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Lord of War - What would you do? (Aspect Ratio)

post #1 of 16
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I saw Lord of War in Best Buy's flyer the other day for $3.99. I own the 2 disc version with the incorrect aspect ratio of 1.78:1, so I thought I would go see if the single disc they had on sale had the proper AR. I found one in the store (the only one I saw) and it said WIDESCREEN 2.40:1. No sticker, the actual sleeve said this.

Do you know where this is going??? I bought it, brought it home, popped it in and...


Same aspect ratio as the one I already own, 1.78:1.

What would you do? With tax, I paid $4.25. Is it worth the hassle to try and return it? Anyone ever flatout return a DVD because the aspect ratio was mis-labeled on the box?

I've got to say I'm currently leaning against it, because I don't know if $4.25 is worth trying to explain to someone at the customer service counter that "Yes, I know my TV is supposed to have black bars, but these black bars are not big enough."
post #2 of 16

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Same thing happened to me this week. I still have the 1.78:1 version I bought a year and a half ago. I thought $3.99 would be an inexpensive way of upgrading to the OAR. The case itself says 2:40:1 so I was very surprised to find out it was just another lousy cropped 1.78:1 version with misleading packaging. I really didn't expect any of these versions to still be floating around.

I know it's only four bucks but this is definitely going back to Best Buy. I'll merely tell them it's defective so I don't have to explain aspect ratios to them. Doing a little research on this title I now know that the versions with the stickers on them are the ones to look for. If I can't find any of those at Best Buy I'll simply exchange mine for a sealed copy of the cropped version, wait for a stickered version to appear at any local store and find a way to make an exhange. I've paid twice for this movie and I refuse to shell out another dime to Lions Gate.
post #3 of 16

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So, it's been a year and a half has it? LOL. I still haven't got this disc after returning the original 2-discer when the reports came out re the AR. I have never seen any stickered LoW version around these parts, the online dealers I deal with won't verify the sticker, etc. etc. I'd pay $4 for it at this point, that's a watch-once/disposable price.
post #4 of 16

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I'd return it to the store. You purchased an item that advertised one thing on the package, but contained something different inside the box; you're entitled to a refund.
post #5 of 16

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*sigh* I've had a sealed copy of the 2-disc Lord of War sitting on my shelf for a couple months now. I grabbed it for under $10 at Target because it was marked 2.40:1. This thread prompted me to finally tear the package open and pop the disc into my computer.

1.78:1. Son of a...
post #6 of 16

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The stickered version is the way to go, it seems. I originally owned the 2-disc and ended up getting the single at Circuit City a few months ago for $7.50. I eBayed my used copy (which I hadn't even watched save listening to the commentary, or part of it) for maybe $4.

Not really happy, since I think I paid $15 originally. But at least I have a proper copy now. Lions Gate really should have done a replacement.

This thread reminded me of the Terry Gilliam/Tideland mess. I own that DVD but would like a corrected copy of that too. What ever happened there?
post #7 of 16

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I got the single disc edition for Christmas last year, and haven't even bothered to watch it. I've searched high and low for one with the proper ratio, but to no avail. I even tried contacting the company (Lions Gate I believe) in terms of a replacement program, but received no response.
post #8 of 16

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It's funny how little things like LoW can eat at me, subconciously I mean. I haven't even seen the movie yet, but just knowing I couldn't get it in OAR continues to bug me since I returned those discs. I am not surprised Lionsgate has been a bit poor on handling this, they were typical of a Canadian company (when Lions Gate) as far as DVD releases: quite poor in general, never trust the package printing. I would bet the corporate attitude was sold along with the ownership...
post #9 of 16
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Unbelieveable... just unbelieveable.

And the thing is, its my own fault. I should have brought this new copy to a local used CD/DVD place to get a buck or two for it. But no, today I decided to return it to Best Buy.

The customer service girl asks me what's wrong with it. I tell her that its mislabeled, the aspect ratio on the disc is not what the packaging says. She says go grab another one, the wrong disc was put in the case. I said no, they're all going to be like that based on the research I've done. She says she can't give me my money back because of copywright laws. I say a store credit will be fine. She says can't do that.

She says just a minute and comes back with a geek squad/tech guy. I explain to him what the deal is. He said he was going to take a look at it on a display they have behind the counter.

A few minutes later she comes up and says the guy wants me to come back so he can "show me." I get back there, and there are black bars on the top and bottom of the 16x9 display. For a second I doubted myself until I saw Nicolas Cage with a very short and round face. The display or player was vertically squeezing the image so it looked like a 2.40:1 ratio.

I explained that the image was being squeezed vertically, and the guy tries to explain aspect ratios to me and how the black bars need to be there, etc. I say I understand that, but the picture was being squeezed. (It was really quite obvious when you looked at it) He again tried to explain aspect ratios when I said that I truly understood what he meant, I have been into home theater for a very long time... But before I could complete my sentence he said, "I just got back from a home theater install this morning."

I was at a loss. I really had nothing to say after he said this. I almost laughed a little.

He pulls the disc out of the player, hands it to the customer service girl, and says "I've got to go."

She gave the disc to me, I thanked her for her time (because I'm too damn polite) and left.

Why I decided to go through that for $3.99 plus tax is something I'll never understand.

I was going to try to finish with a moral of the story, but I'm not sure what it is.
Its either... 1. Don't worry about a couple bucks when deep down you just knew it wouldn't work (read my original post) or,
2. Don't ever question the knowledge of a guy who "just got back from a home theater install this morning."

Long post, I know. Thanks for listening.
post #10 of 16

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Has anyone ever verified whether the 1.78:1 version was director-approved?

The DVD Talk review states that the cropped version looks fine and could be intentional.

I picked up the 2-disc set very cheaply recently and could theoretically return it, but am not interested enough to pay the price of the Blu-Ray as a blind buy.
post #11 of 16

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Originally Posted by Steve Kuester
Unbelieveable... just unbelieveable.

And the thing is, its my own fault. I should have brought this new copy to a local used CD/DVD place to get a buck or two for it. But no, today I decided to return it to Best Buy.

The customer service girl asks me what's wrong with it. I tell her that its mislabeled, the aspect ratio on the disc is not what the packaging says. She says go grab another one, the wrong disc was put in the case. I said no, they're all going to be like that based on the research I've done. She says she can't give me my money back because of copywright laws. I say a store credit will be fine. She says can't do that.

She says just a minute and comes back with a geek squad/tech guy. I explain to him what the deal is. He said he was going to take a look at it on a display they have behind the counter.

A few minutes later she comes up and says the guy wants me to come back so he can "show me." I get back there, and there are black bars on the top and bottom of the 16x9 display. For a second I doubted myself until I saw Nicolas Cage with a very short and round face. The display or player was vertically squeezing the image so it looked like a 2.40:1 ratio.

I explained that the image was being squeezed vertically, and the guy tries to explain aspect ratios to me and how the black bars need to be there, etc. I say I understand that, but the picture was being squeezed. (It was really quite obvious when you looked at it) He again tried to explain aspect ratios when I said that I truly understood what he meant, I have been into home theater for a very long time... But before I could complete my sentence he said, "I just got back from a home theater install this morning."

I was at a loss. I really had nothing to say after he said this. I almost laughed a little.

He pulls the disc out of the player, hands it to the customer service girl, and says "I've got to go."

She gave the disc to me, I thanked her for her time (because I'm too damn polite) and left.

Why I decided to go through that for $3.99 plus tax is something I'll never understand.

I was going to try to finish with a moral of the story, but I'm not sure what it is.
Its either... 1. Don't worry about a couple bucks when deep down you just knew it wouldn't work (read my original post) or,
2. Don't ever question the knowledge of a guy who "just got back from a home theater install this morning."

Long post, I know. Thanks for listening.

A Futile Exercise - There was a day when 3.99 would buy more than 1.2 gallons of gas to get to the store and back, but it is history. Hope you purchased something else on the trip. Perhaps a combo with a food run
post #12 of 16

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Does anyone really care if the director "approved" it, in this case? It's not like it's just a different cut, it's not the theatrical AR and IMO that's the point. It was fixed by Lionsgate relatively quickly, though in usual Lionsgate fashion they never actually mentioned there was a problem so you could get a replacement version. There are comparison screen caps somewhere here that show the difference between versions. Yes, 1.78 looks fine, until you see what you're supposed to see. Just what kind of point was the reviewer trying to make by saying that? Any reframing is "intentional", so somebody sure approved it.

Can you tell I'm still annoyed?

I see this 2-discer for sale all the time on the web, still haven't seen somebody offering the proper AR *for sure*. Still not available around here either. Finding this in correct AR has become a quest for me! Probably mostly because nobody seems to want me to have it...
post #13 of 16

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Originally Posted by CraigF
Finding this in correct AR has become a quest for me! Probably mostly because nobody seems to want me to have it...

I want you to have it. Buy a PS3 and get the Blu-Ray.

I actually have a PS3, but I'm unofficially boycotting HD discs that drop the extras that were on the DVD editions -- if they re-did the BD of Lord of War to include the extras, I'd just buy it.
post #14 of 16

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Ohh...I didn't even know the BR disc didn't have the extras...you're getting me going again... Still hoping to find that "AR sticker" on the back of an SD LoW 2-discer, check every week in the stores. I wish somebody would buy all those damned flawed ones so they'd restock faster...

I'm not boycotting any HD format, I'd likely have jumped in if we had the player and multi "free" disc deals like you have in the U.S. I'm just not buying any "expensive" SD discs, like the ones that cost almost the same as the HD releases.
post #15 of 16

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The 5 free BD deal is (or was, at least) definitely available in Canada. I remember there was a separate website for downloading the mail-in form.
post #16 of 16

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^ It's the BD players that are the problem: no deals on them here yet. There are ways to get around it, but I haven't been sufficiently motivated so far.
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