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post #541 of 992
11/19/07 at 7:25am

Re: New Advertising Campaign from Blu-ray against HD DVD

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Originally Posted by Jari K
Lol. Gotta love some of your comments.. Yeah, PS3 owners "don´t know what Blu-ray is", sure..

I think it was Sony themselves that did a study that found that something like 60% of PS3 owners had no idea that it had a blu-ray player. And most of those didn't know what blu-ray was. This would make sense if you consider that blu-ray has only ever managed a 2 to 1 sales advantage, when is should be something like 12 to 1.

I don't remember the exact figures but it was something in that neighborhood.

Doug
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post #542 of 992
11/19/07 at 7:49am

Re: New Advertising Campaign from Blu-ray against HD DVD

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
..something like 60% of PS3 owners had no idea that it had a blu-ray player.

That´s just BS. I do remember the old thread etc, but I didn´t believe it then and I certainly don´t believe it now. If you´ve PS3, you know that it´s also a BD-player.. It´s another question that does that BD mean anything, if you´re a serious gamer etc.

Next anti-PS3 quote, please? Sony perhaps stole somebody's wife?
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post #543 of 992
11/19/07 at 8:41am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

I agree that the 60% figure is bogus, unless of course that number is for worldwide ownership (undoubtedly, blu-ray is less common in some countries than others).

I think the more revealing figure would be just how many PS3s are actually hooked up to a high-def set. Those who do not have an HDTV are probably not buying blu-ray discs since the difference between it and DVD would not be apparent on a standard 480i monitor.
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post #544 of 992
11/19/07 at 10:10am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

I remember seeing a story that Sony was trying to educate PS3 owners that it can be used as a blu-ray player. Certainly the fact that they are including bluray movies with PS3 is evidence that the majority of owners either are not aware or do not use them as bluray players.
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post #545 of 992
11/19/07 at 10:17am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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Originally Posted by FrancisP
Certainly the fact that they are including bluray movies with PS3 is evidence that the majority of owners either are not aware or do not use them as bluray players.

Yes, because it can't possibly be the standard practice of bundling something to try and help sell a console, right?
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post #546 of 992
11/19/07 at 10:47am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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Originally Posted by FrancisP
Certainly the fact that they are including bluray movies with PS3 is evidence that the majority of owners either are not aware or do not use them as bluray players.
It was a fact that the XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on included an HD DVD of King Kong. It wasn't included because the "majority of owners [were] not aware or [did] not use them as [HD DVD] players."

Paul
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post #547 of 992
11/19/07 at 11:05am

Re: New Advertising Campaign from Blu-ray against HD DVD

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Originally Posted by Jari K
That´s just BS. I do remember the old thread etc, but I didn´t believe it then and I certainly don´t believe it now.
Actually it was not a quote from Sony, but a survey run by NPD.
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More interesting numbers are coming up from NPD, as 1Up got a hold of the group's "Next-Gen Functionality & Usage" report. Some 6,620 people were asked to answer NPD's survey online. To be eligible, they had to be 6-44 years old and own a next-gen console.

Results have surfaced, listing 40% of PS3 owners that know of their console's Blu-ray player. Half of those who were aware of the feature never watched Blu-ray movies on the machine. Some look down on anything not HD as a thing in the past, but 50% of PS3 owners don't even know what high-def is all about.
As I recall, there was another survey run that had basically the same results.

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If you´ve PS3, you know that it´s also a BD-player.. It´s another question that does that BD mean anything, if you´re a serious gamer etc.
You know, every car on the road has turn signals, but I have noticed most drivers don't use them. Is that because they don't know they have them? Or they know they have them and don't care? Hmmmm.
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post #548 of 992
11/19/07 at 11:09am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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Originally Posted by Paul Hillenbrand
It was a fact that the XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on included an HD DVD of King Kong. It wasn't included because the "majority of owners [were] not aware or [did] not use them as [HD DVD] players."

Paul
You mean it can play movies?????
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post #549 of 992
11/19/07 at 1:40pm

Re: New Advertising Campaign from Blu-ray against HD DVD

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Originally Posted by bigluigi
If you knew more history you would know what the "big deal" is.
This is the absolute lowest form of propaganda and whoever is resposible should identify themselves. If the BDA group is behind this, they should issue an immediate apology.
Demeaning a class of consumers just because they purchased another product goes beyond callousness.

No one should take this lightly.

I'm not sure if you're being serious or joking, but if you are being serious. . .dude, you are taking this stuff WAY TOO SERIOUSLY!!!

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post #550 of 992
11/19/07 at 1:49pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

I have definitely noticed more and better sales on BD discs lately than on HD-DVD discs, although it seems to be evening out.

The reason for that, I can only speculate. Either they're trying to offset HD-DVD's cheaper hardware costs or they're simply trying to boost sales.

Say, did someone just mention a new Cloverfield trailer? . . .
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post #551 of 992
11/19/07 at 3:33pm

Re: New Advertising Campaign from Blu-ray against HD DVD

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Originally Posted by Jari K
Next anti-PS3 quote, please? Sony perhaps stole somebody's wife?

No...stole....that would be ridiculous, but I have noticed the PS3 seems to be staring at her an awful lot.


Maybe I have just been up too late playing games and watching movies (I'm glad they bundled a movie so I new it could play them ).
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post #552 of 992
11/20/07 at 5:42am

Re: New Advertising Campaign from Blu-ray against HD DVD

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Originally Posted by ppltd
You know, every car on the road has turn signals, but I have noticed most drivers don't use them. Is that because they don't know they have them? Or they know they have them and don't care? Hmmmm.

Hehe, too true.
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post #553 of 992
11/20/07 at 5:53am

Re: New Advertising Campaign from Blu-ray against HD DVD

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Originally Posted by DavidJ
No...stole....that would be ridiculous, but I have noticed the PS3 seems to be staring at her an awful lot.

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post #554 of 992
11/22/07 at 1:02pm

List of DVD/Blu-Ray/HD-DVD releases for the perod Nov '07 - Feb '08

I was putting together a list of 'NEW' (not catalog) titles announced on DVD for the period November '07 thru February '08. To make it easier for me to pre-order titles I decided to also mark which titles were also announced for simultaneous release on Blu-Ray. For the heck of it, I made a note of which title's were scheduled for release on HD-DVD also. After I was done, I was genuinely surprised. I really would never have guessed that there would be such a huge imbalance in titles announced for the two respective HD formats. After having carried out this excercise it becomes so clear why it was paramount, pun intended, for HD-DVD to make 'the deal' with Paramount/Dreamworks. Anyhow, for those that might be interested I am listing the titles below:

TitleSt. Date
Heaven's Fall11-06-07
I Now Pronounce You Chuck & Larry 11-06-07HD-DVDUniversal
Pixar Short Films Collection - Volume 111-06-07Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Ratataouille11-06-07Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Amazing Grace11-13-07
Ocean's Thirteen11-13-07Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
Shrek The Third11-13-07HD-DVDParamount/Dreamworks
Hairspray11-20-07Blu-RayNew Line
Live Free Or Die Hard (Unrated Edition): Die Hard 411-20-07Blu-Ray20th Century Fox
Rescue Dawn11-20-07Blu-RayMGM
Stir Of Echoes 2: The Homecoming11-20-07
The Santa Clause 3 - The Escape Clause11-20-07Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
First Snow11-27-07
Hot Rod11-27-07HD-DVDParamount/Dreamworks
I Know Who Killed Me11-27-07Blu-RaySony
Mr. Bean's Holiday11-27-07HD-DVDUniversal
Skinwalkers11-27-07
Waitress11-27-07
Whisper11-27-07
Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End 12-04-07Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Superbad (Unrated Extended Edition)12-04-07Blu-RaySony
December Boys12-11-07
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix12-11-07Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
Interview12-11-07
The Bourne Ultimatum12-11-07HD-DVDUniversal
Balls of Fury12-18-07HD-DVDUniversal
Illegal Tender12-18-07
Once12-18-07
Stardust12-18-07HD-DVDParamount/Dreamworks
The Simpsons Movie12-18-07Blu-Ray20th Century Fox
Underdog12-18-07Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Eastern Promises12-26-07HD-DVDUniversal
Living and Dying 12-26-07
Rush Hour 312-26-07Blu-RayNew Line
Shattered12-26-07
The Heartbreak Kid12-26-07HD-DVDParamount/Dreamworks
The Kingdom12-26-07HD-DVDUniversal
Resident Evil: Extinction01-02-08Blu-RaySony
September Dawn01-02-08
Shoot 'Em Up01-02-08Blu-RayNew Line
War01-02-08Blu-RayLionsgate
3:10 To Yuma01-08-08Blu-RayLionsgate
Death Sentence01-08-08Blu-Ray20th Century Fox
Dragon Wars01-08-08Blu-RaySony
Joshua01-08-08
Sunshine01-08-08Blu-Ray20th Century Fox
The Invasion01-08-08Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
Dragonlance01-15-08
Good Luck Chuck (Unrated)01-15-08Blu-RayLionsgate
He Was A Quiet Man01-15-08
The Ten01-15-08
Mr. Woodcock01-15-08Blu-RayNew Line
Rendition01-15-08
Suburban Girl01-15-08Blu-RayImage Entertainment
The Utopian Society01-15-08
Wedding Daze01-15-08
Adrift In Manhattan (Unrated)01-22-08
Saw IV01-22-07Blu-RayLionsgate
Sex And Breakfast01-22-08
The Game Plan01-22-08Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Daddy Day Camp01-29-08Blu-RaySony
Feel The Noise01-29-08
The Nines01-29-08
Rocket Science01-29-08
The King Of California01-29-08Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
2 Days In Paris02-05-08
Accross The Universe02-05-08Blu-RaySony
Americanizing Shelley02-05-08
Brave One02-05-08Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
The Jane Austen Book Club02-05-08Blu-RaySony
Becoming Jane02-12-08Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Gone Baby Gone02-12-08Blu-RayWalt Disney/Buena Vista
Into The Wild02-12-08HD-DVDParamount/Dreamworks
No Reservations02-12-08Blu-RayHD-DVDWarner
Pinochet's Last Stand02-26-08
Resurrecting The Champ02-26-08
The Rage02-26-08
DVDBlu-RayHD-DVD
Total Titles763517
Exclusive Titles302911
20th Century Fox4
Image Entertainment1
Lionsgate4
MGM1
New Line4
Paramount/Dreamworks5
Sony7
Universal6
Walt Disney/Buena Vista8
Warner66


PS: The information presented here is correct to the best of my knowledge. I do not claim for it to be a 100% complete and/or accurate.
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post #555 of 992
11/22/07 at 3:32pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

I find it amusing how much passion there seems to be over each format. It's almost as bad as the old DIVX loathing, although in this case neither side is inherently evil.

The best thing for me about this format war is that there appears to be no reason to buy in yet, thereby saving me money on both HD and SD purchases I won't make with HD equivalents.

Blu Ray has more titles (although very few I would buy), but the players are far too costly for me to consider. HD DVD has an easier entry price for players, but again, apart from maybe a handful of titles, nothing I'm all that eager to buy, since I already have everything on DVD, even if the version is not as good.

I'm still not seeing Blu Ray as the long term winner, as it does not appear that they can manufacture either the hardware or software inexpensively enough - IMO they need to be able to build a player for under $20 for the format to succeed (with a $49 selling price), and HD DVD is easier to replicate.

I really don't care who wins as long as media and players are cheap enough and reliable enough to warrant buying. I'm not convinced either of these formats has longevity when it comes to reliable playback given the failure rates I'm seeing on the far less demanding DVD format.
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post #556 of 992
11/22/07 at 9:44pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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I'm still not seeing Blu Ray as the long term winner, as it does not appear that they can manufacture either the hardware or software inexpensively enough - IMO they need to be able to build a player for under $20 for the format to succeed (with a $49 selling price), and HD DVD is easier to replicate.

People unwilling to spend more than $50 for a player aren't people willing enough to buy picture and sound equipment worth the upgrade to hi-def in the first place. If either format becomes wal*mart junk then they've lost even if they have won.
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post #557 of 992
11/23/07 at 4:46am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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People unwilling to spend more than $50 for a player aren't people willing enough to buy picture and sound equipment worth the upgrade to hi-def in the first place.

I know plenty of people who have been happy to spend large sums on a new TV as their expenditure has a tangible result: a bigger picture. Size is their primary goal, and many aren't interested in (or able to view) broadcast HDTV, but as larger TVs generally support HDTV they have the capability to view it anyway. These same people buy the cheapest DVD player they can find. If they could buy a cheap HD player ($50-100), I'm sure many would be happy to do so.

Adam
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post #558 of 992
11/23/07 at 9:11am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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I know plenty of people who have been happy to spend large sums on a new TV as their expenditure has a tangible result: a bigger picture. Size is their primary goal, and many aren't interested in (or able to view) broadcast HDTV, but as larger TVs generally support HDTV they have the capability to view it anyway. These same people buy the cheapest DVD player they can find. If they could buy a cheap HD player ($50-100), I'm sure many would be happy to do so.
Of course, some of those people may do something utterly ridiculous such as connect their brand new HD player via composite video, but the company selling it to them won't care.
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post #559 of 992
11/23/07 at 9:28am

Re: List of DVD/Blu-Ray/HD-DVD releases for the perod Nov '07 - Feb '08

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Originally Posted by Sanjay Gupta
PS: The information presented here is correct to the best of my knowledge. I do not claim for it to be a 100% complete and/or accurate.

Missed (after glancing at Robert's HD-DVD and Blu-ray listings)

On HD-DVD
11-27 Mr. Bean's Holiday (Universal)
12-26 Heartbreak Kid (Dreamworks)
12-26 The Kingdom (Universal)
1-8 The Invasion (Warner)
2-12 No Reservations (Warner)


On Blu-Ray:
1-2 Resident Evil Extinction
1-8 The Invasion (Warner)
2-12 No Reservations
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post #560 of 992
11/23/07 at 9:46am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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Originally Posted by Lyle_JP
People unwilling to spend more than $50 for a player aren't people willing enough to buy picture and sound equipment worth the upgrade to hi-def in the first place. If either format becomes wal*mart junk then they've lost even if they have won.
It isn't a question of upgrading, HD is going to eliminate SD TV and DVD at some point, and whatever format replaces it will need to be dirt cheap to manufacture. It has nothing to do with image quality or upgrading, it's about buying what is available.
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post #561 of 992
11/23/07 at 10:46pm

Re: List of DVD/Blu-Ray/HD-DVD releases for the perod Nov '07 - Feb '08

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Originally Posted by PerryD
Missed (after glancing at Robert's HD-DVD and Blu-ray listings)

On HD-DVD
11-27 Mr. Bean's Holiday (Universal)
12-26 Heartbreak Kid (Dreamworks)
12-26 The Kingdom (Universal)
1-8 The Invasion (Warner)
2-12 No Reservations (Warner)

On Blu-Ray:
1-2 Resident Evil Extinction
1-8 The Invasion (Warner)
2-12 No Reservations
Thanks for the info. As mentioned in my earlier post I was making a 'to be released' DVD list for myself and since Mr. Bean's Holiday has been out on DVD over here for atleast 2 months now, I had not listed it. 'No Reservation' on the other hand is already listed. Also, seemingly the release dates for 'The Heartbreak Kid', 'The Kingdom' and 'The Invasion' are not entirely confirmed yet. Sites like Amazon do not yet have a release date for these titles nor are they taking any pre-orders for them. 'No Reservation' on the other hand is already listed. In any case I have edited my prior post to include them.
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post #562 of 992
11/24/07 at 10:16am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

Great list Sanjay.

No Reservation should be listed fror both formats. Right now it is only listed for Blu-ray.
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post #563 of 992
11/25/07 at 9:42pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Great list Sanjay.

No Reservation should be listed fror both formats. Right now it is only listed for Blu-ray.
Oops.. Sorry about the oversight and thanks for pointing it out. 'PerryD' had already listed it in his post but I missed the point he was trying to make.
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post #564 of 992
11/26/07 at 4:19am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

A few more missed:

12/4
Battlestar Galactica (2004): Season 1 HD DVD Paramount
Queen Rock Montreal & Live Aid HD DVD Eagle Vision
Arctic Tale Both Formats Warner
Queen Rock Montreal & Live Aid HD DVD Eagle Vision
12/13
Vengeance Of The Zombies HD DVD Brentwood
Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains The Same Both Formats Warner
Method Man: Live From The Sunset Strip HD DVD MVD
12/26/07
Timecop HD DVD Universal
Cat People HD DVD Universal
1/8
Zodiac HD DVD Paramount
White Noise HD DVD Universal
White Noise 2 HD DVD Universal
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post #565 of 992
11/26/07 at 5:38am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

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Originally Posted by ppltd
A few more missed:
If you read my original post, you would notice that the list is of 'films' only and catalog titles are not included. Otherwise, there are a ton of Blu-Ray catalog films, tv series and other genre releases that I have not listed and ofcourse by the same measure similar titles on HD-DVD also arenot listed.
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post #566 of 992
11/26/07 at 9:26am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

HMM Nov 25 - Dec 1, 2007

BD / HD
66 / 34 W
65 / 35 Y
61 / 39 SI

They didn't do weekly numbers for some reason.

Top 10 YTD Titles through Nov 11

1. 300 BD 100.00
2. Transformers HD 66.57
3. 300 HD 52.84
4. Casino Royale BD 51.83
5. The Departed BD 33.79
6. PotC DMC BD 33.68
7. Planet Earth HD 30.71
8. PotC CBP BD 29.19
9. Planet Earth BD 29.19
10. Apocalypto BD 26.70

Number of Titles in Top 10 YTD through Nov 11
BD:7
HD:3
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post #567 of 992
11/27/07 at 8:21am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

Re: New Advertising Campaign from Blu-ray against HD DVD

I believe that this subject was moved to this thread so here I go. The first one called "The Coaster", dam that one made me laugh. And the second one was ok but did not strike me as something they should use as a comercial. I honestly think if one of these two might become a comercial on TV they might want to think about a more slick and profesional add. Don't get me wrong the coaster one is great for an internet add.

I am not affended by ether one actually as I own both players. My only question where those ideas for national tv adds? I thought it was funny that they included the Betamax going into the junk closet. I think that was there way of showing they have a sense of humor.
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post #568 of 992
11/29/07 at 7:58am

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VideoScan: Blu-ray Commands Thanksgiving Week Disc Sales

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Black Friday? More like Blu Friday. According to Nielsen VideoScan, US sales of Blu-ray discs swelled to a nearly 3:1 lead over HD DVD in the first official week of the holiday shopping season.

DVDs see green on Black Friday as part of retail gains

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The high-definition format war tilted even more heavily in favor of Blu-ray Disc despite a rash of inexpensive HD DVD players sold through Wal-Mart and other discount retailers in recent weeks. Nielsen VideoScan data for the week shows 72.6% of high-definition discs purchased by consumers were Blu-ray and just 27.4% were HD DVD. HD DVD players have been selling for as little as $98, one-fourth the lowest street price for a Blu-ray player.
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post #569 of 992
11/29/07 at 10:46am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

So, we know the Nielson scan numbers for the week of the Disney releases (11/6) was 66/44 BD/HD, and last week (11/20) was 73/27 BD/HD. However, we still have no numbers the week Shrek came out (11/13), but those should be available tomorrow.

In any case, the 3-to-1 ratio for Thanksgiving week is not a good sign for HD-DVD. Granted, Blu-ray had many more significant releases that week, but one would think that Universal and Paramount/DreamWorks would be trying to counter that a bit better.
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post #570 of 992
11/29/07 at 11:11am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread

HD-DVD players may be cheaper, but as an owner of both formats I've noticed a lot more deals on BD software than on HD-DVD discs. I was pretty excited by Amazon's buy-2-get-1-free deal on HD-DVD, but there have already been a number of buy-1-get-1-free deals on BD.
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