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post #571 of 992
11/30/07 at 4:58am

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http://www.imdb.com/news/sb/2007-11-29/#3

"Blu-ray Is High-Def Champ in Europe

In Europe, Blu-ray appears to be winning the competition against HD DVD handily, the Blu-Ray Disc Association European Promotions Committee boasted on Wednesday. It cited figures from Media Control GfK International that show Blu-ray discs accounting for 73 percent of high-definition discs sold in Europe and HD DVD lagging behind with just 27 percent. The Blu-ray group said the best selling titles were 300, Spider-Man 3, and Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End."

Let the debate begin!
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post #572 of 992
11/30/07 at 10:04am

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HMM Dec 2 - Dec 8, 2007

BD / HD
72 / 28 W
65 / 35 Y
62 / 38 SI

Top 5 Titles

1. Live Free or Die Hard BD 100.00
2. Open Season BD 49.75
3. Spidey 3 BD 36.67
4. Ratatouille BD 29.66
5. Shrek the Third HD 25.01

Number of Titles in Top 10
BD:8
HD:2
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post #573 of 992
11/30/07 at 11:34am

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Shrek in its 2nd week selling worse than Spider-Man 3 in its 4th week is not good news for HD-DVD. The Since Inception number going 62/38 doesn't help, either.

Open Season making a leap into 2nd place out of nowhere is very shocking.

Still no numbers for the previous week (ending 11/18)?
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post #574 of 992
11/30/07 at 11:39am

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Sony was running some Open Season BD free with certain purchase promos at Best Buy and possibly other stores.
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post #575 of 992
11/30/07 at 11:43am

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That would explain it.
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post #576 of 992
11/30/07 at 12:26pm

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Interesting dueling strategies.

Toshiba is practically giving away the players to catch up with Sony's lead with the PS3. Toshiba's advantage is HD-DVD has the better overall attachment rate per player sold as shown by BluRay not leading at least 6:1 early on with a 2 million BluRay install base.

Sony is trying to sell movies dirt cheap to show PS3 owners that their game machine is a highdef player also and worth buying BluRay movie versions vs. DVD. This general strategy could work well for them because all you need is one PS3 owner to get a bunch of movies and then loan them out to their other PS3 owning friends. They've got the players in the market place, now they just have to get the owners to use it as BluRay player also and buy the movies (at full price though).

The question now is "Who gets there first?" and "Does it make a dang bit of difference?".
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post #577 of 992
11/30/07 at 12:48pm

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I can't interpret the weekly sales numbers, I would say that overall it looks bad for HD-DVD. But in my case, I definitely have been purchasing much more blu-ray movies over the past few months, mainly because of the continuous Buy 1 Get 1 Free sales that are always running for Blu-ray.

As soon as HD-DVD has a Buy 1 Get 1 Free sale running at all the big name vendors, I think you'll see the sales gap disappear. I have a bunch of HD-DVD titles that I want that I'm not willing to pay $18 to $20 for. At Amazon and Fry's, I was able to buy dozens of Blu-ray movies between $8 to $10.
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post #578 of 992
11/30/07 at 2:00pm

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Ditto.
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post #579 of 992
11/30/07 at 2:28pm

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I have a bunch of HD-DVD titles that I want that I'm not willing to pay $18 to $20 for. At Amazon and Fry's, I was able to buy dozens of Blu-ray movies between $8 to $10.

I would not count on movies between $8 to $10 being the norm for HD movies. The DVD format has gotten to the point where the profit margin keeps getting slimer and IMHO that is one of the reasons why studios what HD to take DVD's place. Because they can incress there profit margins on the movies. I think alot of people have gotten use to getting movies dirt cheap on DVD and now they do not want to pay more for the better formats. These movies have to be remastered to HD video and audio and it is not cheap. I have no problem paying more for HD quality movies as long as the studios do not overcharge us. I have no problem paying $20 - $35 for a release as long as it is a top quality release. There has to be a fair ballance between what we pay and how much is charged so that the studios can make money on HD. That is the only way we will see an increase in HD releases if studios make money on this format.

I feel that HD is a very good value for the money as far as software goes. Hardware prices still need to come down so that the average joe will be more tempted to purchase a hd player. There are more and more people buying HDTV's so there are plenty of HD sets out there for these HD movies to be played on. I have no problem if the cost of software comes down alittle as long as it does not hurt the format to do so. Studios need to make money so that they will want to go invest in remastering older movies and offering us new ones in HD. I know that there are some here that would embrase HD downloads. But I would hate to see HD discs get replaced by HD downloads. I for one would not download HD content as I feel it is a waste of money. Does anyone here want to trust there PC with there HD library that they have downloaded? I like having a physical copy on the shelf that should not get corupted by viruses or disapear because the hard drive takes a dump. We will see movies between $8 to $10 every once in a while until the HD market catches on and they are not cutting cost to tempt us into buying into the format. One thing is for certain and that is the format war can not go on for to long or it will have a very negative impact on the HD market. The game counsouls have been able to coexist but the audio/video market does not do well with competing formats. At least in the long run dual formats do not do well, in the begining it helps drive down hardware cost. But in the long run it only hurts both formats that are trying to become the next big thing in home entertainment.
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post #580 of 992
11/30/07 at 2:44pm

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Originally Posted by Dave Moritz
I would not count on movies between $8 to $10 being the norm for HD movies. The DVD format has gotten to the point where the profit margin keeps getting slimer and IMHO that is one of the reasons why studios what HD to take DVD's place. Because they can incress there profit margins on the movies. I think alot of people have gotten use to getting movies dirt cheap on DVD and now they do not want to pay more for the better formats.

If they want to start selling HD discs in reasonable numbers, they're going to have to consider pricing. The simple fact is that only a very tiny percentage of consumers are willing to pay $30 for an HD disc instead of $15 for a DVD, even if they own equipment capable of taking advantage of it.

I expect that HD disc pricing will start to work like DVD new releases have been -- full price at first, with some release-week sales, and then occasional bargain sales (like Target's rotation of $10 titles) after a year or two.
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post #581 of 992
11/30/07 at 5:00pm

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Originally Posted by Dave Moritz
I would not count on movies between $8 to $10 being the norm for HD movies.

I feel that HD is a very good value for the money as far as software goes.
My point was that Blu-Ray sales are going to be 2:1 or 3:1 if Blu-ray discs sell for $9.99 and HD-DVD discs sell for $19.99 at all of the retail stores (which is what has been happening this past month or two). Only when the pricing is on par with each other can we truly tell what the actual sales ratio is (has anybody tracked 2001 Blu-ray vs HD-DVD, for example?)

At $20 to $30, I'm much more selective on what titles I purchase versus just renting the title to watch. At the $8 to $10 price, I'll pick up titles that I think might be fun to have in my collection (e.g Underworld). Although I own maybe 60 or 70 HD-DVDs, there are many more that I would buy if there were similar Buy 1 Get 1 sales.
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post #582 of 992
11/30/07 at 5:33pm

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At $20 to $30, I'm much more selective on what titles I purchase versus just renting the title to watch. At the $8 to $10 price, I'll pick up titles that I think might be fun to have in my collection (e.g Underworld).

I understand Perry I am actually in the same boat. I am not making alot of money and I am very selective about what I buy. I buy the titles that I really want and if I find sales I buy the fun titles like you do. The thing that will suck is that I will be deverting all HD movie funds to saving up for a Denon AVR-3808ci and I hope to bring it home May 9th, 2008. Then I can try and buy some more HD titles then save up for a Denon DVD-2500BT. Dam this hobby is exspensive!
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post #583 of 992
12/1/07 at 12:24pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BrettB
HMM Dec 2 - Dec 8, 2007

BD / HD
72 / 28 W
65 / 35 Y
62 / 38 SI

Top 5 Titles

1. Live Free or Die Hard BD 100.00
2. Open Season BD 49.75
3. Spidey 3 BD 36.67
4. Ratatouille BD 29.66
5. Shrek the Third HD 25.01

Number of Titles in Top 10
BD:8
HD:2

Ouch. How long can this go on?

BluRay outselling HD-DVD 2 to1 and more is obviously not a blip.
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post #584 of 992
12/1/07 at 7:18pm

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Bourn Ultimatum will be huge for HD-DVD.


It posted a $200 million gross, $70 more than Live Free or Die Hard, and is a popular HD-DVD franchise so to speak.

It hits every major Hi Def demographic.


It helps HD-DVD somewhat. Ha, but seriously Live Free or Die Hard, Pirates, Spider Man, Ratatouille, what did everyone expect?

The releases just aren't there to compete. This isn't a defense of HD-DVD obviously. Why would you want a format that just isn't supplying you the same amount of releases. Well, studios shift in power from year to year, so it's not the final straw.

I think that early 2008 looks more in HD-DVD favor.
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post #585 of 992
12/1/07 at 8:25pm

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So far in Q4 HD releases Blu-ray has the lead IMHO. It is looking good for Blu-ray for Q1 as well judging by the titles coming out. It is totally possible that it could be a draw between the two depending on how many blockbusters come out on both formats in 2008? I think we need to be prepared for this format war to go on alot longer than it should. It was great in the begining because it helped hardware cost come down quickly. But in the long run it can only serve to scare consumers away from HD players. It will be interesting to see if HD-DVD gets enough must have titles that Blu-ray does not.
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post #586 of 992
12/2/07 at 3:51am

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The combo players will end the "war" (-aspect) quickly and peacefully.


Cees
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post #587 of 992
12/2/07 at 11:58am

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Shrek in its 2nd week selling worse than Spider-Man 3 in its 4th week is not good news for HD-DVD.
That in itself is quite telling, actually. Specially considering that 'Shrek The Third' came in at No. 2 on the DVD sales chart and 'Spider-Man 3' could not even make it to the top 20 on the DVD sales chart. Also, Shrek the Third was beaten to the top spot on the DVD sales chart by 'Live Free or Die Hard' by a whisker (approx 2.5 %) only. Thus, 'Spider-Man 3' making it to No. 3 on the HD sales chart in it's 4th week, while 'Shrek the Third' manages only a 5th place in it's 2nd week, is quite a big deal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Open Season making a leap into 2nd place out of nowhere is very shocking.
My reaction to that was, "What the XXXX?, Where in the hell did that come from?" By the way it has been clarified in the past, that mail in freebies, package inserts etc. are not included in Neilsen/Videoscan numbers. Thus making this evermore astonishing and unbelievable. Actually if one were to look at the DVD sales chart for the week, it might help explain this a bit. 'Ocean's Thirteen' in it's 2nd week along with 'Spider-Man 3' dissapears from the Top 20 DVD sales chart, while 13 catalog titles magically reappear in the Top 20. Maybe, what caused the upset in the DVD sales chart is also responsible for the 'almost' shocking appearance of 'Open Season' at No. 2 on the HD sales chart.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
However, we still have no numbers the week Shrek came out (11/13), but those should be available tomorrow.
I too was looking forward to seeing the numbers for the week 'Shrek the Third' came out, but so far, 'no show'. Also, what would be interesting to know is the actual unit numbers sold, for titles like Ratatouille, Shrek The 3rd etc.
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post #588 of 992
12/2/07 at 12:45pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Averry
The releases just aren't there to compete. This isn't a defense of HD-DVD obviously. Why would you want a format that just isn't supplying you the same amount of releases. Well, studios shift in power from year to year, so it's not the final straw.

I think that early 2008 looks more in HD-DVD favor.
One of the major boasting points for Blu-Ray right from the outset has been, greater studio support. This ultimately translates into more releases and thus choices available on Blu-Ray and this is something that is not going to change anytime soon, if ever.

Shift in box office power for studios from year to year is to be expected but the overall balance of power, due to the number of studios and thus total releases, will keep the balance in Blu-Ray's favor. This past year was actually a very strong one for Paramount/Dreamworks but that does not seem to have made much of a difference in the overall Blu-Ray lead over HD-DVD. Thus, unless something drastic were to happen, like say Warner going HD-DVD exclusive, things are looking to be quite the same, atleast for the early part of the coming year. By the way, I am not in any way suggesting Warner is going exclusive HD-DVD, actually it would be hard to imagine them dropping Blu-Ray given the current state of the HD wars. But then again, if Paramount/Dreamworks can come up with lame excuses to jump ship, who is to say what may or may not happen.

For your consideration:

TitleSt. Date
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End 12-04-07Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Superbad (Unrated Extended Edition)12-04-07Blu-RaySony
December Boys12-11-07
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix12-11-07Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
Interview12-11-07
The Bourne Ultimatum12-11-07HD-DVDUniversal
Balls of Fury12-18-07HD-DVDUniversal
Illegal Tender12-18-07
Once12-18-07
Stardust12-18-07HD-DVDParamount/Dreamworks
The Simpsons Movie12-18-07Blu-Ray20th Century Fox
Underdog12-18-07Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Eastern Promises12-26-07HD-DVDUniversal
Living and Dying 12-26-07
Rush Hour 312-26-07Blu-RayNew Line
Shattered12-26-07
The Heartbreak Kid12-26-07HD-DVDParamount/Dreamworks
The Kingdom12-26-07HD-DVDUniversal
Resident Evil: Extinction01-02-08Blu-RaySony
September Dawn01-02-08
Shoot 'Em Up01-02-08Blu-RayNew Line
War01-02-08Blu-RayLionsgate
3:10 To Yuma01-08-08Blu-RayLionsgate
Death Sentence01-08-08Blu-Ray20th Century Fox
Dragon Wars01-08-08Blu-RaySony
Joshua01-08-08
Sunshine01-08-08Blu-Ray20th Century Fox
The Invasion01-08-08Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
Dragonlance01-15-08
Good Luck Chuck (Unrated)01-15-08Blu-RayLionsgate
He Was A Quiet Man01-15-08
The Ten01-15-08
Mr. Woodcock01-15-08Blu-RayNew Line
Rendition01-15-08
Suburban Girl01-15-08Blu-RayImage Entertainment
The Utopian Society01-15-08
Wedding Daze01-15-08
Adrift In Manhattan (Unrated)01-22-08
Reservation Road 01-22-08
Sydney White01-22-08
Saw IV01-22-07Blu-RayLionsgate
Sex And Breakfast01-22-08
The Game Plan01-22-08Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Charm School (Spanish)01-29-08
Daddy Day Camp01-29-08Blu-RaySony
Feel The Noise01-29-08
Hannah Montana: One in a Million 01-29-08
Rocket Science01-29-08
Sand & Sorrow01-29-08
The Comebacks01-29-08
The King Of California01-29-08Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
The Nines01-29-08
2 Days In Paris02-05-08
Accross The Universe02-05-08Blu-RaySony
Americanizing Shelley02-05-08
Brave One02-05-08Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
Elizabeth: The Golden Age02-05-08HD-DVDUniversal
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford02-05-08
The Jane Austen Book Club02-05-08Blu-RaySony
Lust, Caution (Se-jie)02-10-08
Becoming Jane02-12-08Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Gone Baby Gone02-12-08Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Into The Wild02-12-08HD-DVDParamount/Dreamworks
No Reservations02-12-08Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
Romance and Cigarettes 02-12-08
Three Can Play That Game 02-12-08
We Own the Night 02-12-08Blu-RaySony
30 Days Of Night02-19-08Blu-RaySony
Barbie Mariposa02-26-08
Pinochet's Last Stand02-26-08
Resurrecting The Champ02-26-08
Silk02-26-08
The Rage02-26-08
December 2007 - February 2008DVDBlu-RayHD-DVD
Total Titles732913
Exclusive Titles36248
20th Century Fox3
Image Entertainment1
Lionsgate4
MGM
New Line3
Paramount/Dreamworks3
Sony8
Universal5
Walt Disney/Buena Vista5
Warner55
January - February 2008DVDBlu-RayHD-DVD
Total Titles55236
Exclusive Titles30192
20th Century Fox2
Image Entertainment1
Lionsgate4
MGM
New Line2
Paramount/Dreamworks1
Sony7
Universal1
Walt Disney/Buena Vista3
Warner44


PS: It's interesting to note, that HD-DVD actually has more 'new' titles releasing in December than Blu-Ray. But the HD releases slate for Jan-Feb '08, atleast from what has been announced so far, does not look good for HD-DVD at all. Atleast as far as number of titles to be released is concerned, that is.
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post #589 of 992
12/2/07 at 3:03pm

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Ugh. Having just bought an HD-DVD player a week ago... this may be my least favorite thread! The HD-DVD friendly studios need to get out a lot more exclusive product. I hope some good stuff starts appearing soon.
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post #590 of 992
12/2/07 at 3:21pm

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Originally Posted by Ric Easton
Ugh. Having just bought an HD-DVD player a week ago... this may be my least favorite thread! The HD-DVD friendly studios need to get out a lot more exclusive product. I hope some good stuff starts appearing soon.

Well given that you have almost 2 years of catching up to do with some pretty good titles out there...

Unless you bought them all at once!

Doug
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post #591 of 992
12/2/07 at 5:42pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cees Alons
The combo players will end the "war" (-aspect) quickly and peacefully.


Cees


are you serious?

look at the prices... it's cheaper to buy separate standalone players.

MAYBE if the combo players go mainstream and prices drop to the $199 range within a year, which they won't.
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post #592 of 992
12/2/07 at 7:19pm

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Originally Posted by Adam_R
are you serious?

look at the prices... it's cheaper to buy separate standalone players.

MAYBE if the combo players go mainstream and prices drop to the $199 range within a year, which they won't.

Actually I think they will. Eventually all players will play all formats, just like now all DVD players play all formats of burnable DVDs, MP3s, WMAs, Picture CDs, Divx codec files, etc....etc.

I think there will come a point when you just go buy a media player that will play all optical formats, and probably have a card reader that will read flash cards and USB drives.

Doug
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post #593 of 992
12/2/07 at 8:23pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
Well given that you have almost 2 years of catching up to do with some pretty good titles out there...

Unless you bought them all at once!

Doug

At the rate some of these latest promotions are going he might have gotten the entire catalog for free with the player.
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post #594 of 992
12/6/07 at 10:42am

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The titles announced for Jan-Feb do not look good for either side. None of these titles are blockbusters. None made over $100M. The Game Plan is the highest grosser at $87M. Saw IV came in next at $63M. 3:10 to Yuma grossed
$53M. None of the other titles made over $50M. I don't see any of these titles moving Spiderman 3 or Transformer type numbers.
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post #595 of 992
12/6/07 at 11:24am

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I am not sure what the following titles grossed at the box office but I would consider them to be big releases.

January to February 2008

Blu-ray
The Rock
Man On Fire
Wall Street
Crimson Tide
Twister
Master & Commander: Far Side Of The World
Legends Of The Fall
Independence Day
Glory

HD-DVD
The Pianist
Twister

Granted that HD-DVD does not look as strong for the 1st quarter. But there are some stong titles coming out, at least on Blu-ray. I expected much more from the HD-DVD camp! I guess my Blu-ray player is going to get alot more use than my HD-DVD player will next year.
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post #596 of 992
12/6/07 at 1:49pm

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What you are talking about are catalog sales. That is a big question mark in HD. Thus far the business has been almost entirely hit driven or sale driven.
Newly released hit movies have done very well. Big discounts have also driven sales. Catalog titles have not done very well. So how well these titles will do is very questionable.
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post #597 of 992
12/6/07 at 2:50pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by FrancisP
What you are talking about are catalog sales. That is a big question mark in HD. Thus far the business has been almost entirely hit driven or sale driven.
Newly released hit movies have done very well. Big discounts have also driven sales. Catalog titles have not done very well. So how well these titles will do is very questionable.
Even if you were to only consider 'New' (non catalog) titles scheduled for release for January - February '08, the balance is very heavily tilted in favor of Blu-Ray.


January - February 2008 DVD Blu-Ray HD-DVD
Total Titles 55 23 6
Exclusive Titles 30 19 2


For title details, please refer to my earlier post # 588 http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...&postcount=588

One must also consider the rental market, although these titles may not sell too many copies since none of them are major blockbusters, they will definately generatea lot of rentals since not too many people have seen these films in the theaters. Thus, 19 exclusive new Blu-Ray titles compared to 2 exclusive HD-DVD titles really puts someone with only a HD-DVD player at a real disadvantage interms of HD viewing options. Personally I think along with sales, this lack of choices for HD-DVD rentals and much greater choice and options for Blu-Ray, is also going to take it's toll in this HD format war.
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post #598 of 992
12/6/07 at 7:21pm

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I really doubt that rental companies are going to buy that many copies of films that did not do very well at the box office. They are likely to figure that if people didn't want to see it at theaters, people are not going to be rushing to rent it. They are likely to buy very few copies initially.

blu-ray titles
4 titles 0-10M
5 titles 11-20M
3 titles 21-30M
1 title 31-40M
1 title 40-50M
1 title 50-60M
1 title 60-70M
1 title 70-80M

Over half of the bluray exclusives made less than $20M. I just don't see a lot of sales from that. I think it's going to be a cold winter for both formats. They may have to have more sales to push product.
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post #599 of 992
12/6/07 at 11:26pm

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Quote:
Originally Posted by FrancisP
I really doubt that rental companies are going to buy that many copies of films that did not do very well at the box office. They are likely to figure that if people didn't want to see it at theaters, people are not going to be rushing to rent it. They are likely to buy very few copies initially.

blu-ray titles
4 titles 0-10M
5 titles 11-20M
3 titles 21-30M
1 title 31-40M
1 title 40-50M
1 title 50-60M
1 title 60-70M
1 title 70-80M

Over half of the bluray exclusives made less than $20M. I just don't see a lot of sales from that. I think it's going to be a cold winter for both formats. They may have to have more sales to push product.


On the other hand there have been a number of films that did not do well at the box office, but became hits on home video. Some even so successful that a sequel was made.

Some films have target audiences that just don't goto the theater much anymore.

Doug
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post #600 of 992
12/7/07 at 6:51am

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Moritz
I am not sure what the following titles grossed at the box office but I would consider them to be big releases.

January to February 2008

Blu-ray
The Rock
Man On Fire
Wall Street
Crimson Tide
Twister
Master & Commander: Far Side Of The World
Legends Of The Fall
Independence Day
Glory

HD-DVD
The Pianist
Twister

Granted that HD-DVD does not look as strong for the 1st quarter. But there are some stong titles coming out, at least on Blu-ray. I expected much more from the HD-DVD camp! I guess my Blu-ray player is going to get alot more use than my HD-DVD player will next year.


Well, Twister got moved to May on both formats anyways, and Zodiac comes out January 8th, so I know you missed that.


I guess I"m just looking at the movies that are in theaters right now. Bee Movie, American Gangster, Beowulf.

I'll only buy American Gangster, but it's a decent slate for now. The question of what catalog titles does definately come into play.
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