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post #751 of 992
1/18/08 at 7:40am

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20th Century is coming out with some good Blu-ray titles, just hope we do not have to many delays.

20th Century Fox:
Wall Street 2/5
Me, Myself and Irene 2/5
Ice Age 3/4
Independence Day 3/11
I Robot 3/11
Preditor 4/15
Commando 4/15
Master And Commander ?/?

Disney / Buena Vista:
The Game Plan 1/22
Crimson Tide 2/5
The Rookie 3/4
Dan In Real Life 3/11
Hidalgo 4/1
Unbreakable 4/1
Coyote Ugly 4/1


Sony Pictures:
Monty Python's Life Of Brian
Daddy Day Camp 1/29
The Jane Austen Book Club 2/5
Across The Universe 2/5
We Own The Night 2/11
30 Days Of Night 2/26
Gattaca 3/11
Dogma 3/11

Warner Bro:
The Brave One 2/5
The Assassination Of Jesse James 2/5
No Reservations 2/12
Appleseed: Ex Machina 3/11
Bonnie And Clyde 3/25
Twister 5/6

MGM/UA:
Princess Bride ?/?
The Amityville Horror ?/?

I can not wait to own Crimson Tide, Independence Day and I Robot as far as Blu-ray that are scheduled for the next two months. There are some others I want as well but I am hoping to hear about some other release for 2008. I would love to see Lord Of The Rings come out this year but I have a feeling that we will not see it until 2009.

HD-DVD

Universal:
Elizabeth: The Golden Age 2/5
American Gangster 2/19
Fletch 3/11

Paramount:
Beowulf 2/26

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post #752 of 992
1/18/08 at 7:51am

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I second that "Amen" (and underscore it with the frustration borne of that certain delay-prone studio then releasing pricey BDs that don't port over all the supplemental material from the SD DVD).

And although we don't have a street yet, we can add Jack Ryan to the Q1 red slate.
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post #753 of 992
1/18/08 at 9:05am

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The disparity between BR releases and HD-dvd releases are more philosophy than anything else. Universal and Paramount are not big believers in catalog titles and thus far they have been right. I like catalog titles but I will admit the market is not there. It is a problem endemic to br and hd-dvd. The Warner catalog titles have not done very well with many selling less than 1,000 in combined br and hd-dvd sales.

As for the low hd-dvd sales, I'm not surprised. Many people are holding off. They are waiting to see what Toshiba does and whether they will fold. Also another reason is that very few people are buying warner titles which make up a good percentage. There are probably varied reasons. Some are likely holding out for firesales on Warner titles.

These weekly sales figures do not mean anything. It's just something to talk about. The only figures are Transformers, largest selling hd disc in exclusive releases and The Bourne Ultimatum which sold upwards of 200,000. The next critical numbers are Bee Movie and American Gangster. If these titles do well, it seems unlikely Paramount and Universal would end their relationship with hd-dvd.

Myself, I am angry with Warner's lies. I refuse to buy any more warner hd-dvd titles even if they gave them away. I will make do with my dvd copies. As a matter of fact, I have even cancelled any plans to buy Warner dvds for the time being.
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post #754 of 992
1/18/08 at 9:09am

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Originally Posted by FrancisP
Myself, I am angry with Warner's lies. I refuse to buy any more warner hd-dvd titles even if they gave them away. I will make do with my dvd copies. As a matter of fact, I have even cancelled any plans to buy Warner dvds for the time being.

Am I correct in assuming you are then "boycotting" any Paramount HD DVD releases? It seems to me they announced a bunch of Blu Ray titles with no intention of releasing them when going to HD immediately.
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post #755 of 992
1/18/08 at 9:14am

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Unlike last year, the lack of HD-DVD titles in Q1 is REALLY bad for Toshiba. This is the moment, post-Warner news, that they need to convince retailers to carry their product. How are they going to do that with 15-20% of the sales?

Releasing more titles in May-June means nothing if retailers aren't bothering to carry the format by then!

I just don't see how anyone can spin the 85:15 number and the release schedule for the next 7 weeks as anything positive for HD-DVD.
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post #756 of 992
1/18/08 at 10:13am

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No one can and no one does. But then again, this is not the spinmaster's site...


Cees
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post #757 of 992
1/18/08 at 10:16am

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Well, I was mainly responding to Francis' sentiment that this is mainly due to a difference in studio "philosophy" and that "These weekly sales figures do not mean anything."
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post #758 of 992
1/18/08 at 10:21am

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Brandon,

OK. That could be labeled as "playing it down", but not "giving it a positive spin". And Francis also provides us amply with arguments.


Cees
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post #759 of 992
1/18/08 at 10:26am

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Splitting hairs on semantics, I guess.

He does make logical counterpoints, but I don't think they are ones that retailers will be happy with, and that's the biggest hurdle for HD-DVD in Q1, IMO.
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post #760 of 992
1/18/08 at 11:06am

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You are talking about at least 21 catalog titles to one and it doesn't matter?
Let's say those 21 catalog titles sell 100 discs. The hd-dvd catalog title sells 500. You have a better than 4-1 margin for bluray even if the hd-dvd catalog title had a 5-1 advantage over other individual catalog titles.

I don't see major retailers dropping hd-dvd. They may cut back on space since hd-dvd is selling fewer titles. Also fewer dvds are being released so there is less space. Certainly first run features like Bee Movie and American Gangster will be available.

As to Paramount, what they did was nothing like Warner. Paramount did not release a press release saying they would not be going exclusive for a long time. Warner did release a statement saying that. As a matter of fact, the moderator on another forum contacted Warner's VP and another high ranking official even after the press release was sent out. They again adamently denied Warner was going exclusive. This was going on even while Warner was indeed negotiating exclusivety. Even while they were doing this they were encouraging people to buy the Harry Potter movies and Bladerunner. I know the br people want to muddy the water but the two situations are different.
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post #761 of 992
1/18/08 at 11:10am

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Originally Posted by FrancisP
Let's say those 21 catalog titles sell 100 discs. The hd-dvd catalog title sells 500. You have a better than 4-1 margin for bluray even if the hd-dvd catalog title had a 5-1 advantage over other individual catalog titles.

But even if that was true, that's still bad news for HD-DVD, because the overall perception is hurting them, and perception is a huge factor. I'm sure they'd prefer to win both per title and overall format sales rather than just per title.
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post #762 of 992
1/18/08 at 12:10pm

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The Since Inception # went up another tick from 62:38 to 63:37.
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post #763 of 992
1/18/08 at 12:10pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by FrancisP
As to Paramount, what they did was nothing like Warner. Paramount did not release a press release saying they would not be going exclusive for a long time. Warner did release a statement saying that. As a matter of fact, the moderator on another forum contacted Warner's VP and another high ranking official even after the press release was sent out. They again adamently denied Warner was going exclusive. This was going on even while Warner was indeed negotiating exclusivety. Even while they were doing this they were encouraging people to buy the Harry Potter movies and Bladerunner. I know the br people want to muddy the water but the two situations are different.

Do we really need to do some sort of tally to see which of them is actually worse/more evil/whatever??? Seems like a futile p@ssing contest, if you ask me. Neither of them are worth our emotional investment for that.

Personally, I'd much rather have Warner than Paramount as far as being a good studio for releasing quality content at a fair price...

_Man_
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post #764 of 992
1/18/08 at 12:23pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by FrancisP
Paramount did not release a press release saying they would not be going exclusive for a long time. Warner did release a statement saying that. As a matter of fact, the moderator on another forum contacted Warner's VP and another high ranking official even after the press release was sent out. They again adamently denied Warner was going exclusive. This was going on even while Warner was indeed negotiating exclusivety.
Warner was only asked if they were going exclusive after Paramount went without warning, and cold-turkey-exclusive to boot.
Warner gave hints to the public and to Toshiba before the holidays, IMHO so they could lessen the financial strain and give Toshiba time for clearance-sale-prices before Xmas.

Remember this October 30, 2007 thread: Warner to pick one format?
Quote:
Originally Posted by The High-Def Digest article
Silverberg went on to emphasize the Warner's strong Blu-ray sales, noting that the studio's Blu-ray release of '300' is the format's top selling disc. "We can definitely talk Blu-ray," said Silverberg. "We are committed to the format."
Taken together, a "commitment" to Blu-ray and re-evaluation of its dual-format policy would seem to suggest that if the studio did choose one format over the other, it would be Blu-ray, although it wasn't immediately clear whether that was the intent of Silverberg's remarks.
Post #96 of the HTF "Warner to pick one format" thread:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Hillenbrand
What we do know, is that Warner is studying the market and their intention is now made clear that they want ONLY one format.

This war talk is damaging and needs to be put in the proper place.

Of all the possibilities mentioned regarding the low "Clearance" price of the HD DVD players, is it possible that no one can see the forest because of all the trees? Think of the possibility that with such a liquidation price on all these units, Toshiba may be trying and Warner giving them time to salvage a miniscule part of their investment? Warner's warning could be one of impending doom for them and the need would be definitely there to use the time to man the lifeboats, before the format becomes a dinosaur.

Paul
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post #765 of 992
1/18/08 at 12:23pm

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HMM Jan 20 - Jan 26, 2008



Titles Released Jan 8, 2008
3:10 to Yuma (2007) (Lionsgate)
Con Air (Buena Vista)
Dragon Wars (Sony)
Killing Machine/Shogun's Ninja (BCI)
Man on Fire (Fox)
Night of the Werewolf/Vengeance of the Zombies (BCI)
The Rock (Buena Vista)
Sister Street Fighter/Sister Street Fighter 2 (BCI)
Sunshine (Fox)
Mobsters (Universal)
The Pianist (Universal)
White Noise (Universal)
White Noise 2 (Universal)
Zodiac: Director's Cut (Paramount)

Percentages
BD / HD
85 / 15 Week
74 / 26 Year
63 / 37 Since Inception

Top 10 Titles
1. 3:10 to Yuma Lionsgate
2. 300 Warner
3. Pirates: At World's End Disney
4. Resident Evil: Extinction Sony
5. Blood Diamond Warner
6. Harry Potter: Goblet of Fire Warner
7. War Lionsgate
8. GoodFellas Warner
9. Harry Potter: Prisoner Warner
10. Harry Potter: Sorcerer's Stone Warner

Number of Titles in Top 10
BD:10
HD:0

Weeks Won In 2008
Blu-ray 2 **
HD DVD 0
Weeks Won In 2007
Blu-ray 52
HD DVD 0
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post #766 of 992
1/18/08 at 12:43pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong
Do we really need to do some sort of tally to see which of them is actually worse/more evil/whatever???

Apparently, we do. So with that, here's my take: Paramount is more evil than Warner Bros., which is only quasi-evil in my book.

Quote:
Well it's true! It's true! You're semi-evil. You're quasi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil. Just one calorie, not evil enough.
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post #767 of 992
1/18/08 at 12:43pm

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But in mitigation (or aggravation, depending on how you look at it), Paul H., (more senior) WHV SVP Jim Noonan then said that (his junior exec) VP Silverberg's comments were "miscontrued" and re-affirmed WHV's dual commitment.
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post #768 of 992
1/18/08 at 12:51pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul.S
But in mitigation (or aggravation, depending on how you look at it), Paul H., a (more senior) WHV EVP then said that (his junior exec) VP Silverberg's comments were "miscontrued" and re-affirmed WHV's dual commitment.
All I can say to that is that Silverberg's implicational statements came to fruition.
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post #769 of 992
1/18/08 at 12:55pm

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Warner Says "We're Still Onboard with Both Formats" | High-Def Digest

And that could be completely incidental. My understanding of how the shift went down in early January is that no one--not even Jeff Bewkes, much less Ron Sanders or Noonan or Silverberg--could have known then. It was a late, fast and furious flurry influenced more by money than prior months of spitballing.
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post #770 of 992
1/18/08 at 1:38pm

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So, going a little further to finish out Q1 '08, things start looking better for HD-DVD in March. Here are the currently scheduled March releases from the 6 majors / 3 minors.

3/4

Ice Age (Fox)
Into the Wild (Paramount)
Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium (Fox)
The Rookie (2002) (Disney)
Things We Lost in the Fire (DreamWorks)

3/11

Appleseed Ex Machina (Warner)
Appleseed Ex Machina (Warner) (Possible 3-week delay ahead?)
August Rush (Warner) (HD-DVD arrives in Q2 on 4/1)
Bee Movie (DreamWorks)
Dan in Real Life (Disney)
Dogma (Sony)
Fletch (Universal)
Gattaca (Sony)
Hitman (Fox)
I, Robot (Fox)
Independence Day (Fox)
No Country for Old Men (Disney)
Saawariya (Sony)
Sleuth (2007) (Sony)

3/18

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (Warner) (BD already released on 2/5)
Enchanted (Disney)
I Am Legend (Warner) (HD-DVD arrives in Q2 on 4/8)
Justice League: The new Frontier (Warner) (BD already released on 2/26)
Steep (Sony)

3/25

Bonnie & Clyde (Warner)
Bonnie & Clyde (Warner) (Possible 3-week delay ahead?)
Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (Sony)

Also, Paramount has promised that the previously delayed Jack Ryan Collection (4 titles) and The Kite Runner will be released in Q1 '08 on HD-DVD.

So, assuming that the currently scheduled Warner titles from all of Q1 have no more delays, you have a 25:8 advantage for BD through the next 7 weeks, and a 19:13 advantage for the four weeks of March, which is MUCH more competitive, for a total of 44:21 for the remaining 15 weeks of Q1.

Of those 21, 3 are Warner titles that have been delayed 3 or 6 weeks as compared to their BD counterpart. Warner could theoretically delay another 6 titles, with 2 of them being pushed from Q1 if that happens.

In the first two weeks of the year, BD released 9 titles while HD-DVD released 5. That makes it 53:26 in favor of BD for all of Q1.

That's still only 17 titles for all of Q1 from Universal (7) and Paramount/DreamWorks (10).

EDIT: Just found out that Star Trek: The Original Series - Season Two (Paramount) has been delayed to "Summer 2008" (Link) and adjusted the numbers accordingly.
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post #771 of 992
1/18/08 at 2:01pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul.S
Warner Says "We're Still Onboard with Both Formats" | High-Def Digest

And that could be completely incidental. My understanding of how the shift went down in early January is that no one--not even Jeff Bewkes, much less Ron Sanders or Noonan or Silverberg--could have known then. It was a late, fast and furious flurry influenced more by money than prior months of spitballing.

After reading the Warner Says "We're Still Onboard with Both Formats" | High-Def Digest article, I've found more info @ the High-Def Digest site about the time frame of the article and some interesting viewpoint/arguments on why it wasn't a lie.

Info:
11-05-2007, 12:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterB. HDD Editor-in-Chief
Hey guys --

Just a note about the story. We were actually contacted by Warner Wednesday about getting us a statement to clear up matters. It just took a few days to schedule the time to speak, and have the transcript approved.

Given the "misconstrued and misquoted" comments, I certainly didn't want that to happen again, so we had the transcript verified of the chat, just to ensure the quotes were exact.

BTW, Warner initialy was going to have Ron Sander, president of Warner Home Entertainment, speak to us about the matter, but due to scheduling we were able to talk to Jim Noonan instead. So this was news coming down from the highest ranks of the studio...

Viewpoints:
11-06-2007, 08:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fettastic;
"Jim Noonan, SVP of Strategic Promotion and Communication for Warner Home Entertainment, spoke with High-Def-Digest. Here, he re-confirmed that they planned to stay on their HD neutral cause. On rumors that the studio was waiting for the 4th quarter to make a decision, he said "But right now, Warner Bros. has made no decision to change course. We are still onboard with both formats, and will continue in 2008 with a strong line-up of new releases and catalog titles, just as we have in the past in supporting HD DVD and Blu-ray."
Warner confirms titles on both formats in 2008 - DVDTOWN.com

So he's not denying that WB is waiting for 4th quarter results at all. He just said that as of right now, no final decision has been made.

Sure they have titles scheduled for 2008 because no final decision has been made. What, are they going to suspend work on all HDM until they decide what to do? Of course not.

Paramount actually released Blu-ray titles to reviewers before they decided to cut them.

Everything is exactly as it was when the VP first made those comments. All this spinning does is confirm what nobody questioned, that they haven't suspended work on either format because a final decision hasn't been made.
11-05-2007, 11:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fettastic;
Now that's what you call spin folks.

Silverberg never said any decision had been made, just that they were re-evaluating.

So after several days, the PR department comes out and says there hasn't been a decision. Well DUH!

But then they pile on the BS saying he was misquoted and miscontrued. No he wasn't! He's the Vice President of High definition Media at Warner Brothers! He knew exactly what he was saying. He was even very careful how he said it. However, people are smart and can read between the lines.

Then the PR department comes up with this straw man argument about 5 or 10 years in the future! Nobody said anything about that, but notice how they refuse to comment on the next few months, which is what we have been speculating about. Certainly a company of that magnitude can say what their plans are for the next few months and what variables they are dependant on.
11-05-2007, 11:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fettastic;
They PLAN to as of this moment in time because no other plan has been FINALIZED.

What their PR department is saying is technically true.

IF Christmas sales are slow for HD DVD, or Blu-ray for that matter, then they can say that "with this new information" they have made a finalized decision.

It's all smoke and mirror kids.
11-05-2007, 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fettastic
I've taken a class in PR so I know a little about how it works. Nothing in the original post says WB ISN'T re-evaluating it's dual format stance. The VP of HD media at WB says they ARE.

All the OP says is that no plans have been FINALIZED regarding going one format exclusive.

That's called spin folks. It's what makes the marketing world go 'round.

Paul
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post #772 of 992
1/18/08 at 2:06pm

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I don't think it is objective to equate Warner Blu-Ray day/date with Warner HD-DVD releases, due to their staggered release schedule. Aside from, the HD-DVD or die group, almost all other dual format customers will prefer to buy the Warner titles on Blu-Ray rather than wait for the HD-DVD. Thus the HD-DVD titles will not sell as much as they could/would have if they were released day/date.

Also, the fact is that it is the Day/Date New titles that make up the bulk of HDM sales. Therefore it is these releases that will majorly drive HDM sales and effect the Nielsen numbers. The catalog title sales are way too small to have any significant effect on the Neilsen numbers.

Title St. Date
Resident Evil: Extinction 01-02-08 Sony
Shoot 'Em Up 01-02-08 New Line
War 01-02-08 Lionsgate
3:10 To Yuma 01-08-08 Lionsgate
Dragon Wars 01-08-08 Sony
Sunshine 01-08-08 Fox
White Noise 2 01-08-08 Universal
Good Luck Chuck (Unrated) 01-15-08 Lionsgate
Mr. Woodcock 01-15-08 New Line
Game Plan, The 01-22-08 Disney
Saw IV 01-22-07 Lionsgate
Daddy Day Camp 01-29-08 Sony
Invasion, The 01-29-08 Warner 02-19-08
King Of California, The 01-29-08 First Look
Accross The Universe 02-05-08 Sony
Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The 02-05-08 Warner 03-18-08
Brave One 02-05-08 Warner 02-26-08
Elizabeth: The Golden Age 02-05-08 Universal
Jane Austen Book Club, The 02-05-08 Sony
Suburban Girl 02-05-08 Image
Becoming Jane 02-12-08 Miramax
Gone Baby Gone 02-12-08 Miramax
No Reservations 02-12-08 Warner 03-04-08
We Own the Night 02-12-08 Sony
American Gangster 02-19-08 Universal
In the Valley of Elah 02-19-08 Warner 03-11-08
Michael Clayton 02-19-08 Warner 03-11-08
30 Days Of Night 02-26-08 Sony
Beowulf 02-26-08 Paramount
Justice League: The New Frontier 02-26-08 Warner 03-18-08
Into The Wild 03-04-08 Paramount
Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium 03-04-08 Fox
Things We Lost in the Fire 03-04-08 Dreamworks
Appleseed Ex Machina 03-11-08 Warner 04-01-08
August Rush 03-11-08 Warner 04-01-08
Bee Movie 03-11-08 Dreamworks
Dan In Real Life 03-11-07 Touchstone
Hitman (Unrated Edition) 03-11-08 Fox
No Country For Old Men 03-11-08 Miramax
Saawariya 03-11-08 Sony
Sleuth 03-11-08 Sony
Enchanted 03-18-08 Disney
I Am Legend 03-18-08 Warner 04-08-08
Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story 03-25-08 Sony


January - March '08 Blu-Ray HD-DVD St. Date Warner Neilsen NPD 115132 76148
Day/Date New Titles 37 8 01-02-08 3 0 0 01-06-08 65% 35% 01-05-08 51% 49% 15257 14558
Exclusive 36 7 01-08-08 3 1 0 01-13-08 85% 15% 01-12-08 93% 7% 21770 1758
01-15-08 2 0 0 01-20-08 83% 17%
BBC 0 0 01-22-08 2 0 0
Disney 2 01-29-08 3 1 0
Dreamworks 2 02-05-08 5 1 0
First Look 1 1 02-12-08 4 0 0
Fox 3 02-19-08 2 1 1
HBO 0 02-26-08 2 1 1
Image 1 0 03-04-08 1 2 1
Lionsgate 4 03-11-08 7 1 2
MGM 0 03-18-08 2 0 2
Miramax 3 03-25-08 1 0 0
New Line 2 37 8 7
Paramount 2
Sony 10
Touchstone 1
Universal 3
Warner 10
Weinstein 0
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post #773 of 992
1/18/08 at 2:21pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

A few quibbles:

Re Pete's comment that ". . .this was news coming down from the highest ranks of the studio." Ron Sanders is not the "highest ranks of the studio"; Barry Meyer and Alan Horn are, and more importantly who they in turn report(ed) to, Richard Parsons and Jeff Bewkes.

And "Fettastic" is hardly a quote-worthy authority just because he's "taken a class in PR."

Now a little more 'substance':

I for one never said anyone is lying.

Whatever your point is, Paul H., it doesn't change the broader one I'm making, which is that everyone below Bewkes has plausible deniability based upon my understanding of how the decision was made. What Silverberg may or may not have been intimating, how Noonan was or was not engaged in damage control (and I find it interesting that, according to Pete, Sanders chose not to make himself available to make the 'clarifications'), and whether PR disingenuousness was or wasn't involved has little to do with the fact that none of these people made the final decision.

Whether something a party said months ago synchs up with what ultimately happened is coincidence, since it is my understanding that it all came very, very close to going the other way.
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post #774 of 992
1/18/08 at 2:36pm

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Aside from the HD-DVD or die group all other dual format customers will buy the Warner titles on Blu-Ray rather than wait for the HD-DVD.
Be careful with the totalizing language please. Although I see your point, there is an admittedly small group of "bi" people whose primary concern(s) in making their red vs. blue choice on dual format releases is/are audio and execution of supplements.

Training Day, Babel and Dreamgirls HD DVDs all have better audio than their BD counterparts.

The Order Of the Phoenix and Blood Diamond HD DVDs feature supplements as they were conceived to be enjoyed--"in band"--whereas they are executed differently/can only be viewed on an "a la carte" basis on BD.

I will be waiting for reviews before deciding which Jesse James I Netflix and which In the Valley Of Elah I buy.
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post #775 of 992
1/18/08 at 2:39pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul.S
I for one never said anyone is lying.
Sorry, mentioned that because of FrancisP's statement:
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrancisP
Myself, I am angry with Warner's lies.

Paul
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post #776 of 992
1/18/08 at 3:01pm

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Sanjay, some slight corrections for ya - Death Sentence was not released on BD last week, and King of California is First Look, not Warner.

You also have Buena Vista and Disney listed separately in the final totals listing.
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post #777 of 992
1/18/08 at 3:48pm

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Oh, I see. It should be obvious that I agree that that statement is a little overcooked.

But gee I hope those firesales you mentioned, Francis, do happen! I hadn't even though of that. Blade Runner, Eyes Wide Shut, Superman . . . Mmmmm.

Anyone have a link at their fingertips to Warner's reaffirmation of dual format commitment in December?
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post #778 of 992
1/18/08 at 4:31pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Sanjay, some slight corrections for ya - Death Sentence was not released on BD last week, and King of California is First Look, not Warner.

You also have Buena Vista and Disney listed separately in the final totals listing.
Thanks for the correction, I have updated my list accordingly. Buena Vista & Disney are technically seperate. Miramax & Touchstone are both labels under the Buena Vista banner.
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post #779 of 992
1/18/08 at 5:17pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul.S
Be careful with the totalizing language please. Although I see your point, there is an admittedly small group of "bi" people whose primary concern(s) in making their red vs. blue choice on dual format releases is/are audio and execution of supplements.
Sorry about that, I overlooked the very valid reasons that you give, as also being a criteria for some, to base their buying decision on.
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post #780 of 992
1/18/08 at 5:33pm

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Thanks.

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Buena Vista & Disney are technically seperate.
I'm not confident this is accurate, depending upon how you're using those names/to which corporate entities you're referring to. It's my understanding that Walt Disney Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, Touchstone and--with Walt Disney Company's acquisition of the company--Miramax are all brands distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment.
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