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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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Originally Posted by Dan_Ohio
What do people think of Microsoft's latest move?
http://www.informationweek.com/windo...leID=204803099

Xbox live required. Is HD-DVD a microsoft only platform?

Dan - Microsoft is offering this for companies to allow them to better test their product on HD drives and the HDi features. I am not sure why that would prompt you to ask if HD-DVD was a microsoft only platform.

I would rather any company that produces HD drives and players make it easy on software producers to test the product so that we avoid issues after release.

What do I think? I think this just fine.
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Adam how do they know they are unique users? Are they tracking ip addresses?

How many discs were sold at the time they tracked the 80,000? Isn't that a better reprentation of who is using online content?

How do they know that people went back due to more content? That is an assumption, I did not read any facts.

With both camps they are going to make the numbers look better. It is our job to put them in perspective.

It's web content. When you come to HTF or any other site they can take any number of things to identify you: IP address, cookie, etc. The web content to HD DVD is no different. The players can accept cookies and their servers could track you by IP or ?. I'm not sure how they do it, but looking at web statistics from my own personal site I have no doubt that they can very easily track users, both first time and repeat.

I have no idea how many copies were sold when that press release was announced. I'm not motivated enough to find the date of the press release. If you can find that I can tell you. I know that as of last week it has sold somewhere between 225-250K copies. Assuming 250K, that's almost 33% of copies that have gone online! Not bad considering not everyone bothers with extras or has their player even connected to the internet!

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What do people think of Microsoft's latest move?
http://www.informationweek.com/windo...leID=204803099

Xbox live required. Is HD-DVD a microsoft only platform?


This really isn't a "move". It's just a way that the professional authoring houses can test that the titles they author will playback correctly on the XBOX 360 HD DVD add-on without needing to go to the expense of making a check disc first. This will affect no more than 100 people/companies. It makes no difference to consumers. It makes sense that Microsoft would do this as the XBOX and HD DVD add-on are their product.
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Originally Posted by Neil Middlemiss
Dan - Microsoft is offering this for companies to allow them to better test their product on HD drives and the HDi features. I am not sure why that would prompt you to ask if HD-DVD was a microsoft only platform.

I would rather any company that produces HD drives and players make it easy on software producers to test the product so that we avoid issues after release.

What do I think? I think this just fine.

I think it is interesting that they tied it into only the XBOX.
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Here's Warner's latest commercial for Blade Runner. No mention of HD-DVD, only Blu-Ray. Whether it means anything or not, I don't know....but it is interesting.

LINK
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Fry's has Blu-ray Sony discs for 9.99 now. Not a bad price. Of couse this is to help increase the ratio between HD-DVD and Blu-ray.
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It makes sense to me that it is only for XBOX because that is Microsoft hardware. It would be up to Toshiba to come up with an emulator for their players.
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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Originally Posted by Dan_Ohio
Patrick, I hope you agree that the original press release is also bias. Since Paramount is using two sets of numbers. There is no way for them to know if the people logging in are from the original sales of 80,000 are the ones using the online function . The disc has sold more than that number. If the press release was out at the end of the first week then I would believe the numbers. You are correct, mine went to the opposite extreme.
I have to agree with Adam in that there is no bias in the press release.

If one was motivated they could use the Nielson numbers and work back from the press release date of December 4th to get an approximate number of units sold. If you don't want to do that even using the numbers provided by Adam from a marketing perspective the results are very positive.

As for on-line content, I like it and I'm certain that the offerings provided by all the studios will continue to improve and be interesting.

On a side note I really like having the ability to network my player. By making a network connection mandatory the HD group really was being far more consumer friendly then the Blu-Ray group especially since players from both camps have required numerous updates.
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Originally Posted by Dan_Ohio
There was a post on DVD-A.

Okay got ya. I'm sorry I thought we were still talking about audio CDs.

Doug
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Originally Posted by Jeff Adkins
Here's Warner's latest commercial for Blade Runner. No mention of HD-DVD, only Blu-Ray. Whether it means anything or not, I don't know....but it is interesting.

LINK


Well thats obviously an add only for the blu-ray version, because it also doesn't mention DVD.

Doug
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With past WB releases I have seen DVD, HD DVD and BD only adds. Why they just don't advertise the movie and say "also available on BD and HD DVD" I'll never know. Even though they are HD DVD exclusive Paramount seems to have a lot of DVD only or HD DVD only commercials too. It seems like a waste to not combine them.
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Originally Posted by Dan_Ohio
I think it is interesting that they tied it into only the XBOX.
How so? The add-on drive is made and sold for the 360, so it seems reasonable that it would be tied in with the 360.
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Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich
With past WB releases I have seen DVD, HD DVD and BD only adds. Why they just don't advertise the movie and say "also available on BD and HD DVD" I'll never know. Even though they are HD DVD exclusive Paramount seems to have a lot of DVD only or HD DVD only commercials too. It seems like a waste to not combine them.


Yeah, somtimes in the Shrek adds, it says "Also on HD-DVD", but sometimes no mention.

It is a bit confusing as to why the dont' have a universal system, but I think it often deals with the marketing target.

Advertising the Shrek HD-DVD on Nickelodeon would only achieve so much, but I can't see it hurting when it's simply taggin along anyways.
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Being a marketing man myself, some of the marketing decisions by these companies totally baffle me. Amongst a lot of other things, one thing I totally fail to understand is, why atleast all Sony, if not the other Blu-Ray exclusive studio, movie DVDs do not carry a Blu-Ray promo. Universal on the other hand is pretty good with including their HD-DVD promo in almost all, if not every single DVD released over the past year.

PS: I can understand them not including HD format promos in DVDs of titles that are not being released in HD, because that may kind of mislead people into believing that, that particular title is also available in HD.
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Amongst a lot of other things, one thing I totally fail to understand is, why atleast all Sony, if not the other Blu-Ray exclusive studio, movie DVDs do not carry a Blu-Ray promo. Universal on the other hand is pretty good with including their HD-DVD promo in almost all, if not every single DVD released over the past year........PS: I can understand them not including HD format promos in DVDs of titles that are not being released in HD, because that may kind of mislead people into believing that, that particular title is also available in HD.

LOL It's funny I have always been bothered that Universal puts these on their standard def DVDs figuring it would just confuse people. I am also peeved how a lot of early HD DVD titles have the really long HD DVD sales pitch in front of the film...I mean I already bought into the format why are you reselling it on me.
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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich
LOL It's funny I have always been bothered that Universal puts these on their standard def DVDs figuring it would just confuse people.
Personally I have always felt that any such confusion would only be caused by the 'HD-DVD' name and not due to the presence of the promo itself. First of all, a lot of people are liable to think that the Universal promos on DVDs are for the same old 'regular' DVDs, but only with some kind of new enhancements from Universal. Thus HD-DVD ends up sounding like only an incremental jump in quality of the 'good' old, DVD format. Secondly, people see all these 'upscaling DVD players being advertised as 'HD DVD' players and guess what, that only adds to their confusion and further strengthens their perception about HD-DVD just being a refinement to the DVD format. On the other hand, Blu-Ray does not face these issues. Rather, Blu-Ray quite easily and clearly establishes itself as a new format due to it's name. Furthermore Blu-Ray sounds far more of a revolutionary change and more futuristic than HD-DVD. Although more often than not, piggy riding an already very succesfull 'brand' is good for the new 'brand', I personally feel that in the case of DVD and HD-DVD, this has only caused confusion and has diluted the strength of the HD-DVD format, rather than giving any real advantage to it.

PS: Sometime last year, around August 2006, and long before Samsung even announced their intention to produce a dual format player let alone a HD-DVD player, they were actually advertising their "HD DVD" players for approx $100. Ofcourse all they were advertising was their upscaling DVD players. Mind you, these advertisments were half page, official Samsung issued advertisements and they were released in the national news dailies no less. I remember getting into argument with so many people I know over this, I would tell them that it is impossible for Samsung to be selling HD-DVD players, since they don't make HD-DVD players. Also the advertised price itself, approx $100, made the whole deal impossible. But more often than not, my arguments were just not enough to convince someone who had seen the advertisement for themself. Anyhow, to this day you can walk into almost any exclusive Samsung showroom here and if you were to ask the sales person what source are they displaying on their HD TVs, the answer will be HD-DVD. I have even got into arguments with some, but in most cases to no avail. After all who would they rather believe, Samsung or someone off the street. I was even tempted to go file a complaint with the Consumer forum, but upon discussing it with a business lawyer friend, I realized it was too much time and effort for something that the Samsung would most probably, and quite easily, escape from. Anyhow the situation today is that almost all CE brand retailers term their 'upscaling' DVD players as 'HD DVD' players. Thus, hundreds, maybe even thousands, out of their naivety, continue to buy 'upscaling' DVD players, thinking they have bought HD-DVD.

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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich
I am also peeved how a lot of early HD DVD titles have the really long HD DVD sales pitch in front of the film...I mean I already bought into the format why are you reselling it on me.
The first time I saw one of those promos on a HD-DVD, my instant reaction was, are they out of their minds. Why in the world would you advertise a format to someone who has already bought into it? Alright, maybe they want you to feel good and convince you that you made the right choice. But one needs only so much of reassurance, it would only be an irritant to have to watch it every single time one sits down to watch that HD-DVD disc.
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For me it hasn't been the name confusion, but why try to describe a 1080 picture by showing clips in 480 that look by some strange coincidence just as good as the DVD they are watching!
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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich
For me it hasn't been the name confusion, but why try to describe a 1080 picture by showing clips in 480 that look by some strange coincidence just as good as the DVD they are watching!
That's a good one. But i think the idea is not to really show off the format, as much as it is to create awareness for the format and it's features.
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The one's I can't understand are the HD DVD/Blu-ray promotionals on their respective high def formats. Why do I need to be told how good HD is when I have already bought into the formats? it's lame.
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Although I don't imagine Blade Runner will top the HD charts next week, it'll be interesting to see what the breakdown is along format lines and package choices.
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Sheesh even Amazon is picking up the online vernacular and calling this "Two Day Only" Fox BD sale "BOGO." Is this hurtful in the long run? Are we already headlong into a commodification race to the bottom? Or will this craziness evaporate after the Holidays?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...77751&plpage=1
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Originally Posted by Sanjay Gupta
The first time I saw one of those promos on a HD-DVD, my instant reaction was, are they out of their minds. Why in the world would you advertise a format to someone who has already bought into it? Alright, maybe they want you to feel good and convince you that you made the right choice.
I know you love to give the little jabs to HD-DVD, but you know full well that these promos also exist on every Sony and Buena Vista Blu-ray movie (and are equally annoying).
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Originally Posted by PerryD
I know you love to give the little jabs to HD-DVD, but you know full well that these promos also exist on every Sony and Buena Vista Blu-ray movie (and are equally annoying).
The so called "little jabs to HD-DVD" is entirely in your mind and was certainly not in the intent of my post. I stated HD-DVD in my post quite simply because that is what Adam's post referred to and more importantly because my very first experience of viewing HD on disc was HD-DVD and therefore quite obviously that is what I would be referring to when I say "The first time I saw one of those promos on HD-DVD". Anyhow if it makes you any happier, for the record I state, that it is equally stupid and silly of the Blu-Ray studios to have the promos on a Blu-Ray disc. Also, such a promo is 'equally' annoying to me, when I see one on a Blu-Ray disc and I actually go off on a rant about it each time I come accross such a promo while watching a movie on Blu-Ray with my wife and/or someone else.
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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
The one's I can't understand are the HD DVD/Blu-ray promotionals on their respective high def formats. Why do I need to be told how good HD is when I have already bought into the formats? it's lame.
It's just in case you might be having 'buyer's remorse' or might be considering going neutral. Just kidding, it is really silly of the studios and quite annoying and inconvenient for the viewer.
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Big news:

it seems that the 1.1 profile featureset for the PS3 is at hand:

http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=114731

I think Sony's latest Resident Evil BD will have "real" PIP for 1.1 spec machines. There's also another 1.1-spec PIP title coming out by another studio soon but I can't remember. In any case, I'll grab one of those 1.1-spec discs ASAP when available to test with the new PS3 firmware update to confirm.

Paidgeek (our Sony insider) has also confirmed that full DTS-HD MA decoding is on the way for the PS3 early 2008 (2.0 profile is also expected and might come at the same time).

Good news for PS3 owners...
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Sunshine is a 1.1 title coming out in January (Fox) and I think Lionsgate has one too.
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Sheesh even Amazon is picking up the online vernacular and calling this "Two Day Only" Fox BD sale "BOGO." Is this hurtful in the long run? Are we already headlong into a commodification race to the bottom? Or will this craziness evaporate after the Holidays?

At least they are telling us when it expires. I was shopping the other day and it expired when I was 5 minutes from checking out! It funny though how the Fox titles even on BOGO don't seem like a good deal. I usually average $7-8 a disc on BOGO. At $13 these just don't seem like a price I can jump at even though they are over 50% off! I am now conditioned to pay less than $10 a disc for HD!
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Sunshine is a 1.1 title coming out in January (Fox) and I think Lionsgate has one too.

Yes, I believe Lionsgate is 3:10 to Yuma.
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Did anyone notice in the Warner announcement for 'The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford', that they are now charging the same for both the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD combo versions. It had been reported that Warner had decided to begin charging the same for the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD combo versions and this release seems to be the first one under the new policy. But, atleast based on this announcement, it looks like, instead of charging the lower price of the Blu-Ray releases for the HD-DVD combo versions, they have instead increased the price of the Blu-Ray versions to match that of the HD-DVD combos. Well for those that kept complaining about Warner charging more for the HD-DVD combos and wanted them to charge the same as Blu-Ray, you got your wish. But guess what? You still pay the same. While the Blu-Ray customers end up having to pay more for no reason at all. This seems like Warner's attempt at giving HD-DVD, a format they have a vested interest in, an edge over Blu-Ray.
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Nielsen sales numbers are in for last week. Blu-Ray came out on top 61%-39% (with 14 of the top 20 being BD). Bourne Ultimatum was the #1 hi-def disc overall selling 50% more than Pirates 3.

Harry Potter OOTP Blu-Ray sold 20% more than the HD-DVD and on the box set the Blu-Ray sold 30% more than the HD-DVD. It will be interesting to see if these percentages hold up with Blade Runner next week.

Lost S3 and High School Musical 2 both failed to crack the Top 10.

Interestingly enough, Planet Earth HD-DVD sold 80% more than the Blu-Ray. I still haven't figured out why the ratio on this title is so far off from everything else.

We should have the complete breakdown on Friday.
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Originally Posted by Jeff Adkins
High School Musical 2 both failed to crack the Top 10.

So there is some justice in the world.
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