*** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread *See Post 957, p. 32* - Page 10

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Unpack/elaborate please? I find the comment appropriate. This "format war" has a lot of people more focused on formats than films.

The time all of us spend posting here is time we're not posting in other threads about movies.

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A person creating a web site(s) called f*** Blu-ray or HD DVD has a zero respect from me both as a "film fan" and "A/V fan". Sorry, but that´s the way it is for me.

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Found this link from the AVSforum:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...006023,00.html

"Disney's Gordon Ho for the lowdown on Blu-ray technology"

Note: This is the executive vice president (worldwide marketing & product management) for Buena Vista Home Entertainment (Disney).

This is of course biased person, but could be still interesting.

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Watching Superbad I noticed something dissapointing ... the strangeness that is the movie business and this stupid DVD format war...

Keep in mind these are two movies, made by the same guys.

Knocked Up was released by Universal and therefore is confirmed to be exclusive to HD DVD.
Superbad was released by Paramount and therefore will be exclusive to Bluray.




I am currently in the HD DVD camp, by the way (at least until I can afford a PS3).

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A true "film fan" wouldn't care about the format or medium on which films are presented. They certainly wouldn't put together sites named eff this or eff that. IMO, true film fans would only care that they are recieving the best quality possible for the films they love and even for those they don't. For them, and me, it's about the movies not the format/technology. It's misleading to say otherwise.

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Some wild rumors ("..separate HD-DVD deals with Paramount and DreamWorks Animation that involve major millions of dollars.."):
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.co...vd-format-war/

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I'm patiently waiting for Friday afternoon when nothing has been announced. No use in fighting over something that's just unconfirmed rumor at this point. (Besides, the end of the article mentions Paramount catalogue releases...not things like Transformers or Disturbia AND the titles would be released on both formats...)

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This is a potentially huge development, if true, as such a move would definitely give HD DVD more breathing room.

Essentially, Paramount and DreamWorks Animation risk nothing by doing this. HD DVD has a different demographic than Blu-ray Disc currently, and any catalog titles released by Paramount exclusively for HD DVD would probably not amount to many sales on BD for the time being. The DreamWorks Animation move is most assuredly designed to counter Disney's exclusivity.

For me personally, I will have to wait to find out which Paramount titles will be exclusive to HD DVD for me to decide its impact. Why do I see Saturday Night Fever being among them? As for DreamWorks Animation, they've nothing that interests me.


Sacrilege!

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I don't fully agree with this. There are true film fans (and music fans) who are happy enough with what they have and don't feel the need to upgrade to a higher quality format. Since you defined what a true film fan is, then I'll just state that a true film fan would rather spend his time on a film forum instead of a home theatre forum. In all honesty, I really don't see that many "true film fans" on this forum.

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Thanks, Chris--I was asking for elaboration from you regarding the "misleading" comment, not from Jari for the original comment. I agree.

It would appear Jari is "sarcastically" questioning, "And these people call themselves 'film fans'?" And Chris is seriously saying, "No, they're not 'film fans'!"

I think we're largely in agreement here regarding those so deep into format fetishism that they're saying "F**ck [fill in format]."

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Hang out in the movies forum. The truth of the matter is, most "true film fans" grew tired of what is essentially a gaming console fanboy war and decided to skip all the juvenile BS that was goin on in here. It wasn't until they consolidated the thread(s) and started clamiping down on the adolescent "my format RULEZ!!!" crap that I even started reading in here. I love a good debate (like DD vs. DTS or the like), but OMFG this place was one notch above a Star Wars thread.

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Stop exaggerating Jeff.

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Low cost Sony LCDs @ Target

Looks like the low cost Sony's are arriving on schedule. The article doesn't metion Wal-mart though. But it does intimate that the Target exclusivity is temporary, possibly meaning that they get them to themsleves for a period before Wal-mart gets them?

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Sure. But a true film fan might also feel very strongly about the industry releasing his/her films on high-defintion 1080p media since it's much closer to the "film experience" than a lower-res DVD. And since the format war might jeapordize consumer adoption of HD media, it could possibly risk the industry getting behind pre-recorded HD media over the next few years as downloading technology continues to take hold. So some of the animosity for one format or the other might reasonably stem from the frustration with the war and with the negative consequences that could result.

Of course, blanketly hating one format or the other doesn't make the most sense given that the formats are just empty vessels so to speak... it's studio and industry aliances and politics that have brought about the format war as it stands today.


I don't disagree with most of what you say, but can we PLEASE stop stating as fact the assumption that the "Blu-ray demographic" is different than that of HD DVD? Yes, Many gamers own PS3s. But that in no way indicates the number of PS3 sales that went to movie buffs (like me and everyone else I know who has a PS3). Stand-alone BD player sales NOT including the PS3 have also exceeded Toshiba's HD DVD player sales figures as of late, and so it's easily possible (and likely) that the percentage of PS3 sales for "movie buffs" combined with BD stand-alone players represent the same movie-watching demographic group who enjoy HD DVD stand-alone devices. It's even possible that the movie-watching BD consumer group is larger than the HD DVD group... if we look at BD software sales title for title it would in fact suggest that it's twice as large.

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No one's posted that Paramount is now a 100% HD DVD exclusive studio?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070820/...1YWV25ms0 NUE

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I think we're on the same page. I was mostly speaking of what I've begun calling the format zealots. Those that choose a format and blindly concentrate on promoting only it's success. It's understandable that we all have preferences in how we consume films but to continually bash other options which are equally as good is nonsensical. For example, I'm not very keen on legally downloading films but I'm not going to bemoan anyone if that is the method they prefer.

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It's being discussed in the other thread which is more focused on studio support.

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Hello,

Pretty new here as far as posting goes but am a regular lurker of the forums.
I consider myself a little bit above the level of J6P as I am almost done with my home theater and am ready to install my new 720P DLP projector.
I think that the majority of you are missing the point regarding this HD format war. The pricing for the software and the hardware is just too expensive for the average consumer. Now I realize that most of you do your shopping online at amazon or whatever, but I am one of those folks that will go to Best Buy or Circuit City to get the movie I want to add in the collection. Lets look at the circular this week and compare prices of HD and DVD media. Best Buy will sell you new HD-DVD movies from 24.99 to 34.99, or you can turn the page and get regular DVD's from $9.99 to $17.00. Don't even look at Circuit City if you want HD media. There is no sale on HD media this week. But...they are selling double features for $6.00, and other films from $4.99 to $20.00. For many of us out here, DVD is good enough. I can not justify to my wife or myself to spend an extra $5.00 to $15.00 for HD media. It ain't gonna happen now and never will! No one enjoys movies as much as I do and I will not pay those prices for movies in my collection. Let alone spend over $200.00 for a player that will not play both formats.
The way I see it Here is what has to happen for HD to succeed..
First, players have to come down in price. I paid $150.00 for an upscaling DVD player and I would probably buy an HD player at that level if...it plays both formats or all movies are released to one format and it is multi region. I am sure there are many people that have PAL DVD's besides myself who will not replace their multiregion players.
Of course the price of the player would be moot to me if the prices of the software do not come down to what DVD's are today or are at least comparable in price. Until this happens I will not join the fray of the format war and I am sure there are many others who feel the way I do.
Mark

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I guess I just won't be buying any more Paramount titles until they wise up. Fox/MGM will be getting lots of my money this fall.

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Yeah.


I wont' buy any Fox/MGM titles myself.


Because I physically can't use them. Without Spending $500.


I donno, I'm not calling Fox/MGM stupid but.........I wont' be buying any of their titles.

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I'll be buying everyone's titles.....well at least when they release a title I want to see.

Doug

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I'm buying no-one's titles. I'm not investing a penny into any format while this power-grabbing lunacy is going on. "One player, 100% studio support, region-free" has been (and remains) my mantra in this war.

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Same here. Put out the title's I want, in either format, and I will buy.

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WELLLLLLLLLL

HD-DVD IS already region free.....and.....*nudges shoulder*

J/K....

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Latest Numbers


Weekly: 71:29
YTD: 67:33
SI: 61:39

Top 10

8/2

Disturbia Para/Dream

16.96 / 7.73 (pretty sure that's right)

300 still king: 100/45.18

HMM Aug 26 - Sep 1, 2007

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..And what?

DisneyWarnerSonyFoxLionsgateareallgoingHDDVDtomorr owandthewarends?

Seriously, can we really blame Jonathan in the end? He wanted what I assume we ALL originally wanted.. One format.

Yes, many of us are just too deep in this film & A/V-game to "wait" (like e.g. Jonathan is waiting now), but I can see why some people stick to DVD at the moment.

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1. 300 100.00
2. Wild Hogs 77.63
3. 300 45.18
4. Vacancy 21.34
5. Disturbia 16.96
6. Planet Earth 15.22
7. The Lookout 12.29
8. TMNT 11.89
9. Planet Earth 10.95
10. Doctor Strange 10.77
11. Hot Fuzz 10.76
12. Shooter 10.75?
12. The Bourne Identity 9.51
13. Disturbia 7.88
14. Shooter 7.02?
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?? TMNT 5.16

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=1144

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I WAS just joking.

But.....


Yeah, that'll happen.

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Rob Enderle/TechNewsWorld: "Blu-ray Loses":

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/W...the-Week.xhtml

My favourite part is this:
"Blu-ray's biggest advantage is storage capacity; however, storage has grown so fast that you can get a 750 GB Seagate external drive for less than US$250.

To back that up on a 25 GB Blu-ray recorder would take 30 Blu-ray disks and more time than I think anyone in their right mind would accept. Neither HD-DVD nor Blu-ray are likely to become backup platforms, and most of the data we move still fits easily on a standard dual-layer DVD.

With increasingly high-speed networks, people are using things like BitTorrent to use big files or portable high-capacity hard drives. So as transport, they aren't particularly practical either.

The high-volume home for HD Optical disks remains as a replacement for the DVD. The studios, which are not doing anywhere near as well as they'd like, desperately need something to drive revenues higher."

? He´s talking about external storage vs. disc capacity.. I don´t follow? Why bring the external harddrives to this?

This guy is no shy either:
"I was one of the analysts who helped convince Time Warner to hedge its bets and go with both formats."

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Jari,

After a quic read through - I think he's referring to using BD or HD as the next gen disc for computer storage. Like we use DVD today. His next sentence says something to the effect of it being unlikely to use for backup of data because the price of a 750 gb hardrive is so little. But what he doesn't seem to realize (odd for a tech guy) is that whichever wins, BD or HD, is going to become cheap enough eventually to be the disc of choice for backup when you have to swap files or take them on the road. It's still much more convenient to take a DVD sized product with 30 or 50gb capacity than to lug along a hard drive no matter how cute and tiny they get. We aren't living in Star Trek yet! Hard drives of high capacity will get small enough some day, but not as quickly as BD or HD readable discs will become viable.

It was kind of an odd place to put that comment there as I too thought he was referring to regular BD or HD movie discs. But the fact is, disc capacity as a means to transport data is an important and sometime overlooked tangent of this war. If suddenly HD became standard in all computers, that would pretty much seal the deal for HD-DVD, or vice versa. Still - it was sort of odd the manner in which he brought that issue up.

Cheers,

Jason