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post #181 of 1608

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I've spent the past January and February catching up with the show, so now the week-long intervals between episodes is going to be a rough stretch to wait through.

They are feinting too much for Kara to be a cylon, so she's been run through the ringer, but is still human.

Did anyone hear Sam gulp when Kara said that she's shoot him between the eyes if he turned out to a cylon? Funny stuff.

Baltar's barber lady is kinda hot, and is my new action hero. That Baltar altar was too funny.

Has Edward Olmos always worn blue-colored contact lenses?

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post #182 of 1608

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Has Edward Olmos always worn blue-colored contact lenses?

Yup. From what I remember, Olmos wears contacts, and Jamie Barber dies his hair slightly darker, so they look more like Father and Son.
post #183 of 1608

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Gotta anglo-fy the good admiral...

I enjoyed the episode quite a bit. It wasn't the visceral gut effect the best episodes give me, but nor was it that meandering feeling of a show that doesn't know where it's going like the worst episodes have been. The writing felt rock solid again.

I'll probably go through it again tomorrow or Sunday and write-up my blurb, but I wanted to just enjoy it tonight.
post #184 of 1608

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I always enjoy your thoughts Adam. Looking forward to more. As for myself, i am glad this is the last season, that will give the show focus again. For me last season almost jumped the shark with the boxing episode, and for a few episodes after that, it wasnt much better.
post #185 of 1608

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Definitely a setup episode for the season. Hope the Starbuck mystery is resolved quickly and doesn't drag out all season.
post #186 of 1608

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I thought it was a good return for the show. After a year off the air, it needs some setup, which is what this was.

Agree that the implications that Kara is a Cylon are too obvious, so it can't be her. I think the moments I enjoyed most were Tigh's tortured looks, and his comments about fighting the Cylons. He's not going to accept that he is one.

Glad the show is back, albeit only for 9 more weeks. Read an interview with RDM who said it hasn't been resolved yet whether the last half of the season would air in the fall or in 2009.
post #187 of 1608

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Fall, fall, let it be fall! A year is to long to go. How can a show keep its fans around, and keep it in the public eye if they go a year! And with only 10 episodes!
post #188 of 1608

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That was some fun stuff last night. I can't believe how far the special effects guys have come in 3 seasons so far. It has always been good but their shots are more and more creative, tense and downright cool. That opening battle was no different than any other furball the ship has been in but they still find ways to make it more and more exciting.

This was a great set up episode and did some things right that had been missing in some of season 3. It is still a drama, no doubt about it. But instead of getting totally mired in the drama they had a bit more fun with some of the moments. Baltar was still creepy on one level and devious on another but it is fun to see him not taking this situation too seriously (so far, anyway). I am sure the events at the end of the episode will change that but I love his faux savior. He is best when he mixes his neurotic impulses with his absolute need to always survive...though his last scenes challenge that. I know they will get "deeper" with his new role but I hope he continues to wink a bit back to us from time to time.
Kara's threat to Sam was funny, too. A nice little moment in what will likely not end well for her. It's going to get ugly, I can guess.

Is what is being implied that there is essentially a third faction in all of this? Kara may not be a Cylon (since they are making it so obvious that she MUST be!) she is clearly not Kara. She died and returned in an impossible way. She might be, as she posited, a clone with new memories. Maybe that is a cylon? But she isn't the last of the 12, my guess. Her role is that of harbinger of doom (re-watched Razor just prior to this episode) and the old dude in the tub noted Kara was going to lead them the wrong way.

Clearly the Cylons want to get to earth, too. This is why Sam prompted them, if unintentionally, to back off. They follow what is working so far, namely Roslin's plan. Kara wants to pull them somewhere else. So it is unlikely she is a Cylon plant, or at least not one of the 7 Cylons. I have a strong feeling that the needs and plans of the new 4 (soon 5) Cylons don't match up with the others, thus their "shunning" and forced forgetfulness. I hope so. Always fun to throw in a new party.

Spot on start to the season. BSG has always had great finales and kick offs. With their being 10 episode mini-seasons, I hope this new focus pays off in a tightly plotted 10 weeks.
post #189 of 1608

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I thought it was a great start to the season. It's going to be a long wait until next Friday night.
post #190 of 1608

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The gender ratios in the cult were funny.

Having terminated my paid TV service, I'm glad SciFi put this up to stream so quickly after the premiere.
post #191 of 1608

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Originally Posted by Cameron Yee
The gender ratios in the cult were funny.

Having terminated my paid TV service, I'm glad SciFi put this up to stream so quickly after the premiere.

Yeah, I noticed right away that the cult was made up of quite a few young, attractive women.

Fantastic episode. It annoys me to no end that we may have to wait another year to get the final answers. We'll get some in the first half but it's going to hard to wait for the rest. Let's hope they do, in fact, broadcast in the fall of 08.

Personally, I'm still having a hard time accepting the final 4 cylons. I want a plausible explanation on how it came about beyond 'they have a plan'.
post #192 of 1608

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
Gotta anglo-fy the good admiral...


Not at all, actually. From what I recall, it was just something Olmos and Barber thought of themselves, as a little something extra to do to make them appear more like family. Olmos didn't think he could dye his hair and make it look anything other than silly, so Barber dyed his. So Olmos tossed on some coloured contacts to complete his side of the bargain.
post #193 of 1608

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That was some fun stuff last night. I can't believe how far the special effects guys have come in 3 seasons so far.
Yeah, that was an intense battle sequence. I hope the writing can stay this focused throughout the entire two-and-a-half-year season.

So did the Cylons flip a switch in Anders? Or did they just get information from Anders that made them decide to take a follow-from-a-distance rather than a kill-'em-all approach?

And which of the four sleepers will finally confess to Adama? I don't think it will be Tigh. He's too insecure and too accustomed to denial. And Tyrol is too confident in his ability to resist switch-flipping, I think. I would have guessed Anders, but now he's too scared of Kara to say anything.
post #194 of 1608

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I think Tyrol will be the first to out himself or Tigh. Tigh for duty and Tyrol for guilt. And duty. I think their loyalty to Adama will make it happen, vs. Sam and whatshername who have little to no connection with him.

I don't think the Four are a part of the plan. In fact, it really is looking like this has come out of the blue for them. The facts are that when the Raider noticed Sam, the entire mission was scrapped and when pressed, Caprica Six noted that they are programmed to FORGET about them. If that was part of their plan...to seed them and then forget about them...that is weak.

IIRC, the Seven don't like to talk about the Five and made it known that there was some bad blood between them at one time. I even thought that they were, like Xena-bot, defectors who needed their "Line" shut down. Maybe they were early models in the hybrid experiment? Maybe they made them too close to humanity to the point that they didn't see the need to go blasting their parents into dust? Whatever it is, in my opinion they are spoilers and not spies.
post #195 of 1608

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I thought this episode was a very good start to the season... except Baltar's cult. I can accept a couple of women being crazy enough to see Baltar as some type of savior but 20 or 30 of them? I'm sure they're going to play a part in Baltar trying to make some amends for the awful things that he's done but the whole cult just seems ridiculous to me.

Other than that, I thought the episode was quite good.
post #196 of 1608

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I can accept a couple of women being crazy enough to see Baltar as some type of savior but 20 or 30 of them? I'm sure they're going to play a part in Baltar trying to make some amends for the awful things that he's done but the whole cult just seems ridiculous to me.
When is a personality cult NOT ridiculous?
post #197 of 1608

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True but what's Baltar done to win his cult? He seems as surprised as me to see that many people.
post #198 of 1608

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Well, it clearly wasn't part of any plans he had, but I think it makes sense in terms of who he was pre-invasion (rock star scientist) and what has happened to him since, particularly the high profile trial and the manifestos he had smuggled out. People are struggling to survive, looking for answers and I'm sure for some it seems like their gods have abandoned them. If Baltar's manifestos captured any of those feelings, it makes sense that people would latch on to him. Maybe not all are believers to the extent of the leader; I'm sure there are some there who are just intrigued and hungry for answers.

Maybe if Baltar were played by Tricia Helfer it would be more believable?
post #199 of 1608

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Originally Posted by Cameron Yee
Maybe if Baltar were played by Tricia Helfer it would be more believable?
Hell, I'd join up then.
post #200 of 1608

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Me too.
post #201 of 1608

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Interesting how they made Baltar and his cult almost Jesus-like.

Pretty good start to the season. But I remain disappointed that there is, IMHO, too much emphasis in this show in general on, "who are the hidden Cylons". It's like an over-used plot device that's gotten old. It would have been better to have only had 1 or 2 Cylon plants throughout the entire run and found something more interesting to tell a story with. I mean Tigh, from all we know, the development of Cylons that appear human in all respects, so much so that a regular medical exam can't tell the difference, only happened sometime well into Tigh's lifetime. Now we're supposed to believe they were able to plant such a Cylon back when Tigh was born, more than 40 years earlier, since he "served the fleet for 40 years"?
post #202 of 1608

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Now we're supposed to believe they were able to plant such a Cylon back when Tigh was born, more than 40 years earlier, since he "served the fleet for 40 years"?

Well, the "Husker" webisodes, along with Razor flashbacks essnetially revealed that back when the Admiral was a nugget, the Cylons were working on the hybrid technology. It's not a stretch to think the human-models were at similar (or further) stages of development.

If anything, it also opens up the possibilty that Tigh and the other 4 (of the 5) retreated into humanity, literally, escaping the other Cylons and their plans for human extinction. In fact, having the human models essentially kicking around for decades opens up a slew of intriguing story possibilities - I'm looking forward to seeing how it works itself out!
post #203 of 1608

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My full thoughts on the episode are at my blog as --Shut the door.--. I won't reprint them in their entirety here, as there's some stuff which may run afoul of the forum's content rules and also the rules regarding spoilers appearing in previews for next week's episode, but here's a bit of it:

About Anders turning the Cylon fleet away:

Since we no longer have the Cylon point of view, this is a bit of a puzzler. Is it a command Anders unwittingly sent the Raider? Is it that the Raider recognized him as a Cylon, and, like the Centurions, was programmed never attack a human-form Cylon? If so, then is it only since Anders and the rest have been activated that this has been possible? Anders has confronted many Centurions in the past without similar results, though Caprica Six did kill a Number Three on Caprica in order to protect him... perhaps it was some subconscious programming that made Six protect him, beyond her moral objections.

Also, there's a certain amount of irony in Roslin claiming that he visions are sent by the Gods to guide them to Earth, but Kara's photographs of Earth and her insistence on following the path she took are "a trick."

Anyone else catch that Baltar's attacker was Connor, one of the members of the circle who were executing collaborators at the beginning of season 3?

As for what the Cylons know of the Final Five, Caprica Six says that they're programmed not to think about them. If that's the case, who did the programming? What kind of programming is it? Is it what we humans refer to as brainwashing? Certainly it's not very effective programming, as Number Three spent a great deal of time thinking about them.
post #204 of 1608

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I think what C-Six was trying to get at was that thinking about them in any detail is hard, apparently by design - whenever they try to focus on what the other five look like or might have done, their brains go on another track, like something has distracted them. In a way, it makes the boxing of the Three model make a little more sense: The monomania required to get past that might seem like a form of mental illness to the Cylons.
post #205 of 1608

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Also, there's a certain amount of irony in Roslin claiming that he visions are sent by the Gods to guide them to Earth, but Kara's photographs of Earth and her insistence on following the path she took are "a trick."

I normally love Roslin but that really pissed me off.

That was one kick-ass battle at the beginning.
post #206 of 1608

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Well, it's pretty much in keeping with her character. She always knows what's best for the fleet. In the first season she suborned mutiny by having Kara steal the captured raider, she tried to rig the election in season 2, kidnapped Athena and Helo's baby, thus delivering it to the Cylons. She's something of a control freak, and Kara is a threat to her because she's been to Earth.
post #207 of 1608

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As for what the Cylons know of the Final Five, Caprica Six says that they're programmed not to think about them. If that's the case, who did the programming? What kind of programming is it? Is it what we humans refer to as brainwashing? Certainly it's not very effective programming, as Number Three spent a great deal of time thinking about them.

Actually, it was HIGHLY effective, if you ask me. Unless the other models are also actively pursuing the identity of the "5," and it's being done off-screen, then to only have single model get off track after decades of "life," that's pretty good programming. Further, it would seem that it's only a recent occurance in the number 3 model anyway. Once the baby was confirmed, only one of the Ginas got off-track - it's not like the entire line decided one day to start going hay-wire. They were all boxed, however, to prevent that from happening.
post #208 of 1608

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Is it possible that the 4 (or 5) had brainwashed themselves to not 'activate' until something specific happened? If they are the Cylon progenitors, and they could brainwash or program the other 7 to not think of them, it's certainly possible they could put themselves in the deepest of covers by erasing their own identities until a trigger moment.

I don't know what their plan is, but a plan like this would assure them the deepest and most truthful study of human life. And, now that they are 'triggered' and know themselves, the Cylon who scanned Anders got a signal and withdrew. Certainly, next week we should see the 7 and get their take. They now know that the 4 (or 5) are on Galactica. Sorta changes the whole game...
post #209 of 1608

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(erm.. prolly NSFW for most people)

Nice pic but "prolly" is not a word.
post #210 of 1608

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I'm still waiting for some sort of explanation about Tigh being a cylon. His whereabouts have been tracked by the military for 40 years. I suppose it's possible the cylons had the human lookalike technology that long, but it seems in conflict with what was suggested about cylon evolution. Also, from what we know the cylons don't age. They are "born" as adults and everyone we've seen looks the same. Maybe they do age, but download whenever they want a younger body again. But Tigh certainly couldn't live a "Highlander" existence in the military for 40 years without someone noticing.

I thought the season started off well. The battle was excellent. And finally HD! Though I had to watch the midnight broadcast as my dvr was set to record the SD channel from last year.
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