Heroes Season 2 thread - Page 30

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Ever since The Great Escape, I believe you have to either give prisoners in solitary confinement a ball or torture them. It's in the Geneva Convention.

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How about West as the shooter?

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What reason would he have to kill Claire's biological father? What reason would he have to trust the Company?

I hope they reference what happened to Caitlin whenever the series has new episodes as I thought it should have been done last night. Is Peter aware of what he has done?

Maybe in the next chapter Peter and Sylar team up to take down the Company. That could be really interesting.

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West doesn't want to be exposed, Nathan threatened that quality of life for West. Granted, West would need to be in contact with whoever is with Bob, Angela, and now Noah.

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I had the EXACT same thought.

And my problems had nothing to do with suspending disbelief, it was just misuse of characters.

Let me ask this question: if Chapter 2 had NEVER involved the Incan twins, they never appeared in any single scene.. would anything else have changed? NO. Because they were completely irrelevent to the story. Completely irrelevent. It never developed into anything which makes looking back at episodes with tons of them even more annoying.

The bit with Hiro and Peter, and every cast member and Peter.. and no one, not a single person until his brother really reasoning with him was silly. Peter who was so driven and worried about the girl in the future and now "poof" we have no idea what happened except she's gone.

The return of Sylar strikes me as super wrong. Because now he has the one power they kept trying to prevent him from getting in "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World", wherein he now has basically Adam / Claire's power.

So, for all the season 1 "he can't get that power, he'll be unstoppable" well, now he has it.

I don't know, even in the day after I feel more let down by this then anything.

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I suppose this was an "acceptable" ending for Volume Two.

Was happy when the Mexican Twin got shot. Thought we were
rid of her for good. Silly thinking!

I suppose it was fine to kill off Nikki/Jessica/Lisa as her character really
was going nowhere. But to keep Monika alive instead?! She stinks!

Glad to see they ended Adam's timeline as well.

The only regrettable death here was Nathan Petrelli. I hope
somehow he lives on to Volume Three.

Count me in as another person who feel Sylar's invitation has
run out on this show.

Overall a moderately fair season. Can't hold a leg to Season One.

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I don't think that's what happened. When Sylar absorbs powers, it appears to have something to do with the brains of his victims, not their blood. The blood is purely curative. No one that has received it has developed regenerative powers.

However I am wondering just how much more can be done with Sylar. He's such a one-note character -- absorb power, kill, repeat. They are just delaying the inevitable. In other words, to rid the world of his menace, Sylar must die. Anything else would be just a pale reflection of last season.

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I was going to say the same thing. In a show where people seem to get brought back from the dead all the time, it'd be totally weak to off Nathan like this.

In any case, we didn't actually see him die, did we?

I completely saw Niki's death coming, though.

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I think you could see the symbol that is on Hiro's sword and Peter's necklace in the dust in Peter's hand after he destroyed the virus.

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So this is it for this season? Even if the strike is over tomorrow, Heroes season 2 is done?

One thing I don't understand...let's say there was no strike and the writers had all season to play out the plot...would this have been the ending with more filler material in between or was this a cliffhanger to be continued in January 2008?

So now we have to wait until Sept. 2008 for Volume 3?

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As I recall, the NBC promos during Chuck were saying that during the finale of Heroes, one hero will fall.

So if that's true, Nikki seems likely to me to have succumb to the fire and explosion. Unless she founds a way out at the last minute before the building blew up.

So I think it's likely Nathan will survive as he still has the blood of Claire in him. Of course if the blood is a one time thing, they could get more from Claire.

Possible spoiler:

I read on a Star Trek site where they quote Tim Kring that the change for Sylar's fate was due to the writer's strike. Since the strike is going longer, the time Quinto has off doing Star Trek will not affect Heroes. So he's back sooner then originally planned. And the title of the next Chapter, Villians was partly discussed.

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This season is planned to be two volumes of 11 episodes. Due to the strike, there's no real date for when Volume Three will start though or if they'll shorten it, etc.

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I think the intent was always to separate this season into Volumes 2 and 3. The winter holiday season made a convenient splitting point. So, I believe Volume 2 would have ended now regardless of the strike. However, as you stated, Volume 3 may be delayed until the fall (depending on how soon the strike gets resolved).

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In all fairness to Peter and his break into the vault, his most recent use of phasing predates his memory loss. So far he has exhibited very few of his powers other than his mainstays of invisibility and telekenesis. I was truly astonished to see him use his nuke power.

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Oh OK. So we were going to get this ending anyway. Breaking up season 2 into volumes 2 and 3 is an interesting move and as it turns out, it actually helped them end the short season sort of gracefully.

Thanks for the clarification guys.

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There's definitely ways that the writers could bring Nathan back, but I think there's a chance that Nikki didn't die either. Once she realizes that she can't follow Monica past the burning beam, she looks around the room...cut to Monica and Micah escaping out of the building and running down the road...cut to the building blowing up. Nikki could have found another exit out the back and made it out before the building blew up. Who knows, but it is a possibility.

I totally agree with the plot for this Volume requiring characters to be idiots. The thing that bugged me the most was the number of times that characters would realize that someone was lying to them or trying to hurt them and then would say to that person that they were going to turn them in (like the Wonder twins with Sylar, or Monica with the cellphone in her hand while tied up). Haven't these people ever heard of the idea of playing along while you plan your escape/retribution plan and are in a safer position to carry it out?

I've lost track of all the times when one of the characters suddenly realizes that the person they are with is bad or that the company is doing bad things and instead of waiting until they are out of the control of that person to act on it, they immediately state this realization and their intent to turn the person in. Result - they get shot or some other action is carried out to keep them quiet. Anybody else notice this or have specific instances come to mind? I think the Wonder twins and Suresh were the worst for this, and Alehandro's confronting of Sylar is the most prominent one that comes to mind.

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Your not. I too was hoping he would bite it. And the person who killed him would be the girl he shot. Oh well...Beat a dead horse.

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So with the original ending, Caitlin wouldn't have been stranded because the virus is still released. Sounds like that on-set change created a little problem...

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The more I think about it the more Noah's return to the Company seems as out of character as Mohinders. Now Mohinder has a history of being stupid and easily duped so I can let it slide somewhat. With all the Noah has done to escape the Company and then bring them down I can't see how he could be persuaded to rejoin. IMO that conversation with Bob (I assume) had to be on screen.

I think we could run a Darwin award for this chapter with my vote going to Monica. Unless her power has some sort of time limit to how long her muscles remember abilities then she deserved to bite it in that fire for putting herself in that position when she has the perfect power to ensure it never happens by smallest of forethought or planning.

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What was weird to me was the way Adam was talking to Peter, implying that Caitlin would be fine if they prevented the outbreak. It didn't make any sense, although I suppose that sometime in Adam's 300 years of adventures he might have encountered time travelers and found it did work that way, with Caitlin suddenly reappearing in the present (or in June '08) as soon as the timeline she was stuck in was pinched off. I wonder if the writers intend to answer one way or the other after the hiatus, or whether they're just going to quietly ignore her.

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I just assumed that Noah joined again because The Company intended to kill Claire since she (stupidly) wanted to go public with her powers. If he worked for The Company again, they wouldn't kill her. To me, the real question is why does The Company keep dealing with him? Just kill him and his family and be done with the whole situation.

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I would like the add the old comic adage of "nobody stays dead, except Uncle Ben, and Bucky" (and Bucky came back [and Ben did too, kind of...]).

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I wonder how much the non-sensensical plot turns owe the reshoots done in case the strike wasn't over? Might they have had to rush wrap-up certain plot lines that were previously going to extend into Volume Three?

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I believe this misapprehension is addressed in the Season One thread

No one else is doing or saying anything that makes sense. At least the writers are consistent

Nope. The writers seem to think the audience loves Sylar, or they need The One True Super-Villain. But unfortunately, it seems like they've written themselves into a box with his powers, and they haven't demonstrated they know how to write hero/villain face-offs. So to move the plot forward, people will have to act even more stupid.

Even the Red Skull would disappear for a while -- it made his return(s) more of an event.

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I don't mind Sylar sticking around. As a matter of fact, I like that he's still around. He's one of the most interesting characters.

One thing that still pisses me off to this day is how Molly said there was one worse and scarier than Sylar, which was pretty scary last season. And all we got was Parkman's father who was a rather boring character. Pretty big let-down IMO.

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Nope. NeilO gave a link to Greg Beeman's blog from November 26: http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/

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I enjoyed the ep, but I can't disagree with anything Stephen_L said. It was an enjoyable watch, but it doesn't stand up to much scrutiny.

The Nathan assassination couldn't have been more telegraphed. I'm guessing he's either going to make it from the blood he was already given, or he'll be given some other blood. It might be best for him to die, because if every volume is going to end with the question of whether Nathan's alive or not, it's going to get old. I hope Niki is good and dead and was shamefully hoping that as she was trapped, but she probably won't be. I was also thinking what a colossal waste the wonder twins were when Maya was killed, but I didn't count on her coming back.

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Another glaring plot hole:

Sylar has the Shanti virus. Surely he'd have given it to Maya when they canoodled last week? In that event, Maya wouldn't have been able to use her powers this week.
Then:
Sylar is looking for a cure for the virus. Try it on her first, he says to Suresh, and if she's resurrected, he'll try it. Except, Maya doesn't have the virus! And she's dead!

Ah, well, best not to think too much wrt this show...

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Not necessarily. We don't know how the virus is transmitted other than direct injection.


Claire's blood is a general cure-all -- if it'll bring Maya back from the dead it'll counteract the virus.

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I have to agree, there were too many instances of people acting stupidly. The biggest offender IMHO being Mohinder, who is supposed to be quite intelligent. Perhaps not sneaky, though. I was hoping he'd come up with some clever way to outsmart Syler, but as we can see he never did.

What a waste of time and space the wonder twins were. If there isn't something in particular that Maya's power has a bearing on in Volume 3 they will truly be the most useless and superfluous characters ever.

I don't think Nathan still carries the effect of Kenzo/Monroe's blood in him, so far it seems to suggest that it's a one-use thing. But I would not be surprised if he's 'resurrected' with another dose of super-cure blood from Clare. From HRG's experience, obviously it is not absolutely necessary to adminster the cure immediately. I did think, for some reason, that HRG was indeed the shooter, and it certainly sounds like Angela had something to do with it.

On the critique that Parkman's father was too bland to be Molly's fearsome bogeyman, I'd disagree. It's precisely the bland nature of him as a man that makes his power all the more frightening, and we've seen what he can do to those without mental powers: he locked Matt and Nathan into their own little nightmares, and it was only becuase Matt had similar powers that he was able to break out. Matt I guess is still feeling his way with these powers, he was unable to force Peter to do his bidding, but was at least able to make a persuasive argument in his head which Peter accepted. (Or at least that's how I interpret it.)