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oops, i had a brain fart =P. was trying to just name non-major humans.

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Caprica Six died using herself as a human shield to protect Baltar.

In other news:
Jericho's Esai Morales to play Joseph Adama in Battlestar Galactica prequel pilot "Caprica"

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This thing's awesomeness factor just got pumped up another 5,000 street-cred points.

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A human shield from a nuclear blast? Okay, even a Cylon shield against a nuclear blast? I don't see how that is possible.

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Baltar wasn't standing at ground zero -- he was in a house in the country, miles away from whatever the bomb's target was. His house was destroyed by the pressure wave, which isn't necessarily lethal.

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You do realize that the power of a nuclear blast (or any blast) diminishes with distance from the explosion, right? And that unless the entire universe is exploding, there is a point far enough away from the explosion where the damage might resemble that of any bomb. or less, further still. Far enough and one might not even know there was a blast

All it could have taken to kill Six is a piece of glass in the wrong place. Death needn't have rained on that house. While Cylons have been shown to possess superior physical force, there's been no evidence so far that they are any less susceptible to grievious and fatal physical harm than we are.

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Also, Paula Malcomson, Trixie from Deadwood, will be the female lead on the show. Hopefully she'll treat to lines like "5 cubits for a straight frack, 7 cubits for an assfrack."

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We're also taking into account that this is a show about humans and cyborgs flying through the galaxy blowing the hell out of each other. Willfull suspension of disbelief everyone. You gotta have fun with this stuff and not over analyze it.

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Even in outright fantasy, the story needs to have some grounding in reality -- I mean, you can have everyone running around doing magic, but if a woman lets her two year old child play with knives, I'm not going to buy it. Or as G.K. Chesterton once put it, "Tell me that the great Mr. Gladstone, in his last hours, was haunted by the ghost of Parnell, and I will be agnostic about it. But tell me that Mr. Gladstone, when first presented to Queen Victoria, wore his hat in her drawing-room and slapped her on the back and offered her a cigar, and I am not agnostic at all. That is not impossible; it's only incredible. But I'm much more certain it didn't happen than that Parnell's ghost didn't appear; because it violates the laws of the world I do understand."

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No, a human shield from the glass that shattered from the impact wave. As Sean and Holadem noted, his house wasn't at ground zero.

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I completely agree. I guess for the visual impact that the scene offered, I can forgive it's unbelievability. This is Battlestar. I would forgive this show almost anything.

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I hate when that happens.

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Great quote, Sean. Here's another... "Suspension of disbelief is what others should do when discussing something I accept."

I don't think there's a person here who doesn't think a show should make sense in his own mind. I think it was Roger Ebert who used to say he expects any movie to be consistent with the world/rules it creates. My suspension of disbelief completely covers hearing sound in space, and FTL drives. But I think asking how Baltar survived is a legitimate question. I've accepted the show just fine even with questions like that, but it isn't suspension of disbelief that covers it for me, it's artistic license (not everything will be explained, and some of what is won't be 100% accurate).

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It's a legitimate question but it has a legitimate answer.

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Until we see wreckage of Baltar's house on the lake, I am of the opinion that the shockwave merely blew out the glass and tossed around the smaller objects in his place. In that scenario, It's pretty believable that Six could shield Baltar from said class and small objects.

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Yeah. People laugh at those 1950's duck and cover educational films but I'm pretty sure the idea behind that was to avoid glass blowing out or other dangerous objects flying at you (rather than that getting under a desk was going to save you from being at the center of a nuclear detonation).

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This conversation has gone pretty far about a scene from a mini series that aired how many years ago? Just goes to show you how this series has gripped all of us for its excellence and the few missteps along the way.

I agree with the artistic license here. The miniseries was all about showing the absolute devastation and humongous scale of the cylon attack, from the air and ground. Baltar was far away. IIRC, after the windows blew in, the camera cut to somewhere else and we were left to wonder whether the unknowing villain, vain Baltar had perished. It was a surprise to see him in the crowd vying for a seat on Boomer's raptor and then Helo giving up his seat so that the human genius could hope to live. If I also remember correctly, Baltar looked out the window of the rising raptor and saw Six in the crowd. At that point, we were left to wonder if she had somehow survived the blast as well or if it was his first viewing of "head Six." We each must decide if we like a scene or find it inconsistent with the rules set by the writers. Even if you don't like the outcome, it was a good looking scene and you can understand why they showed it that way.

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Also, Baltar's house is far enough away that between seeing the flashpoint of the nuke and the house being destroyed, he and Six were able to have a short conversation about Six being downloaded.
Yeah, it was from the mini, which was 5 years ago, but it's also in the opening credits every week...

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DVR ... I never see the opening credits.

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You never actually *see* the house destroyed. You simply see a shockwave hit the house, you hear glass shatter, and you see what could be a large piece of glass fly "towards" the camera, and then the scene cuts to a space-view of Caprica. As we saw from many of the Caprica shots with Helo on the ground, it seems windows and people were the main casualties

Thus, it's indeed quite believable that Six could "shield" Baltar, at least it is to me...

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Awesome episode, IMO. I really loved the scenes with Roslin.

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I've really enjoyed the last two episodes and it looks they've got the plots moving now.

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Yes, the power decreases by an inverse cube of the distance.

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Finally an episode that moves the story arc forward. First good one of Season 4.

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Poor Gaeta. I hope he can keep the leg.

There were so many good scenes. On a purely geeky superficial level, I loved when the wounded baseship appeared right over Starbuck's ship.

I have to watch again to get much more of what they were trying to say here.

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Add me to the chorus!!

This was a tremendous episode! The most compelling of the season so far, and the best overall effort since RAZOR.

If they can keep this kind of "forward momentum" going over the course of the last 14 eps, then this last season has a chance to fulfill the promise of excellence established by the first two seasons and RAZOR.

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Wow. Some really intense stuff. I just loved the way Anders thought about sticking his hand into the water to communicate with the hybrid, just as the other Cylons do, but couldn't do it (or perhaps more accurately, he was about to but got interrupted?)

Then when Six and Eight figure that the hybrid's message is that D'Anna can identify the Final Five, who can lead them to Earth, as they run off to unbox her Anders is thinking and worrying about the fact that he'll be unmasked soon.

Also intense: that the particular Six couldn't get past the fact that the ex-resistance fighter had once killed her, exacted her own revenge, then herself was executed by Natalie for it. Whew.

And now a basestar shows up. I'm assuming the Demetrius will jump first to the fleet and tell them what's following behind. Otherwise there will be some seriously jumpy people in CIC...

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A part of me was wondering if that was show for the humans and then I remembered that there was no Resurrection Ship.

The Cylon Civil War seems to be wreaking some havoc.

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This was the BSG that I enjoyed in previous seasons. Lots of action and drama and movement in the overall plot. Yay.

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Ron Moore posted his commentary for Episode 4, The Ties That Bind a couple days ago. He comments extensively on the scene where Head Six appears to lift Baltar off the ground: "I don't think I really anticipated that he was going to be pulled up quite so high. The idea was not to actually have him appear to hover or levitate off the deck [...] I think when they shot it, they certainly went in that direction, and then I saw it in dailies and saw it in the cut and kinda went 'well, it kinda works.' It still goes a little too far; I always wanted to ride the line, where a scene like that, you could potentially believe was either just Baltar himself doing it, or that it could be Six doing it to him and that you could read it either way. That particular scene actually goes a little too far in the direction of Head Six actually doing it to him. I will still rationalize in the show, to me, and for our internal purposes that no one in that scene would think anything other than Baltar himself was doing it. It may not play that way to the audience, but that's how we're going to accept it, that's how the characters in the drama will accept it. They think of it on that level. They think it's a strange moment, they think it's a brave moment, but none of them feels like there was somebody else at play, that there was any other force at play in the scene."
So there you have it... Baltar does appear to hover, it goes over the line of Head Six acting on Baltar, but nobody but the audience saw it. More or less. Or maybe not.
Also, did anyone else catch Baltar quoting "To be or not to be," in last night's ep? As Roslin heads over to Major Kira's bed for the first time, you can hear him saying "I'm talking about when we have shuffled off this mortal coil... the undiscovered country from whose borne no traveler returns."