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post #781 of 992
1/18/08 at 10:17pm

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Originally Posted by Sanjay Gupta
Thanks for the correction, I have updated my list accordingly. Buena Vista & Disney are technically seperate. Miramax & Touchstone are both labels under the Buena Vista banner.

Buena Vista is Disney's theatrical distribution company. Any film released by Disney or one of it's other companies IE Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures etc, are distributed by Buena Vista. In other words, Touchstone is the production company, Buena Vista is the distribution company.

I'm not sure how Buena Vista relates to home video. It may be that Buena Vista only deals with theatrical distribution. The Pirates discs for instance have both Walt Disney Home Entertainment and Buena Vista Home Entertainment listed. I suppose Walt Disney Home Entertainment could be the company that does the actual disc authoring, and Buena Vista is the distribution arm. I'm sure it all has something to do with tax law.

Doug
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post #782 of 992
1/20/08 at 3:09pm

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"Buena Vista" is generic short hand referring to any number of WDC divisions. It's not my understanding that those two words alone properly refer to any Disney entity. Buena Vista Theatrical Distribution is the correct name for WDC's theatrical distributor (although I've also seen Buena Vista Pictures Distribution). Buena Vista Home Entertainment is the home vid distribber. WDHE is a BVHE label, a way of explicitly getting the Disney name/brand on boffo/family fare, a name they do not want to use on, say, Miramax titles.

Wow--Cloverfield did $41M this weekend. And tomorrow's a Holiday. 10th biggest opening in Par history. Although it hardly changes the entire (im)balance of the spring HDM release slate, it certainly gives Par a strong arrow in its HD DVD release quiver. It could conceivably street in May.
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post #783 of 992
1/20/08 at 3:24pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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Originally Posted by Paul.S
Wow--Cloverfield did $41M this weekend. And tomorrow's a Holiday. 10th biggest opening in Par history. Although it hardly changes the entire (im)balance of the spring HDM release slate, it certainly gives Par a strong arrow in its HD DVD release quiver.
I haven't seen the movie, but I thought Cloverfield was recorded on standard def video (I've heard it referenced as Blair Witch meets Godzilla).
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post #784 of 992
1/20/08 at 3:29pm

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Originally Posted by PerryD
I haven't seen the movie, but I thought Cloverfield was recorded on standard def video (I've heard it referenced as Blair Witch meets Godzilla).

I think it was the Panavision Genesis HD camera that was used in Cloverfield.
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post #785 of 992
1/21/08 at 12:16pm

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This is a bit strange news (and new reason to drop "format neutrality"):

"R&B Films to Exclude HD DVD for Future Releases:

Richard Casey of R&B Films (who have released Chronos and Nature’s Beauty on both HD formats) has announced that "we are excluding HD-DVD with respect to our future releases" in a forum posting on blu-ray.com.
Richard said that this decision was made prior to Warner’s decision announcement and he cited "experience with the HD-DVD audience and the abuse I took in the AVS Forum" as his motivation to drop HD DVD support."
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post #786 of 992
1/21/08 at 12:30pm

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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
I think it was the Panavision Genesis HD camera that was used in Cloverfield.

Cloverfield seems to have been shot with a number of different cameras but the Panavision Genesis isn't listed.

Panasonic AG-HVX200 (this is a consumer level HD camera.)
Sony CineAlta F23 (this is a fairly new 4:4:4 HD camera)
Thomson VIPER FilmStream Camera (this is the camera that Zodiac was shot on)
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post #787 of 992
1/21/08 at 2:47pm

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Originally Posted by Jari K
This is a bit strange news (and new reason to drop "format neutrality"):

"R&B Films to Exclude HD DVD for Future Releases:

Richard Casey of R&B Films (who have released Chronos and Nature’s Beauty on both HD formats) has announced that "we are excluding HD-DVD with respect to our future releases" in a forum posting on blu-ray.com.
Richard said that this decision was made prior to Warner’s decision announcement and he cited "experience with the HD-DVD audience and the abuse I took in the AVS Forum" as his motivation to drop HD DVD support."

Strange indeed.

Many of us have definitely taken this format war far too seriously.
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post #788 of 992
1/21/08 at 3:21pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jari K
This is a bit strange news (and new reason to drop "format neutrality"):

"R&B Films to Exclude HD DVD for Future Releases:

Richard said that this decision was made prior to Warner’s decision announcement and he cited "experience with the HD-DVD audience and the abuse I took in the AVS Forum" as his motivation to drop HD DVD support."
With due respect to them for choosing whatever format they may choose to release or not release in, I think this is probably the most unprofessional reason one could base their business decision on. Irrespective of what 'Richard' may have stated as their reason for dropping HD-DVD, I really find it hard to believe that his statement reflects truelly on their decision. He probably is just stating this to get back at those he may have had a bad experience with, at AVS. Either way this statement is childish and unprofessional. For does 'Richard' not realize that ultimately it is the same people who will be his customers on Blu-Ray also? The company really needs to hire a better PR person.
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post #789 of 992
1/21/08 at 4:40pm

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With due respect to them for choosing whatever format they may choose to release or not release in, I think this is probably the most unprofessional reason one could base their business decision on. Irrespective of what 'Richard' may have stated as their reason for dropping HD-DVD, I really find it hard to believe that his statement reflects truelly on their decision. He probably is just stating this to get back at those he may have had a bad experience with, at AVS. Either way this statement is childish and unprofessional. For does 'Richard' not realize that ultimately it is the same people who will be his customers on Blu-Ray also? The company really needs to hire a better PR person.

Agree 100%. I would have no problem if they announced they were dropping HD DVD because of sales numbers, authoring costs or any number of other reasons. This seems a lot like a third grade "taking my ball and going home" announcment.
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post #790 of 992
1/21/08 at 11:05pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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Originally Posted by ReggieW
Many of us have definitely taken this format war far too seriously.

That still also goes to AVSforum..
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post #791 of 992
1/22/08 at 6:54am

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What's your source for Casey's comments please, Jari?
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post #792 of 992
1/22/08 at 6:06pm

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Just some figures to ponder over.

NPD group hardware sales figures for HD players. *These figures DO NOT include PS3 sales*

December '07
Blu-ray = 115,132 (60.19%)
HD-DVD = 76,148 (39.81%)

Which means, that inspite of HD-DVDs far lower prices, they were still clearly outsold by Blu-Ray stand-alone players during the Holiday season sales and this was even before Warner went Blu-Ray exclusive.

Week ending January 05, '08
Blu-Ray = 15,257 (51.17%)
HD-DVD = 14,558 (48.83%)


Post Warner announcement:
Week ending January 12, '08
Blu-Ray = 21,770 (92.53%)
HD-DVD = 1,758 ( 7.47%)

Can you imagine what these figures would look like if PS3 sales were included? Add these figures to the software sales figures and I think it's quite clear where this format war is heading.

PS: NPD sales figures are taken from digitalbits.com
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post #793 of 992
1/23/08 at 10:02am

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Hardware sales numbers, pre and post warner switch

My Two Cents - Archived Posts (1/22/08 - 1/11/08)

Blu takes 93% of sales.

This DOES NOT include PS3 sales or 360 add-on sales.

I wonder what the numbers look like post Toshiba's fire sale?
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post #794 of 992
1/25/08 at 10:00am

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HMM Jan 27 - Feb 2, 2008



Titles Released Jan 15, 2008
Girls Gone Wild: Baby Bash - Live And Uncensored (Mantra)
Good Luck Chuck (Lionsgate)
Mr. Woodcock (New Line)
Suburban Girl (Image)
The Ten (City Lights)

Percentages
BD / HD
83 / 17 Week
76 / 24 Year
64 / 36 Since Inception

Top 10 Titles
1. Good Luck Chuck 100
2. 3:10 to Yuma 98.8
3. POTC: AWE 64.33
4. Planet Earth 43.35
5. 300 42.04
6. Ratatouille 41.6
7. Superbad 36.42
8. Resident Evil: Extinction 33.86
9. Blade Runner: Collector's Edition 33.84
10. Mr. Woodcock 33.48


Number of Titles in Top 10
BD:10
HD:0

Weeks Won In 2008
Blu-ray 3 ***
HD DVD 0
Weeks Won In 2007
Blu-ray 52
HD DVD 0
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post #795 of 992
1/25/08 at 10:49am

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Wow. I can't think of another two weeks straight wherein the Since Inception number moved two points.

I also find it interesting that the Planet Earth BD is in the top ten and the HD-DVD version is not. This may be the first time in a while that the BD version outsold its HD-DVD counterpart.

EDIT: Does HMM always list New Line releases as Warner (Mr. Woodcock), or is this a one time typo?
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post #796 of 992
1/25/08 at 6:28pm

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What these don't show is that sales were way down this week. BD was down around 48% from the week prior and HD DVD down around 36%. The 2% increase in share for HD DVD wasn't that they sold more than last week, they just didn't drop as much....It will be interesting to see which way the sales go next week, and if both formats still trend the same way.
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post #797 of 992
1/25/08 at 6:32pm

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Does HMM always list New Line releases as Warner (Mr. Woodcock), or is this a one time typo?

Pan's Lab. and Hairspray are also listed as WB.
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post #798 of 992
1/26/08 at 12:28am

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Originally Posted by BrettB
Titles Released Jan 15, 2008
Girls Gone Wild: Baby Bash - Live And Uncensored (Mantra)
Good Luck Chuck (Lionsgate)
Mr. Woodcock (New Line)
Suburban Girl (Image)
The Ten (City Lights)
Actually, 'Suburbun Girl' was not released on the 15th and is scheduled for release on February 5th, 2008.

Title St. Date
Accross The Universe 02-05-08 Sony
Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The 02-05-08 Warner 03-18-08
Brave One 02-05-08 Warner 02-26-08
Elizabeth: The Golden Age 02-05-08 Universal
Jane Austen Book Club, The 02-05-08 Sony
Suburban Girl 02-05-08 Image
Becoming Jane 02-12-08 Miramax
Gone Baby Gone 02-12-08 Miramax
No Reservations 02-12-08 Warner 03-04-08
We Own the Night 02-12-08 Sony
American Gangster 02-19-08 Universal
In the Valley of Elah 02-19-08 Warner 03-11-08
Michael Clayton 02-19-08 Warner 03-11-08
30 Days Of Night 02-26-08 Sony
Beowulf 02-26-08 Paramount
Justice League: The New Frontier 02-26-08 Warner 03-18-08
Into The Wild 03-04-08 Paramount
Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium 03-04-08 Fox
Things We Lost in the Fire 03-04-08 Dreamworks
Appleseed Ex Machina 03-11-08 Warner 04-01-08
August Rush 03-11-08 Warner 04-01-08
Bee Movie 03-11-08 Dreamworks
Dan In Real Life 03-11-07 Touchstone
Hitman (Unrated Edition) 03-11-08 Fox
No Country For Old Men 03-11-08 Miramax
Saawariya 03-11-08 Sony
Sleuth 03-11-08 Sony
Enchanted 03-18-08 Disney
I Am Legend 03-18-08 Warner 04-08-08
Kite Runner, The 03-25-08 Paramount
Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story 03-25-08 Sony
Water Horse, The: Legend Of The Deep 04-01-08 Sony
Dead Fish 04-08-08 Warner 04-29-08
Lions For Lambs 04-08-08 MGM
Alien vs. Predator: Requiem 04-15-08 Fox
Before the Devil Knows You're Dead 04-15-08 Image
Golden Compass, The 04-29-08 New Line
National Treasure: Book of Secrets Disney


February - April '08 Blu-Ray HD-DVD St. Date Warner
Day/Date New Titles 31 8 01-02-08 3 0 0
Exclusive 30 7 01-08-08 3 1 0
01-15-08 2 0 0
BBC 0 0 01-22-08 2 0 0
Disney 2 01-29-08 3 1 0
Dreamworks 2 02-05-08 5 1 0
First Look 0 0 02-12-08 4 0 0
Fox 3 02-19-08 2 1 1
HBO 0 02-26-08 2 1 1
Image 2 1 03-04-08 1 2 1
Lionsgate 0 03-11-08 7 1 2
MGM 1 03-18-08 2 0 2
Miramax 3 03-25-08 1 1 0
New Line 1 04-01-08 1 0 2
Paramount 3 04-08-08 2 0 1
Sony 8 04-15-08 2 1 0
Touchstone 1 04-22-08 0 0 0
Universal 2 04-29-08 1 0 1
Warner 10 43 10 11
Weinstein 0


Neilsen Top Ten Top Ten NPD Units Units Revenue Revenue
01-06-08 65% 35% 9 1 01-05-08 15257 51% 14558 49%
01-13-08 85% 15% 10 0 01-12-08 21770 93% 1758 7%
01-20-08 83% 17% 10 0 01-19-08 16496 66% 8639 34% $60,33,540 84% $11,82,248 16%
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post #799 of 992
1/26/08 at 11:37am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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Originally Posted by Sanjay Gupta
Actually, 'Suburbun Girl' was not released on the 15th and is scheduled for release on February 5th, 2008.
Watched the blu-ray disc earlier this week. Got it from Blockbuster Online. Took a while to get used to seeing Alec Baldwin playing a sex symbol and making out with Sarah Michelle Geller though.
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post #800 of 992
1/26/08 at 12:08pm

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Sanjay - great charts as always.
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post #801 of 992
1/26/08 at 12:19pm

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I was at Fry's Electronics last night and discovered that they have raised the base price of their blu-ray movies from $19.95 to $22.95. The HD DVDs are still $19.95.

Doug
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post #802 of 992
1/26/08 at 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by PerryD
Watched the blu-ray disc earlier this week. Got it from Blockbuster Online. Took a while to get used to seeing Alec Baldwin playing a sex symbol and making out with Sarah Michelle Geller though.
The original street date for 'Suburbun Girls' BD was the 15th, day & date with the DVD. The BD street date was for some reason postponed to the 5th of February, but it seems like Blockbuster may have missed the notification or just decided to ignore it. Amazon still has the BD on pre-order, scheduled for release on the 5th of February.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Sanjay - great charts as always.
Thanks.
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post #803 of 992
1/26/08 at 8:18pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanjay Gupta
The original street date for 'Suburbun Girls' BD was the 15th, day & date with the DVD. The BD street date was for some reason postponed to the 5th of February, but it seems like Blockbuster may have missed the notification or just decided to ignore it. Amazon still has the BD on pre-order, scheduled for release on the 5th of February.
DVD Empire shows the release date at 1/15 and is currently in stock.
DVD Empire - Item - Suburban Girl / Blu-ray
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post #804 of 992
1/26/08 at 10:04pm

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Originally Posted by PerryD
DVD Empire shows the release date at 1/15 and is currently in stock.
DVD Empire - Item - Suburban Girl / Blu-ray
As stated in my previous post, some sites have either missed or overlooked the postponement of the Blu-Ray disc release. To support my claim, I could post links to several other sites that show the title scheduled for release on the 5th of February, but then so may you and this may just go back and forth. Thus, the simplest way to settle this, is to link to the Image Entertainment Website. Since they are the actual distributors of 'Suburbun Girl', their information should be irrefutable.

'Suburbun Girl' DVD listing. Image Entertainment - Releases for the Week of 01/15/08

'Suburbun Girl' BD listing. Image Entertainment - Releases for the Week of 02/05/08

'Suburbun Girl' BD Details. Image Entertainment - Suburban Girl (Blu-ray)

PS: As for titles being available before street date, I myself get most titles on BD/DVD approx 2 weeks before street date.
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post #805 of 992
1/27/08 at 8:26am

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I couldn't care less about the movie. I just wanted to say that I rented it from Blockbuster and that the first site I thought of had it available for purchase.
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post #806 of 992
2/1/08 at 11:06am

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HMM Feb 3 - Feb 9, 2008



Titles Released Jan 22, 2008
The Game Plan (Walt Disney)
Saw IV (Lionsgate)
Channels (Vanguard Cinema)
Method Man: Live from the Sunset Strip (Music Distribution)

Percentages
BD / HD
82 / 18 Week
77 / 23 Year
64 / 36 Since Inception

Top 10 Titles
1. Saw IV 100.00
2. The Game Plan 70.83
3. 3:10 to Yuma 48.21
4. PotC At World's End 36.35
5. Good Luck Chuck 35.58
6. 300 34.51
7. Planet Earth 32.49
8. Ratatouille 26.03
9. War 23.05
10. Superbad 22.63

Number of Titles in Top 10
BD:10
HD:0

Weeks Won In 2008
Blu-ray 4 ****
HD DVD 0
Weeks Won In 2007
Blu-ray 52
HD DVD 0
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post #807 of 992
2/1/08 at 11:26am

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I'm still astounded by the Planet Earth numbers. Last week it was all BD, and this week the numbers are 32.49 overall and 34.74 overall, meaning HD-DVD was a mere 2.25. What happened?
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post #808 of 992
2/1/08 at 3:44pm

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
I'm still astounded by the Planet Earth numbers. Last week it was all BD, and this week the numbers are 32.49 overall and 34.74 overall, meaning HD-DVD was a mere 2.25. What happened?

*THAT* may be one of the best indicators on how the remainder of this format war is going wrt consumer purchases. IIRC, Planet Earth was one of the few titles where HDD usually(?) did better than BD. For it to drop like that for HDD and still maintain top 10 sales w/ those kinds of numbers for BD suggests to me that the HDD market has essentially stopped growing while the BD market continues to grow at a solid rate. Of course, this is just one indicator, but it's certainly not the only one...

_Man_
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post #809 of 992
2/2/08 at 10:07am

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Not sure about the reasons behind the swing in Planet Earth sales. BD outsold HD DVD this week by about 4K copies.

Again, like last week, its not that HD DVD really "gained" on BD, it just had less of a drop. BD sales were down 9% and HD DVD was down 4% from the prior week.
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post #810 of 992
2/2/08 at 11:31am

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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich
Not sure about the reasons behind the swing in Planet Earth sales. BD outsold HD DVD this week by about 4K copies.

Again, like last week, its not that HD DVD really "gained" on BD, it just had less of a drop. BD sales were down 9% and HD DVD was down 4% from the prior week.



I would imagine HDM sales are ultra-cruddy right now.


Very few decent releases lately, and the HD-DVD purchases have dropped off the face of the earth.

And I definately dont' see that translating to more Blu-Sales.
So HD-DVD less, while Blu-Ray has the same, means less overall.
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