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i have had the same thought...

the only thing that i could come up with is that they plan to use him in some upcoming project. be it caprica, some movie/mini series that have been discussed or whatever else.....

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Except I believe that, when the fleet reached the "first earth"....the nuked one...you could see one or more continents from orbit (australia maybe?) which is why I get the feeling that they developed the second earth storyline after the end of season 4.0.

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I know some people said you could see Australia, but do American viewers really know the edges of Australia by heart?

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The things BSG did well, it did extremely well. For two seasons, it really was the best drama on television.

I thoroughly enjoyed the finale, but I don't think it would hold up to multiple viewings for me. As much as I enjoyed BSG, ultimately, the use of the Deus Ex Machina -- in this case, the literal hand of God(s) intervening to sort things out for the characters -- is just too much for me. I appreciate the character drama of the final episodes, but, really, would this ending have passed the Laugh Test in film school?

I know that there have been a lot of comparisons to "Babylon 5", and I confess a soft spot in my heart for B5 despite the fact that it occasionally couldn't shrug off that "Irwin Allen Cheesiness" that has so plagued US television dramas since the 1960s. But, like BSG, when it was good, it was the best at what it did.

I also think the B5 story is a lot tighter. Moreover, JMS required his characters to work things out for themselves, never giving in to the use of a Deus Ex Machina at the end, despite the fact that there was a fully capable, planet-sized machine that everything in the show literally revolved around.

BSG was some of the best story telling I've seen on television, and I'm glad I watched it. But B5 is what I'll watch repeatedly on DVD.

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This one does.

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I still wonder if Daniel isn't Daniel Greystone, who is being played by Eric Stolz in the Caprica series.

Ron Moore said in interviews that the talk of Daniel's destruction was to show Cavil's ruthlessness.

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No you couldn't. You couldn't see any land masses, only cloud cover.

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This is correct. In fact, if you believe Moore (and there will always be people who cry the "making it up as they go" tripe), the real Earth's landmass was purposefully not shown to the viewers, so that *our* Earth could be found later. The shot of our Earth after Starbuck comes back was part of the trick--we were meant to assume Starbuck/our Earth was the one the fleet found all nuked to hell.

I, for one, trust Moore's word on this, and found the "Earth is a dream" notion oddly resonant.

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So are we to believe that Starbuck visited both earths then?

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The "I've been to Earth. I know where it is, and I'm gonna take us there" was the nuked original Earth, hence the old Viper/Starbuck body. Sometime after she died, Starbuck returned as an "angel." Maybe she visited the "Earth is a dream" Earth, maybe she didn't. It's all up to the viewer, really. Starbuck post-death can be whatever you want her to be

Like I said before, the questions the show left unanswered were mainly those questions that humanity still struggles with today.

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If I recall correctly, in that episode Kara returns and says she's seen Earth yada yada yada and then at the end the camera pulls out from the fleet so that the entire galaxy is in frame and then zooms back in to our Earth. The implication was clearly meant to be that that's the earth Kara visited, but it was never explicitly stated. In other words, a big fat red herring.

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Didn't Kara talk about clear skies and blue oceans and white clouds, when recalling her visit to Earth? And didn't she mention the moon? I'm REALLY paraphrasing out of a poor memory here, so I might be wrong. But it always confused me that when they followed the signal, they went somewhere that didn't have a moon, and didn't look too healthy.

Ron Moore has said in interviews that the "Daniel" storyline was the biggest "debacle" in four seasons of BSG (you're free to disagree, but that's his view). As Sam reported above, Moore intended for the "Daniel" story to show Cavil's pettiness and ruthlessness, nothing more, but fans, not surprisingly, locked onto the story and gave it much greater import than was intended.

If Daniel Greystone is connected to the BSG "Daniel", it will be a retcon maneuver, and considering the timeline of Caprica (the series) we won't see the direct link. Daniel was constructed by the Final Five, after all, wasn't he? (There's always the reliable "hand of God" explanation - if BSG used it to explain its trajectory, why can't Caprica..)

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Link

I feel the same way.

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That's my memory as well.

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And prancing unicorns.

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I really liked the series, but the ending reminded me a bit of the series finale of Roseanne... except instead of none of the last season mattering because she was making everything up in the last season, Starbuck's "angelic" presence turned out to pretty much guarantee safe harbor for the crew, and there never really was anything to worry about.

Oh well. Still a great show.

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Thanks for that link. Too funny.

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Starbuck's a replicant?

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I would say that. The manipulations from the higher power opened the possibility for this to occur, but the odds of the cycle actually being broken were 0.0001 percent. All these characters had free will, and if Tory hadn't murdered Callie, or if Boomer hadn't abducted Hera, or indeed Apollo hadn't suggested ditching all of the technology, none of this would have happened. The three angels (Kara, Head Six and Head Baltar) nudged the characters in various directions either consciously (head Six and Baltar) or unconsciously (Kara).

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Great & funny read!!! Thanks.

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so say we all

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BSG make a list of the top ten worst series finales. Cant say I blame them on the point they make, but still i think they got alot right for the ending in my book.

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They didn't get it. I mean it - that little snippet makes it clear the writer didn't follow the on-screen events (and the fact that he calls them all "Capricans" leads me to believe other aspects of the show eluded his grasp).

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That rant seemed more like a polemic against a particular view of man's origins rather than an astute view of the BG finale. Definitely should be ignored.

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The vast majority of the people who hated the series finale can't stand the idea of religion being real in science fiction. But nothing in the series finale, including the religious elements, came out of the blue. Religion has been integral to the show from the beginning, with prophecy suspiciously on the mark until the midseason finale. The crew got to Earth, and it was a wasteland. The religious angle, previously ambiguous on both sides, seemed to have been proven wrong. It was "dark", which goes over well with a huge chunk of the sci-fi crowd, and restored science to the top of the pile. There were a lot of viewers here and elsewhere (myself included) that felt that was a cheat, however, rendering their entire journey essentially worthless and leaving a cast of characters that have bourne incredible suffering essentially without hope. An ending where everybody got wiped out would have been "edgy" but ultimately hollow.
Regardless of whether you're an atheist or religious believer, the ultimately strong role of religion is appropriate to the universe of this show.

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From the Fox Link:


That's all you need to read to know that they clearly didn't get it. As Adam points out, the show has been about religion from the very start. If anything it stayed true to its history.

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They didn't get Seinfeld either, claiming the finale "suddenly" made the characters reprehensible. They always were. That's why they had that Bizzarro-Seinfeld episode where Elaine met good versions of themselves.

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Not only that, but the finale leaves me thinking that the prophecies of Pythia were simply Pythia's interpretation of what her "head angel" was telling her. In other words, this planet which became "Earth" was the end game all along, even if Pythia didn't realize it.

So, in a way, despite the burning of the scripture, Roslin was 100% right in following the prophecies; they simply didn't turn out to be what she expected.

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I really enjoyed the finale and am amused by all the hand-wringing over plot points that some of us (ahem) called a long time ago.

I would characterize the finale as emotionally satisfying while lacking somewhat in logic. I said a long time ago (on another forum as well as this one) that Starbuck had to be an agent of another power -- there was no way either the Cylons or humans had the ability to resurrect both her and a pristine Viper. Not in the cards. However, I would have liked a little more explanation that what was offered. Again, while I found it emotionally satisfying, when I reflected on it later I did find that aspect of it lacking.

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Liked as in another slice of pie after you've had 3, or liked as in you want the other half of your slice that broke in half as it was being put in your saucer? Because while I agree they didn't spend much time on the Starbuck answer, I also have no clue what else I'd have wanted them to say given the reality of the situation. While I see people complaining about it, I don't see many who didn't get what happened. So if we got what happened, they did their job. If we disagree with what happened, a few more minutes of explanation wouldn't have mattered much.