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Actually, I think it perfectly fits with one possible reading of the Cylon evolution. The Cylons were heavily experimenting with the "human aspect," as seen in the Hybrid scenes during the Husker flashbacks (and Razor), and I think it's perfectly fine to consider they were close to perfecting the lookalike tech. Further, it plays into the notion that "they have a plan," in that they quickly end the first Human-Cylon War, and appear to withdraw, all the while, having placed a few spies in the colonies (Boomer, etc.) who then bide their time for decades, while the plan falls into place.

However, unbeknownst to the Cylons, the Five (or at least four) have also penetrated the colonies. Perhaps they will be the balance to the scale, a relationship that has already had its share of problems, with Sharon and Gina (and Six) having their own glitches.

Maybe that's why Tigh is such a bastard. The colonies are pretty massive, and it's not completely impossible for an old prick to bum around the fleet effectively middle-management, and not have a soul notice that he isn't aging. Perhaps there's something also to be read into in the fact that Adama, Tigh's close friend for years, hasn't noticed anything. Is he too blinded by friendship?

Lots of questions and interesting story-threads, but I don't personally think "Tigh isn't aging" is the so-called mistake or suspension of disbelief a lot of people think it is

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I'm glad everyone is more than a little suspicious of Starbuck's return, and I hope we get a good explanation. The brand-new viper is the weirdest clue, it does seem to me that there may be a third party involved here. Perhaps it's the one the Cylons refer to as "God"?

Baltar's cult seemed fairly plausible to me, all things considered. I'm definitely curious to see where that storyline is headed.

All in all, a good start to the season.

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Sorry to have offended.

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I really need to re-watch the entire series to date, but IIRC, weren't there flashbacks to a young Adama with a young Tigh? So that's something that needs to be addressed, but I would imagine the answer is simply that humaniform Cylons do age, and on 'death by old age' they download back into a new body which is already a twenty-something adult (by human standards), no different from death by unnatural causes.

Great start to the season I thought.

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There were indeed scenes of a young Tigh early on (first season?). The producers have said that these 4 who were revealed to be Cylons do not function the same way as the 7 we have seen.

When was the Cylon war? 50 years ago? More? Tigh has to be 55 or so on the show, so Cylon technology must have advanced at an early stage for them to have "created" him.

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RDM has said the final five are "fundamentally different" from the other human-form Cylons. I think they are actually the Lords of Kobol and have been around for thousands of years (dating back to at least the time when the temple was constructed on the algae planet).

Thinking they are in any way like Six and the others, or were created in a similar fashion, is, I believe, fundamentally wrong.

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Is it possible they were "body snatched" at some point with their memories transferred to Cylon copies? Though the Lords of Kobol thing sounds cooler.

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IIRC, at the opening of the entire series, they did say that the armistice had been in place for 40 years. Not sure how long they had fought before the armistice, though, so if it had dragged on for 10 years 50 would be right.

But that means both Adama and Tigh must be well over 60, since they had to be at least 20 when fighting in the last days of the 1st Cylon War.

David has an interesting take on it. Might tie in with the fact that Tyrol's father was IIRC a priest of some sorts.

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Besides the "fundamentally different" aspect that has been mentioned already, wasn't the flashback to a *slightly* younger Adama? And didn't Tigh simply have a beard? He certainly didn't really look any younger...

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The flashbacks at the beginning of season 2 chronicle Adama and Tigh's first meeting, which was after the first Cylon war. The biggest issue with Tigh being a Cylon is his military record, which shows he fought in the first Cylon war.
As for whether or not they're doppelgangers that got swapped out on New Capprica, really the only bit of information we have on them is that Tyrol said "We're Cylons, and we have been from the start" at the end of last season. Now, it's not backed up by any other background on them, but it's one of the few scraps we have to go on that isn't pure speculation on the audience's part.

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Is it possible that the four were somehow replaced with cylons on New Caprica during the occupation?

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There is a line in the opening that says the 4 are cylons and one is left to be identified.

I can live with the explanation of the human cylons aging and simply downloading when they want to be young again. Or with them being fundamentally different. As long as it's addressed one way or another.

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here's my take after friday's s4 premiere:

the '77 version of BSG always talked about how our Earth origins came from 'beyond' (outer space) which in of itself isn't totally original. i think this version might pine back towards that thought in that when the 'ragtag fleet' reach earth they'll discover that everyone is a cylon+human hybrid. and that baltar is literally the 2nd coming of Jesus.

and yesh it's been setup either roslin or starbuck is a cylon. i think starbuck was helped by Earthlings to get a glimpse of Earth to point them in the right way. the reason why the old crusty guy in razor said starbuck is doom is because he's speaking from cylon's POINT of view, of course starbuck's truth will bring doom to cylons! cylon's enemy is the humans. i think roslin is a cylon because of the visions and if we continue to follow roslin, THAT is the ultimate doom.

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Ron Moore said in the last Season 3 podcast that they did review the backstories when choosing who the four Cylons would be and that there weren't be any issues with any of the 4. Hopefully he was telling the truth, rather than writing themselves into a corner.

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Isn't Boomer a number 8? Going from memory here. But wouldn't that be strange if one the 7 "original spylon" models is numbered 8?

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Yes, Sharon is an 8, Six is a 6, Doral is a 5, and D'Anna is a 3. The four that were just revealed could be 9, 10, 11, and 12, with the remaining Cylon as number 1, or the numbers could be irrelevant when it comes to identifying who are the remaining Cylons.

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Or maybe the first coming! They may get to Earth and it may be only around the time of his first preaching/popularity.

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what i find funny is that some still have the idea that starbuck will turn out to be the final cylon, Katee has stated numerous times that she is not, Ron Moore himself has stated at times that she is not. she may be the downfall of the human race.

oh and just speculation, the final cylon is the one person that you would never have though of, the one person who always has compassion no matter what. And has not has a episode about them .

They will find earth but i dont thing the will be here, ron has such a good way of mixing up the different mythologies, i have a feeling that this is going to turn into thehole chariots of the gods, hence the craters on the moon is from a war in the stars.

great kick off of the final season, its supposed to get darker , just wish that Sci-Fi would give them 50 min per episode this season, so much story, 42 min just isnt enough.

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Do you mean 78?

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Great season opener, and nice mysteries I hope we find out more about. My favorite thing so far (aside from the fact she's alive and don't know what she represents if not a Cylon), Kara's pristine Viper. Somebody somewhere is up to something and/or is running a kickass workshop for pimping or restoring vintage spacecraft.

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I don't know if this was already discussed, but I have a question about the 4 hour mini series (this thought is more in regards to the final cylon).

Towards the very end of the miniseries movie, there is a scene in which Adama goes into his quarters and picks up a note that states, "There are 12 cylon models". After he reads the note, he walks over to the door and closes it. At that particular moment the only one that knew that particular piece of information was Baltar (12 cylon models).

The question is, who left that note for Adama, and why didn't he react to that tidbit of information?

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Ron Moore has said in an interview that it was Baltar who left the note. It's hardly canon, but it's something. It would make sense, as it would allow Baltar to help out with the little bit of information he is privy to without having to tell anyone what his role in the attacks was.

The other bit from the mini that scares me about the final Cylon is that Boxey wears a red shirt for the whole thing. In the mini, only the Cylons and Baltar wear red. Scary.

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Mark,

Thanks for the reply. Was there any mention in the interview as to why Adama did not react to the note (or why he did not question Baltar as to how he knew that there are 12 models)? To me, knowing that little bit of information goes a long way at implicating yourself (Baltar). Baltar came across (at least in the first season) as one who would not provide that information for fear of being implicated as an accomplice.

It just seems that something just doesn't add up. Meaning, if Adama knew that Baltar left him the note why wasn't Baltar interrogated as to how he ascertained that information? At that point in the story only Doral was implicated by Baltar (to which Doral was left at the armory) based on synthetic features (a lie at the time). So, there were no cylons to interrogate (to their knowledge) at this stage of the story.

Should this just be chalked up as a plot hole, or could there be more meaning to this?

I am just curious since I only watch the show, and have not seen any interviews and such.

Thanks again, Mark.

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A tidbit from today's Washington Post TV column about last Friday's episode:

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Baltar didn't give Adama the note, he left it in Adama's quarters without Adama knowing it.

This is from the TVWeek Blog, covering a press event recently:

"One plot point that may or may not be resolved on camera is, at the end of the miniseries, who left the note for Adama telling him there are 12 Cylons? Don't despair, though, as Moore said he's always considered it to be Baltar who left the note. Moore described it in the context of the adjacent scene in which Six and Baltar are walking down a corridor and Baltar is contemplating his guilt about playing a part in the human genocide. He expresses a desire to do something good, hence the note."

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how does SF tally up the numbers? nelson? is that even relevant? i dunno any women who watched SF in general .

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My pick for leaving the note was Baltar too. The only other candidates for it wouldn't make too much sense: Boomer, or any other Cylon over the years who we knew to be in the fleet such as the second Doral (who blew himself up), the second Leobon, or the six copy in Shelley.

The only thing from the miniseries I don't think Moore said they'd address: Who was Caprica Six talking to (Six: "It's about time.") on Caprica?

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There's another mystery from early in the series that's still up in the air: Who wrote "Cylon" on Boomer's mirror? One of the recap specials apparently said it was other pilots who suspected her, but that seems really bizarre... If they suspected her, why not confront her or report her to the powers that be?