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Which translates to - we set something up but did not know how to properly resolve it - so we didn`t.

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So after watching the finale (which I mostly enjoyed), the biggest question I have is: are there 2 earths? was the earth they found (that was nuked) really *our* earth or not?

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I'll mention something that I haven't seen mentioned as of yet - Bear McCreary's music for the finale was amazing. Frankly, the music for the series has been amazing from day one but he really hit out of the ballpark here. I want a soundrack...yesterday.

There was one true Earth. The barren wasteland IS Earth in so far as these characters are concerned. When they arrive on this new planet, they simply adopt it as thier "dream" Earth. What they've been chasing since after the fall of Caprica and the colonies.

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That's a nice theory, but didn't the nuked earth look like our earth from space? And didn't they see the remnants of the Brooklyn bridge?

Is it possible that they went to the same planet, but way farther in the past?

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It was our earth Australia was visable. The other could be the same earth destroyed but in the memory banks of cylons a good place not nuked the final 5 saw. The USA was shown when starbuck landed the first time. She would have said it was nuked when she came back. I think it all relative to time and all that jazz. I even thought the old parralel time theory.

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While they blew most of the budget on the first hour, I thought the second hour sort of dragged, all the way to Ron's cameo. I had thought this would be the angle they would end up with as long as they finally ended up on a planet because you knew BSG was toast as a space cattleship, and how long could you rely on current techology if the planet was so far behind on the tech scale. At least they didn't make the 38,000 the seeding population of earth, and perhaps their presence didn't accelerate the tech curve for the human race on this earth. Or maybe not. Now, on the matter of poly-theistic vs. mono-theistic development, perhaps the BSG contingent had a hand in shaping such thoughts and beliefs.

But deep down, do you really believe humans are indigenous to Earth, or not. I guess that would color your enjoyment the BSG finale.

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My take on Kara is that she was working for the same forces that were represented by 'Head Six' and 'Head Baltar'. On borrowed time and with an endpoint in mind. No free lunches (or resurrections) here.

As for the third force at work..I loved the way it was handled. It was defined just enough, especially looking at all of the assistance 'Head Six' rendered to Baltar over the course of the series. (There was more than one occasion where Baltar seemed to grab an idea or piece of knowledge out of thin air...'Hand of God' comes to mind.)

Anyone notice Ronald D. Moore's tendency toward rock-covered graves on hilltops? (Though I think it worked better here than in 'Star Trek Generations')

Also liked the 'I think you overestimate their chances' line. Would've been great if Cavill delivered it...

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Well we BSG fans dating back to 1978 finally have an ending.

Great finale in just about every way, a fitting sendoff for these characters (and that includes the ships). I loved how they used the original show's theme music for the sendoff, and the use of so many old school centurions in the battle. Also loved the tie-in to the opera house shared vision.

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Outstanding.
A very solid ending to a great series.
Bravo.

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I think there were more centurions in this episode than the entirety of the series...

I loved it instantly upon watching it, and even more so now. Structurally, it reminded me of the DS9 finale, but better paced...and far more epic.

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I loved every minute of it. The characters on the show are what mattered, with the thematics a close 2nd. They nailed those, and I'm satisfied. The peripheral stuff - the spiritual, the being that "doesn't like that name [God]", Anders telling Kara he'd "see her on the other side" - all of that is better left ambiguous and up to the viewers, IMO. They don't really matter by comparison. They're interesting side dishes, but they're not the main course.

Favorite moment of mine was Adama getting up from the business "interview" and being honest with himself rather than being honest for the demands of another person.

2nd favorite was how we finally - finally - saw the humanity buried deep into the recesses of Baltar - and that it was really there, all along, under those layers and layers of muck. His line acknowledging his father's/family's past was pitch perfect.

Farewell to a stunning achievement in TV history. Definitely in my top 5 favorite shows of all time.

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More and more character moments keep coming back to me. Roslin and Cottle. Tyrol isolating himself, knowing that he was a man that had been scarred one too many times by a social structure. Saul and Ellen able to go on with life without their crutch of alcohol and larger vanities.

I would have liked one more moment between Adama and Tigh, but we kind of got that a few episodes ago when it was the two of them plus Galactica. In a way, that was their "breakup".

I can't wait to watch it all again with the added knowledge of Cavil's manipulative role in the lives of the Final Five, and the the perspective of knowing that the head characters are real, immortal something-or-others pushing Galactica along towards its destiny.

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Great ending to a great series. I, too, would have liked more resolution to Kara's story, which was set up so long ago. I do recall reading that the actress who plays her wasn't as satisfied with her ending.

Anyone know the significance of 150,000 years?

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Most kind. Thank you. You too I wager.

Sorry to have a contrary opinion.

The last hour was a slapdash of closing off some plot threads and leaving others to the assignment of a higher force(s). The more emotional moments happened in the first hour. The goodbye between Roslyn and the doctor was the most poignant.


No doubt one of the finest series to grace TV. The zenith was passed back in the middle of the third season.

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...And the next day, they were all eaten by lions!
(That'll teach 'em for throwing away their guns )

It was okay. I was impressed how they tied up so many loose plot-threads. However, it was still just a jumble of vignettes. It had more Gods-damn endings than AI. IMO not a patch on the finales to The Shield or The Wire, or genre-buddies DS9 & Farscape...

Still, looking back at the series as a whole, I don't think I really enjoyed an episode since New Caprica... at least, not to the extent that I did certain eps in s1 and s2. So maybe you all enjoyed it so much because you also liked s3 and s4...

Somewhere out there, there are surely a bunch of base ships with Cavils who weren't on the colony. And they're gonna be pissed off. (or wasn't I paying attention again?)

(Please explain how Kara Thrace is the Harbinger of Death? Also, for someone more eagle-eyed than me: I thought all the raptors were destroyed in the mission? How did they find one to send to the rendezvous point?)

Oh, and I hereby dub ISB the true brains behind DS9...

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Despite the fact it was not perfect, I think the final 25 minutes of the finale are among the most poignant TV programming I've seen in years.

In many ways, the ending to Battlestar Galactica is the EXACT opposite of the ending to The Sopranos, because it has something The Sopranos lacked: true closure. It has enough ambiguity that we can argue about it for days on end, but just enough clarity that we're for the most part satisfied how it ended.

Ronald D. Moore, take a bow. You just finished what will go down as one of the truly great TV series of all time.

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I almost have the impression that the Opera House scenes were thought out at the same time and were kept until the end of the show. I had a lot of fun watching the first hour. Exciting and fun story, great acting, production quality etc... I wanted more resolution at the end. Something along the lines of Babylon 5, many questions answered, some questions remains and the future is unknown. A resolution of the mono vs. polytheism line would have been nice. And, "The Angles did it" is bordering on a cop-out. Karas ending worked for me (contradicing myself?) because not all things need to be answered. Having Head Baltar and Head Caprica turn out to be "real" is my biggest gripe. I thought a little maddness was good for the show. The gift of Resurection was handled well. Maybe they got enough information to recreate it, maybe not. And Cavil, just couldn't take it anymore. He chose to kill himself rather than be taken out by others. To me, that is a classic definition of evil, insisting on making the world bend to your will instead of that of a higher power. I can't wait for the enhanced version. Hopefully, everybody is sober.
What a great show.

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Some random thoughts...

First off, I really enjoyed the ending and didn't mind the spiritual highlights. They have basically hinted at the existance of the spiritual the entire series...who knew it was real? I guess my own personal agnosticism clouded my belief that the spiritual was, in fact, a real presence in the story. Will be interesting to re-watch the series with this in mind.

Secondly, Douglas Adams is rolling in his grave! This ending had "Ark B Ship" scenario all over it. :-) If you haven't read the Hitchhiker's books, sorry for the vague reference. If you have read it, are you with me? :-)

Thirdly...a friend I watched it with last night said, "great...now they will make "Starbuck Lives!" buttons and t-shirts to replace the Frodo ones (okay, that dates me a bit but live with it).

Fourthly (is that a word??), I think they hinted that this earth was "prepared" for humanity. The idea of a compatible planet with independently evolved humans that are compatible with humans is unlikely to say the least. It is almost as if god or the gods had something in mind.

Fifthly...Kara was the Harbinger...of Death. She was a dead harbinger...not a harbinger leading people to death. That might be one way to look at it. Or maybe she really was the harbinger of death... of the cylons. The hybrids are all gone because of her and they were the ones who saw her as their death. Or she literally lead them to the end of the human race...as they knew it. Since Hera is the "mother of us all" we are all part human and part cylon. The original race of humans...both native and from the Colonies...is over.

Lots to ponder. I like that they wrapped up the major storyline but allowed plenty of philosophical points to ponder. At least until the last movie event this fall with "The Plan." That might fill in a few gaps though I doubt any will be about Kara.

Great capper. Can't wait to see The Plan and I hope Caprica is at least interesting in its own rights.

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Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wiki lists 140,000 years ago, but I suppose others think it was 150,000 years ago.

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Well, the Cylons no longer have resurrection (and failed to achieve it again), so if there are any Cavils out there, they are only as mad as they were before the Cavil on BSG blew his brains out The details of the incident in CiC with Tyrol and the uploading of resurrection would not have transfered to a new body.

I'm sure they are pissed, but only because the model itself is, by default it seems, a bastard

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quote: Ronald D. Moore, take a bow. You just finished what will go down as one of the truly great TV series of all time.

The same to David Eick, and all the rest.

So say we all.

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Regarding the "loose-ends" that had to be tied up in the finale, I personally think that all of questions were answered. Except, of course, those questions about life and the universe which we, as a species, are still seeking answers to ourselves.

While there were many amazing scenes in the finale (all three hours), I think one of my favourite moments came near the end, where Baltar quietly stated "you know, I knowing about farming," and then broke down.

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Agreed. I loved that scene with Baltar.


The thing I love about this finale is that it seemed so epic to me. At no time did I think I was watching the end of a TV show. I felt like I was watching the end of a fantastic story. For me it transcended TV. As much as I loved the finales of DS9 and ST:TNG, they never made me feel that way.

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That was ... "too awesome to describe!!"

My lower jaw has yet to make it off the floor following the Final Battle Scenes and the Opera House/CIC melding. What a rush!!

I was satisfied with everything regarding the final episode ... except the inconclusive Kara plot thread. I was hoping that we would at least find out who built her "new" Viper. That's OK, though: Everything else was "perfect"; and this way we have a little mysticism to ponder.

BTW, here's a link to Entertainment Weekly's "take" on the Final. It's a pretty good read:

EW.com Review of BSG finale

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Agreed.

I spent the entire week looking forward to Friday night. I could not wait for the finale which was bitter sweet in the sense that I knew this was the last journey with them but it was such a fitting finish.

Some of the battles with the Cylons and last nights attack on the colony in particular have exceeded the drama and effects of big budget hollywood movies and maybe be cause they are not just there as set pieces but so closely tied to the story.

Perhaps my favorite shot of the entire episode was after the jump and the cut to Galatica passing over the moon placing the viewer right into the story that they did in fact reach "earth".

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I agree! One lame finale I have been thinking a lot about in comparison to this one was Voyager's. I mean the ship reached Earth and um... that was it. No connecting with or wrapping up with the characters. This finale gave me just about everything I could have hoped for. And "epic" is certainly the right word.

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Plus, the Cavil's has no idea where they went, no resurrection, who knows have many resources left, AND there is at least one baseship of Friendly Centurions (plus maybe some leftover Original Centurions on the loose) who might wish to protect those people who gave them their freedom. Those Centurions surely have no love for any of the Cavil/Simon/Doral that are left -- maybe they will make it a mission to hunt those down to free their slave brethren and remove the 'Inhibitors' from the raiders and Centurions.

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I thought the battle and opera house stories were very well done. The building of All Along the Watchtower as Starbuck prepared the jump was fantastic, as was the end of Galactica as it completed the jump.

I initially didn't like that Hera wasn't more significant since we've chased her around for 4 seasons. But I guess I take the point that her dna was the building block of the population that eventually populated new earth. The blending of the humans, the cylons and the indigenous peoples of new earth. I think that works.

I had the same main gripe with the ending of Starbuck's story. I'm glad it worked for some people. It didn't for me for the reasons stated above.

PS - My complaints about the flashbacks from last week were addressed this week. This was meant to be watched as a three hour movie and dividing it the way they did was the problem. Roslin's family dying ultimately led her to seeking a new family, first with the young stud and then after realizing that wasn't what she wanted, by joining Adar's campaign, which led her to her perfect path. Adama struggling with leaving the military before realizing that's where he needed to be. Baltar ultimately being a farmer at heart.

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What I find fascinating is that in these last three hours of the TV series, we are literally nit-picking the show to figurative death.

But despite all the nitpicking, I still thought the very final twist at the end with the 150,000-year forwarding in time into "our" modern Earth worked very effectively well--and the irony of the scenes of all those robots being shown on the TV screens made me wonder: was it really an optimistic ending? It was utterly brilliant, the more I think about it.