Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Comparison Thread
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Originally Posted by Jari K
C´mon. EVERY SINGLE HD-player should and will have HDMI. It´s the basic thing now, not some super-fancy A/V geek feature. Component is soon his-to-ry.
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I don't disagree with you. But the 360 was not designed as a HD DVD player and didn't require HDMI when it was released, and a good thing they didn't. HDMI 1.1, which was what was available at the time the XBox went into production had terrible connection issues, and I am not sure they would have fully supported the requirements for HD DVD.. It is just good to see that MS is updating the hardware as the technology changes.
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Originally Posted by Jari K
It was a huge mistake from MS not to include that in the first place to their Xbox 360 and I fully understand the anger that it´s now coming when it´s suddenly included to every (new) console. HDMI-port is not firmware update that you can download from the net and you certainly cannot compare that to the firmaware updates of PS3.
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No, and as stated in previous posts, when the 360 was in design mode, HDMI was barely used anywhere. It was simply a timing issue. Now that HDMI is becoming a defacto standard, it makes since for MS to design it into the box.
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Originally Posted by Jari K
You can say what you want, but HD DVD wasn´t the "nr.1 priority" for MS and Xbox 360, like Blu-ray was to PS3. This doesn´t mean that Xbox is "bad" (when we all know that it´s very nice game console), it just means that MS has (had?) a different strategy toward HD than Sony. Yes, people bought Xbox 360 even without the HDMI and watched some films with it, but do you really claim that it was a "great HD DVD-player" from the start? And that "they just made a few updates which is normal" (and people have to buy their console again to get that HDMI etc!).
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The XBox was released nearly 6 months before HD DVD so of course it was not a priority for MS. In fact, HD DVD was probably not even a minor talking point when the 360 was designed. As far as being a very good HD DVD player, with the exception of passing TrueHD, it is certainly on par with most stand-alones from a PQ perspective is the same price range. And unlike the lower end Tosh, it can pass 1080p. Support of lossless, when HDMI is out is mearly a software flash. As far as it being a great HD player from the start, that is something I never said. The HD player was released a year into the 360 life, not at it's start.
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Originally Posted by Jari K
I respect your comments, but be serious here. PS3 was more "ready" as a HD-player from the start (like I have said, I don´t say anything about the games here). And now with those firmware-updates: HDMI 1.3, 24fps, (quality!) upscaling etc.
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Of course the PS3 is. It was released a year after the 360. When the 360 was released, much of the additional hardware in the PS3 didn't exist. BTW, Upconversion is currently available on the 360, and 24p is rumored down the line.
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Originally Posted by Jari K
There are even rumors that PS3 would be the only (current) BD-player that can be easily updated to BD-J 1.1 (or 2.0, not sure about these). Yes, only rumor at this point, but it´s starting to feel that these delays with PS3 are now paying off for the customers. Its core is ready and firmware updates takes care of the rest. Can Xbox really say that, when you have to buy a new console to get some basic thing like HDMI?
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Actually yes. The HD Add-on already supports all of the mandated interactivity and HDi features in the HD DVD spec. Something Sony has to wait for.
BTW, I am not in anyway slamming the PS3, which is a fine piece of hardware. This is of course not Sony's fault. The have to wait for the final specs from the BDA to be finalized and approved.
In addition, my 360 add-on is delegated as a second player in my house. Personally, I would never use a game console as my primary player. That is the job for my XA2 and Panny.
Like I said, I was talking about the HD-side of the consoles, not games.
