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post #61 of 1608
11/5/07 at 12:48pm

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that razor screener that is currently "out" is not the UNCUT version. that's why i'm still waiting =P
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post #62 of 1608
11/5/07 at 11:31pm

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that razor screener that is currently "out" is not the UNCUT version. that's why i'm still waiting =P


Will the uncut version just insert the web episodes or will there actually be other footage?
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post #63 of 1608
11/6/07 at 1:27am

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What will be shown at the Nov. 12 event will be the TV version of “Razor,” which is around 84 minutes long. A 101-minute version of the film, which will be released on DVD on Dec. 4. “Battlestar Galactica” co-executive producer Michael Taylor, who wrote “Razor,” shared some details on what will be on the DVD version. (Extremely mild spoilers ahead. What is below does not give away any plot points about "Razor.")

UPDATE Oct. 26: Sci Fi's press release about the "Razor" screenings is at the end up this item. Click below and scroll down to see it.

* Scenes involving “Young Helena Cain,” “Little Lucy Cain” and “Helena’s Father” were trimmed from the TV version. I noticed those names in the credits of the version of “Razor” that Sci Fi sent out and wondered if I had blinked and missed those characters. I didn’t – they’re only in the extended cut.
* On the DVD, there will also be a scene of Cain’s aide, Kendra Shaw (Stephanie Jacobsen) on Caprica.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....-mov.html#more
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post #64 of 1608
11/7/07 at 1:13pm

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Cool article- thanks for posting. Now, I will definitely be purchasing the Razor DVD ...
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post #65 of 1608
11/7/07 at 6:06pm

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So, Stephanie is from Hong Kong. Judging by her accent I thought she was from New Zealand.
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post #66 of 1608
11/7/07 at 7:37pm

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Here is an interview with Ronald D. Moore from the picket line on how the strke is affecting the production of the final season:

http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html
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post #67 of 1608
11/8/07 at 9:22am

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Originally Posted by Kevin Hewell
So, Stephanie is from Hong Kong. Judging by her accent I thought she was from New Zealand.
All IMDB says is she was born in Hong Kong. However, given that she has appeared in an unspecified number of episodes of Home & Away, an Australian TV show (a soap, I think -- other alums include Naomi Watts and Heath Ledger), I'd guess she emigrated to Australia (or New Zealand) as a child and has worked as an actress Down Under for a while.
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post #68 of 1608
11/8/07 at 10:45am

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either way she's hot! she actually looks like an acquaintance i know of. she looks mixed.
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post #69 of 1608
11/8/07 at 11:47am

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yeah, she's definitely a hybrid.
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post #70 of 1608
11/8/07 at 9:16pm

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nice bar line
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post #71 of 1608
11/9/07 at 3:15pm

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From the IGN.com article linked above:

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There had been varying talk about just how many episodes Battlestar had completed of its 20 episode final season, but Moore told me the episode filming now "happens to be our mid-season cliffhanger, so it's just one of the quirks of the schedule that boom, we will finish our first ten and the network had planned to show just the first ten anyway. The airdate for the back ten was up in the air. Now it's even more up in the air."

Looks like we're going to get a split season whether we like or not.
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post #72 of 1608
11/12/07 at 6:13am

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It'll bum me out, but I don't especially care if the season gets split up - not if it also may mean we get a better product at the end.

It does bum me out that the season 3 set hadn't hit by now, however, I couldn't wait so I did the amazon.com unbox thing. I also wonder in light of he strike stuff if the webisodes of Resistance will make it into the set or not. Considering all the delays in both the premiere of season 4 and the release of season 3's set for around April, it seems to me the production and the studios may have planned for the strike among other things.
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post #73 of 1608
11/12/07 at 4:21pm

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Originally Posted by Binkleywalker
It'll bum me out, but I don't especially care if the season gets split up - not if it also may mean we get a better product at the end.

Agreed. That's what I'm telling myself at least!

These may be old news for you guys who have seen the actual Razor, but did ya'll catch the latest webisode? Do you think the people who are trapped are somehow significant characters? I was trying to figure out who they were as there's been some speculation....
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post #74 of 1608
11/12/07 at 10:07pm

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Just got back from seeing "Razor" on the big screen. Without spoiling anything, what an amazing experience. It wasn't DLP quality (they used the projecter they use for the Twenty and live concerts), but it was high-def on a huge screen. One thing I never expected was how much a captive audience adds to the experience. It was a geek audience, so everyone was on their best behavior. People laughed and cheered and were respectfully silent at all of the right places. Certain lines played much better than they would have had I been watching it alone. Chronologically, it's slotted late in Season Two. This threw me off at first, but it ultimately greatly enhances the production: I never felt like the show properly recovered from New Caprica, so it was nice seeing our classic characters acting the way we loved for the first two seasons. It does a nice job of taking the loose ends of the sloppy post-Cain arc on the show and begin to make sense of them. The new main character, who is shoehorned into the continuity, is extraordinarily well-executed. The way she was scripted signified to me a recognition by the producers that they couldn't coast on our loyalties anymore. They had to earn our investment. By the end of the hour and half or so, I was as equally invested in her as I was in our ensuing characters. The time spent developing her character didn't try my patience like you might expect because every scene with her in it contributes to fleshing out important moments of the story we've already invested in. No scene with her in it exists for its own sake.

I'm going to take it into spoiler territory from here. The first few comments are general musings that only people going into the thing cold would want to avoid. I'll make it clear when I start in on the real nitty gritty spoilers (and there ARE some doozies.)
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I thought I enjoyed Katee Sackoff's role as Sarah Corvis on "Bionic Woman" because she shone so brightly compared to everything else on that show. Starbuck's role in "Razor" proves me absolutely wrong. Corvis is a complete dud compared to Starbuck. This is pre-New Caprica Starbuck: snarky, funny, feisty, brave with a bottle in one hand and a mouth seemingly frozen in that reckless smile. This is the Starbuck that enjoyed being who she was, with the demons relatively held at bay. This is the Starbuck that was FUN.

The portrayal of Apollo as commander was handled much better than it was at season two. There are moments that really make you believe it him as a leader, and pulled out of the context of constant interaction with the top dogs he's not nearly so whiney. For his subordinates, he's the model of composure, and when called to he makes some really tough calls. If the writers were as unhappy as I was with their handling of Apollo during the arc this is wedged in, the time to look back and reevaluate has done wonders.

After seeing this, I think part of why Season One was so strong was that they had plenty of lead time to look back and see what worked and what didn't in the miniseries. The show certainly hasn't been this confident in ages.

BIG spoilers ahead, highlight to read:
There are some big doozies here. First, while not a spoiler to those who've watched the flashbacks (many of which are included here), is the extensive use of the original series Cylons and raiders. The old school toasters even talk using the original voice from the old series. Half the audience cheered when one model let out an (in)famous "By your command."

The second is the introduction of the Missing Link between the Centurions and the 12 human models. He is old and much like the hybrids that pilot the basestars, except he is coherent and awake and he appears to know everything. His revelations would have had huge ramifications on season 2.5 if Kendra had been able to broadcast out before the ship was nuked. Starbuck is the harbinger of the apocalypse, destined to doom the human race. That is why she was so favored by Leoben. It paints the final season of the Season 3 finale in an entirely different light, ominous rather than celebratory.

There is a scene where Pegasus encounters a civilian fleet. Kendra and Col. Fisk step aboard the first ship and demand parts and selected crew members. When the passengers refuse, Cain orders them to kill the families of anyone on the list of draftees who fails to consent. Of course the ship is full of children of varying ages. At the front of the pack is a young blonde girl, somewhere between 11 and 13, strongly hinted to be future deck chief Peter Laird's daughter. As things grew more ominous, I was struck by how different Cain's priorities were from Roslin/Adama's. Here was a girl on the cusp of her reproductive prime who, social conditions permitting, could be pumping out babies for two or three decades or more. From Roslin/Adama's perspective, she would perhaps be the most valuable person on board that ship. From Cain's perspective she was a disposable bargaining chip, to be left to die if not outright killed. Really speaks to the differences in their philsophies.
Great, great experience. Waiting until March is going to be harder than ever.
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post #75 of 1608
11/13/07 at 6:55am

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Thanks for your thoughts Adam. Was this the cut that will be on TV, or is it the extended DVD?
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post #76 of 1608
11/13/07 at 8:51am

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I may skip the TV airing and be content with the extended cut on DVD when it comes.

I think that idea, generally speaking, has to do with how TV on DVD spoils me. Besides, I'd much rather watch what was intended and without commercials rather than something that is butchered to fit a TV time slot.
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post #77 of 1608
11/13/07 at 12:12pm

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I went to the showing in Chicago and. . . Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
it was indeed a pleasant suprise to see the old style cylons and raiders. I hadn't seen any of the ahoer vids on sci-fi.com prior. I will go back and watch them later. It was nice to be back in the pre-caprica universe for a couple of hours. I agree with Adam regarding Kara Thrace. . . so much better and fun in this era. . .". . . because the mother-fracker keeps trying to get me killed." The expansion of Admiral Cain still doesn't shed any more understanding on my part of her character's actions. Adama's nonjudgemental attitude at the end is in stark contrast to my very negative view of her choices. I liked the character development of the XO and the fight within her of respect and revulsion of admiral cain and what it turned her into. "I am Admiral Cain's legacy." So true and so tragic. In the end she goes out a hero, unlike Ensign Ro. Incidentally, Admiral Cain's relationship with the Cylon makes her actions even more cold and brutal. Wow. She is no one to cross. I too liked the portayal of Lee Adama as a strong leader. I found his willingness to order Thrace to her death in juxtoposition to his desparation to save her in the episode early in season 1 in which she flew the cylon raider back to the Galactice . . . intriguing. This was even moreso the case, given the consistency of Husker's response.
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post #78 of 1608
11/13/07 at 4:38pm

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Originally Posted by RickER
Thanks for your thoughts Adam. Was this the cut that will be on TV, or is it the extended DVD?
I think it must have been the TV cut, because it only featured ~half the flashbacks we've seen so far. Supposedly the DVD cut will have a large section on Cain's childhood that was not present here. Personally, I'm not sure how well that will fit because the TV cut is entirely from the title character's point of view.
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I think that idea, generally speaking, has to do with how TV on DVD spoils me. Besides, I'd much rather watch what was intended and without commercials rather than something that is butchered to fit a TV time slot.
One thing that surprised me, other than the intermission with commercials (which luckily came right as my bladder was about to explode) was that there are clearly moments scattered throughout where the moves "goes to commercial". It'll be interesting to see if they edit those out for the DVD cut.
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I went to the showing in Chicago and. . . Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The expansion of Admiral Cain still doesn't shed any more understanding on my part of her character's actions.
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One thing that the early scenes make clear is that she was ALWAYS a hard ass, but until the colonies were annilihated she wasn't a complete monster. I think the betrayal of having Gina be a Cylon factored into her decision making later on: she HAD to be inhuman to lead her crew to survival. It's an interesting "What if" to see if she would have killed off the civilian families if Gina had not been a Cylon.
Further spoilered response to John's post below: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Adama's nonjudgemental attitude at the end is in stark contrast to my very negative view of her choices.
Adama has always been nonjudgmental when it comes to the decisions of other leaders. He knows the pressures of being in control because they weigh so heavily on them. Even as much as he doesn't agree with Cain's decisionmaking, the only proof that he needed that the course she plotted for her crew was valid came from the sheer fact that her crew made it through alive. That's worth a lot.
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I liked the character development of the XO and the fight within her of respect and revulsion of admiral cain and what it turned her into. "I am Admiral Cain's legacy." So true and so tragic.
Definitely the best character arc self contained in one double length episode. She earned her place in the show's continuity.
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I found his willingness to order Thrace to her death in juxtoposition to his desparation to save her in the episode early in season 1 in which she flew the cylon raider back to the Galactice . . . intriguing.
It highlights, I think the difference between being a soldier and being a leader. Leaders shouldn't have the luxury of making reckless decisions out of passion. William Adama is unique in that he's brilliant enough to get away with acting on his passions. I think his decision here fits in perfectly with his argument to leave the New Caprica settlers behind in the third season premiere.
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post #79 of 1608
11/14/07 at 1:19am

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Sorry to quote from a spoiler but I don't think this is spoiler-ey.

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William Adama is unique in that he's brilliant enough to get away with acting on his passions.

And he's lucky enough to have President Roslin to temper them.
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post #80 of 1608
11/14/07 at 9:38am

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Adama has always been nonjudgmental when it comes to the decisions of other leaders


. . . not Baltar.
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post #81 of 1608
11/14/07 at 10:32am

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i think i'll end up buying it, but only watching it after all season4/5 eps have all come out. i just can't wait =P. i'll save up
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post #82 of 1608
11/14/07 at 10:30pm

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Originally Posted by myrthin
. . . not Baltar.
Oh, no? He stood by while Baltar basically tore his military apart brick by brick. He watched Baltar take humanity in a direction that he felt confident would lead to their probable destruction, because he recognized the legitimacy of Baltar's presidency. He was judgmental only AFTER the Cylons took over New Caprica. He was hesitant to judge Cain because her decisions had allowed her crew made it through alive. The same cannot be said of Baltar's decisions. They put the entire species at risk.
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post #83 of 1608
11/15/07 at 1:10am

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True, but at gun point. After what happened, I wouldn't call anything Baltar did after that first year leading.
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post #84 of 1608
11/15/07 at 4:32am

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Whoever they hired to play young Bill Adama is just perfect casting.
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post #85 of 1608
11/15/07 at 6:04am

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I'm loving the webisodes as well. Looks like a pitch for another show when this one is done kinda. One can dream anyway
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post #86 of 1608
11/15/07 at 12:58pm

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True, but at gun point. After what happened, I wouldn't call anything Baltar did after that first year leading.
I wasn't talking about anything after that first year. The extraordinarily poor decision making of Baltar's between the election and the end of that first year is what allowed him to be held at gunpoint. Had Baltar not dug his head in the sand with New Caprica while the military crumbled to a barebones force, the Cylons never could have taken control.
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post #87 of 1608
11/15/07 at 1:36pm

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I see your point, there was plenty of time for people to get to know him and hate him if they didn't already. This is what makes me relish him more in the first two seasons slightly more - he acts on his intellect and survival instincts more whereas once he's in office, he can't hide. Physically maybe, but not his policies.
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post #88 of 1608
11/15/07 at 2:53pm

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I'm loving the webisodes as well. Looks like a pitch for another show when this one is done kinda. One can dream anyway

Totally. Last one is up tomorrow - I'm actually gonna miss them....
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post #89 of 1608
11/23/07 at 1:53pm

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Definitely, the unrated extended edition of Battlestar Galactica: Razor is a treat. It develops the plot even more than what you sill see in the broadcast version. So far I see three scenes not in the minisodes - one is from a ten month flashback and the others are part of the framing story- (part of the extended cut) and stuff from at least three of the flashback minisodes that aren't in the extended cut. Fear not because the minisodes and two deleted scenes are included on the DVD. I loved Razor. Enjoy the broadcast version, but the DVD is worth buying.

For more thoughts, read my review of the DVD (a few spoilers are present- be warned):
http://enterline2.tripod.com/bsg_razor.html
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post #90 of 1608
11/23/07 at 2:59pm

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I just went to setup the DVR to record Razor and according to the EPG it says Battlestar Galactica.

I assume this is the right thing?
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