Re: Battlestar Galactica Season 4
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Originally Posted by Quentin
Oh...someone listen to Roslyn please! She told you Boomer was a bad seed. She played Chief soooooo bad. What a bitch of a toaster!
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And yet, her entire plan depended on Roslin's knee-jerk reaction. If she had refused to extradite Boomer, there's no way Boomer could have convinced the Chief to break her out. The whole plan was based on Cavil's dark view of humanity.
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Originally Posted by Josh Dial
The final piano scene, where Watchtower was finally heard in full force, was simply amazing.
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I loved the build-up. This was the first time in a long time that the series focused on a serious character study. On one hand, I was frustrated that one of the last four episodes
ever was spent dwelling on it. On the other hand, I was glued to the screen the whole time. I loved that Hera's drawing helped her piece it back together. They've done a great job of making Hera super-mysterious and at times almost God-like.
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Originally Posted by Jim_C
The song her dad taught her was the song that activated the final five. If she isn't tied to Daniel I'll be stunned.
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I'm beginning to think she isn't tied to Daniel, she's tied to the beings that are controlling all of them. One thing this episode made clear is that their is some higher power above both the humans and the Cylons. Starbuck is their tool, not a Cylon or human creation.
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| Who else thinks that the cylon projection Boomer was using on Tyrol may be the explanation for Head Six? |
I wondered about that when Baltar experienced projections on the Cylon basestar. The house certainly served a similar function to Baltar's house by the lake in the early seasons of the show. The question is: if Baltar's (and Caprica Six's) visions are only a projection, who was doing the projecting? None of the Cylons on board Galactica in the early seasons knew they were Cylons.
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Originally Posted by Jim_C
3. Hera and Starbuck are somehow tied together with the song.
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They are certainly tied together by whatever is divining their visions. The song appears to tie
all of them together.
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| 4. Roslyn and Hera are somehow tied together, or Roslyn is still tied into the main arc after finding earth and not just waiting to die. She knew Hera was leaving the ship without anyone telling her and then she passed out. |
She is still tied into the opera house, which is deeply tied into Hera.
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| 5. Boomer is irredeemably evil and Cavil let her go as a way to steal Hera. They must know where the fleet is, otherwise why hatch the plot. |
Boomer is evil, but I don't think everything that happened was a lie. She clearly wanted Tyrol to go along with her, and she jerked away from Helo on a few occasions before diving into doing what she had to do to achieve her mission. I think she really is in love with Tyrol. I also think that she is still really, really pissed at humanity.
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Originally Posted by Quentin
I think the 'tie' between Hera and Starbuck is going to be this: I don't think Hera is the first Cylon/Human child. I think Kara is. Cavil is going to be soooo disapointed he got the wrong savior.
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I was thinking the same thing during the episode. It would make sense that her father disappeared if that was when he was boxed. I'm still not sure I like that answer though. If Kara
is the first human-Cylon hybrid, it doesn't mean Cavil got the wrong savior. The prophecy from the old man hybrid on the antiquated basestar in "Razor" stated that Kara would lead humanity to its end. Taken literally, that seems true given how Earth turned out (and since they're pretty much stuck there still), ignoring the fact that right now we're all apparently Cylons. However it's also possible that Kara was the rough model, without all of the mistakes ironed out. She might in fact be a failed prophet, while Hera is the true prophet with all of the mistakes ironed out.
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Originally Posted by Charlie Campisi
I didn't have the same criticisms everyone did of last week's ep, though I certainly understand them. But last week, Chief votes to leave the ship when everything he wants is there ... then this week he refuses to leave the ship after forsaking his duty to break the love of his life out of the brig? Ooops.
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Not oops at all. Last week he voted for all of the Cylons to leave the ship. He would have had to leave Galactica, but Boomer would have been freed. This week, he found a way to free Boomer without having to leave Galactica.
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Originally Posted by TravisR
I've always liked Tyrol so I was glad to see an episode that spent some more time on him.
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The thing that made the episode for me was how aghast Tyrol was when he found out that Boomer had kidnapped Hera. It was one of those moments that really reinforced what a fundamentally decent guy he is. He was able to be played
because he is so decent; he would never think that Boomer could do something so horrible.
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Originally Posted by Cameron Yee
He knocked out one of the Eights working on repairs, and during the blackout he somehow swapped them. It would have helped to see how he did the swap...
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I think we got what we needed. You hear the thump of the wrench on the worker Eight's head, and the power comes on with Tyrol helping repair the brig. The unconscious Eight wasn't going to be making any noise, and he probably alerted Boomer to his plan silently via projection. Since he controlled when the power came back on, he had as much time as he needed.
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Originally Posted by Yee-Ming
Especially that little bit with Helo unknowingly fracking Boomer with Athena watching half-groggily and getting really upset about her husband's stupidity in not realising he was, shall we say, being a bad boy and 'going where no good husband has gone before...'
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I think it was less being upset about Helo's stupid and more a profound helplessness as Boomer ripped at the foundations of her marriage. It'd be like being tied down and watching a family member get tortured. You know what's happening, but you can't do anything about it. The ultimate violation.
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| Notice how when Tigh confronted Starbuck about her playing Watchtower, the piano player (did he have a name?) seemed to have vanished? I'd guess he's (a) a projection as well, and (b) possibly Starbuck's father, the heretofore unseen "Daniel"? The entire time Starbuck was interacting with the piano player, I don't think anyone else ever spoke to him, or even mentioned him, so it's possible he's a projection, yes? As for the latter suggestion, the way he was brushing her face was an exact copy of the way Starbuck remembered her father doing the same when she as a child -- perhaps a bit too obvious, I suppose, but then again, why not? Especially when coupled with their earlier talk, when Starbuck ranted about her father walking out on her, just as she thought Piano Player had done on his family. |
He was clearly meant to represent her father, and he clearly wasn't real. Beyond that, we can draw no concrete conclusions. Starbuck didn't seem surprised when he vanished, so my guess is that she knew the whole time he wasn't real. It's possible that he was real the first night, when she chewed him out. Subsequently, he became a vehicle for her to unload some mental baggage. She made him into what she needed him to be, as a way of connecting to the good and bad of her history with her father.
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| Final observation: "Opera House". Venue of Roslin's visions concurrently with Six involving Hera etc. Another coincidence? |
I doubt anything is a coincidence. Especially when you have a close-up on the cover that lingers that long.
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Originally Posted by Josh Dial
I don't think Athena was getting mad at how stupid he was per se (if you are refering to her pounding on his back), but rather she was so overcome with emotion (anger, fear, et cetera) that she erupted in a fit. We've seen this countless times in other shows, where the husband clutches his wife as she flails about wildly. It most certainly wasn't a vain attempt to "punish" Helo.
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Exactly. All of the events in this episode conspired to rip control away from her. Boomer stole the purity of her marriage and Boomer stole her child. After struggling to maintain composure up until that point, she finally just lost it.
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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
I think we can safely say that Starbuck's dad/piano player/Daniel are the same person, and that Kara - not Hera - is the first half-cylon.
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I don't think we can safely say that at all. Clearly, we're being lead down that path. But there are greater forces manipulating everyone, and I think those forces are what has resulted in Kara.
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Originally Posted by Holadem
Of course she is. Do you know any woman who wouldn't be? Helo is never gonna hear the end of that one.  |
It is a hell of a trump card:
HELO: Jesus, Sharon, will you quit using the last of the toilet paper?
ATHENA: Jesus, Helo, will you quit screwing around on me?
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Originally Posted by Charlie Campisi
I think definitely the piano player was an hallucination or projection, but Starbuck's father? Would she not recognize her own father?
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This is while I think the piano player is a figment of Starbuck's imagination, at least after the first night.He exists to visually represent a sounding board for Starbuck and her daddy issues. If he started out as the real piano player, it would make sense that he wasn't how her father actually looked. Only over time did she turn him
into her father.
