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post #2071 of 3878
12/6/07 at 7:27am

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Originally Posted by bigluigi
Sir,
This is an earlier post you wrote in response to a post by Adam Gregorich in which you imply that he is a "fanboy in denial." Who the fanboy in denial, I think, is rather obvious.

Uh, sir, you seem inclined towards misinterpretation at best. There was no implication, that is your opinion. Despite the fact you offered no context to that post whatsoever outside of who was quoted in that response, I think it's clear what that does demonstrate: I've hammered the pointless bickering over Bill Hunt for awhile. Just because I pointed out the hypocrisy (in my view) in that particular spat does not mean that I am blind to it when it is coming from the other side. Feel free to use your search tool again to find any instance where I have ever argued that Blu-Ray was somehow superior to HD-DVD and ignored any arguable Sony 'transgressions' - I have not. But, some of us read what we want to read and see what we want to see.
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post #2072 of 3878
12/6/07 at 7:49am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

Let's cease with the name-calling and personal comments such as "ignorant" being directed towards other members. If you can't discuss these issues without doing so then perhaps it's time to stop discussing them at all.





Robert Crawford
HTF Administrator
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post #2073 of 3878
12/6/07 at 11:14am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
Uh, sir, you seem inclined towards misinterpretation at best. There was no implication, that is your opinion. Despite the fact you offered no context to that post whatsoever outside of who was quoted in that response, I think it's clear what that does demonstrate: I've hammered the pointless bickering over Bill Hunt for awhile. Just because I pointed out the hypocrisy (in my view) in that particular spat does not mean that I am blind to it when it is coming from the other side. Feel free to use your search tool again to find any instance where I have ever argued that Blu-Ray was somehow superior to HD-DVD and ignored any arguable Sony 'transgressions' - I have not. But, some of us read what we want to read and see what we want to see.
Sir,
You seem to enjoy a "lively" discussion as much as I do.
However, any further dialog between us would be rather pointless as we are not about to change our opinions regarding Mr Hunt's biased comments.
We each have very strong opinions and I think the only real difference is, I seek to promote open discussion about Mr Hunts biased viewpoints and you wish to edit or silence those discussions.
Anyway, til we meet again.
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post #2074 of 3878
12/6/07 at 11:26am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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we are not about to change our opinions regarding Mr Hunt's biased comments.

All of our opinions are biased. Yours and mine as well.

If I assume that "OAR is better than P/S", then that's my bias and it might motivate me to embrace a format like DVD or laserdisc, which offeres OAR more frequently than a medium like VHS. If I assume that the most important thing is for me to fill my 4x3 TV to get rid of black bars, then that bias might lead me to prefer VHS.

Some people might have the bias that "cheaper is better" and embrace HD DVD over BD because of its lower-cost hardware or Disc manufacturing. Or if their bias is that "more bit-space/higher-bandwidth is better" then they might embrace BD. Or they might have multiple biases that combine together to create more complex points of view that balance multiple issues.

Baises are the very basis for personal opinion. The same set of facts would still leave all of us having different opinions of what they mean because of how "facts" intersect with our various baises. That's the nature of human perception/belief. As long as our baises are made clear during discussion, everything is fine. That includes Mr. Hunt, who's made his baises/opinions, and his reasons for them, abundantly clear.
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post #2075 of 3878
12/6/07 at 2:04pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
All of our opinions are biased. Yours and mine as well.

If I assume that "OAR is better than P/S", then that's my bias and it might motivate me to embrace a format like DVD or laserdisc, which offeres OAR more frequently than a medium like VHS. If I assume that the most important thing is for me to fill my 4x3 TV to get rid of black bars, then that bias might lead me to prefer VHS.

Some people might have the bias that "cheaper is better" and embrace HD DVD over BD because of its lower-cost hardware or Disc manufacturing. Or if their bias is that "more bit-space/higher-bandwidth is better" then they might embrace BD. Or they might have multiple biases that combine together to create more complex points of view that balance multiple issues.

Baises are the very basis for personal opinion. The same set of facts would still leave all of us having different opinions of what they mean because of how "facts" intersect with our various baises. That's the nature of human perception/belief. As long as our baises are made clear during discussion, everything is fine. That includes Mr. Hunt, who's made his baises/opinions, and his reasons for them, abundantly clear.
Hey....no problem here. Some of my best friends are biased.
But I think it's important to keep lines of communication open. How else are you going to discover that quite possibly all those strongly held beliefs/biases you hold are actually based on false information or assumptions.
I see your posts over at Blu-ray.com a lot. Now there's some boys that have serious bias issues. I tried to open a line of discussion on that site that spoke of the pleasures of being format neutral and promply got banned!
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post #2076 of 3878
12/6/07 at 2:48pm

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This absolutizing notion that 'we're all biased' and, as long as we're forthcoming about those biases, everything is hunky dory strikes me as dodgy and Pollyanna-ish. Some people aren't even aware of their biases and get defensive when you try to point them out. The examples you mention to support that notion are also problematic.

The 'cheaper is better' bias example is dicey in that someone could wholeheartedly agree that the more expensive option is better, but the practical reality may be that it is not affordable to them. The reason I don't have a Krell amp isn't because I think my Denon is better.

Regarding the other two: Setting aside the fact that I'd surmise most people here are in agreement on the aspect ratio (OAR is generally better) and bandwidth (more is generally better) matters, these two are ones to which an informed person can point to empirical evidence and personal experience to support their position.

Such is not the case with Bill's premise that HDM market share would be greater if there were only one format available. As sexily simple and easy to embrace as it sounds, the bottom line is that that is a speculative notion, not based upon facts or personal experience. The significant wild card/fly in that ointment is that there are sooooo many people out there who Just. Don't. Care. They're not "confused." They wouldn't be interested in HDM if there were six formats or just one.

But I think it's important to keep lines of communication open. How else are you going to discover that quite possibly all those strongly held beliefs/biases you hold are actually based on false information or assumptions.

Amen.
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post #2077 of 3878
12/6/07 at 2:57pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
All of our opinions are biased. Yours and mine as well.

If I assume that "OAR is better than P/S", then that's my bias and it might motivate me to embrace a format like DVD or laserdisc, which offeres OAR more frequently than a medium like VHS. If I assume that the most important thing is for me to fill my 4x3 TV to get rid of black bars, then that bias might lead me to prefer VHS.

Some people might have the bias that "cheaper is better" and embrace HD DVD over BD because of its lower-cost hardware or Disc manufacturing. Or if their bias is that "more bit-space/higher-bandwidth is better" then they might embrace BD. Or they might have multiple biases that combine together to create more complex points of view that balance multiple issues.

Baises are the very basis for personal opinion. The same set of facts would still leave all of us having different opinions of what they mean because of how "facts" intersect with our various baises. That's the nature of human perception/belief. As long as our baises are made clear during discussion, everything is fine. That includes Mr. Hunt, who's made his baises/opinions, and his reasons for them, abundantly clear.
Very well put, DaVid. Everyone has a right to their opinion of Mr. Hunt, but I fail to understand why we need to discuss people's opinions of Mr. Hunt in this thread and/or forum, specially at every second mention of the HD war. It is quite honestly boring and tedious to see the same old uncalled for remarks targetted at Mr. Hunt. This thread is for the purpose of discussing 'Industry/Retailer/Studio Support' of HD formats and personally I don't see how Mr. Hunt figures into this discussion.
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post #2078 of 3878
12/6/07 at 3:02pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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Originally Posted by bigluigi
I see your posts over at Blu-ray.com a lot. Now there's some boys that have serious bias issues. I tried to open a line of discussion on that site that spoke of the pleasures of being format neutral and promply got banned!
What else did you expect of a site with the name 'Blu-ray.com' which has openly declared itself to be a Blu-Ray exclusive site?
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post #2079 of 3878
12/6/07 at 4:05pm

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Originally Posted by Sanjay Gupta
What else did you expect of a site with the name 'Blu-ray.com' which has openly declared itself to be a Blu-Ray exclusive site?
Hiya Mr Gupta,
Long time -no tangle with with.
Anyway, they should change their address to "Blu-ray-only-no-exceptions.com because all they seem to want to talk about is "HD-DUDs."
Sorry, but I'm hung up on this, Opening Lines of Communication 101 course, and since just about all they want to talk about over there is HD-DVD I would offer myself up for the cause. Listen, it's either me or sending missionaries over there. Just having some fun...guys.
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post #2080 of 3878
12/6/07 at 4:27pm

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Originally Posted by Sanjay Gupta
Very well put, DaVid. Everyone has a right to their opinion of Mr. Hunt, but I fail to understand why we need to discuss people's opinions of Mr. Hunt in this thread and/or forum, specially at every second mention of the HD war. It is quite honestly boring and tedious to see the same old uncalled for remarks targetted at Mr. Hunt. This thread is for the purpose of discussing 'Industry/Retailer/Studio Support' of HD formats and personally I don't see how Mr. Hunt figures into this discussion.
Wow, talk about deja vu. What is with you guys. It's like an online meeting of the "Mr Hunt can say no wrong," social club. Mr Hunt is a well known outspoken personality of the INDUSTRY and ,as such, is "fair game" on this thread.
But if you want to change the current topic of this thread, Mr Gupta, please go right ahead. "I'm a sucker for good conversation."
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post #2081 of 3878
12/6/07 at 6:26pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

Paul,

speculative bias isn't much different that preference-bias. No one has to "prove" that low-cost hardware will win the war to satisfy HD DVD fans... they are happy to accept it as their point of view without empiracle proof. Same as with folks who assume that "one format would be better for HD sales", same as folks who assume that a 50GB platform is "better suited" to the future/growing needs of HDM. We have opinions, and most of them couldn't be proven anyway because of the problems with sampling and data collection and who's gathering the data. And most of these concepts are too broad or far-reaching that they can't be meaningfully measured (ie, you can't measure the cost of dual-formats versus one format since you only have one actual market in place... and it's got two).

Sony has lots of 'facts' to back up their view. Toshiba and MS have lots of 'facts' to back up their view. Sometimes they both use the same facts and spin and just spin them differently. It's all bias... everything that involves human opinion or interpretation is biased.

Now I NEVER said no one could communicate. Where did you even get that out of my comments? My only point was that we shouldn't run around using the "bias" word as some term to try to falsely color someone's perspective as flawed. We are *all* biased. Every opinion is. As long as we can talk openly and honestly about our preferences and assumptions, then everything is above-board.
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post #2082 of 3878
12/6/07 at 7:09pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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Originally Posted by bigluigi
Wow, talk about deja vu. What is with you guys. It's like an online meeting of the "Mr Hunt can say no wrong," social club. Mr Hunt is a well known outspoken personality of the INDUSTRY and ,as such, is "fair game" on this thread.
But if you want to change the current topic of this thread, Mr Gupta, please go right ahead. "I'm a sucker for good conversation."

I have no desire to silence them. I just want to see them discussed in the proper setting. Last time I checked, he's not employed by anyone in the industry and views himself as a consumer advocate (regardless of the legitimate arguments otherwise, that's what he believes). There has never been any evidence put forth that he is employed, taking money or in any other way connected to the industry outside of the connections he gets as a type of "blogger."
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post #2083 of 3878
12/6/07 at 7:19pm

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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Originally Posted by bigluigi
Wow, talk about deja vu. What is with you guys. It's like an online meeting of the "Mr Hunt can say no wrong," social club. Mr Hunt is a well known outspoken personality of the INDUSTRY and ,as such, is "fair game" on this thread.
Sure, it's fair game to discuss but how many times can essentially the same things be said about one guy and his opinion? It was boring after the first day, dead after the first week and is now just plain weird to keep harping on.
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post #2084 of 3878
12/6/07 at 7:25pm

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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
There has never been any evidence put forth that he is employed, taking money or in any other way connected to the industry outside of the connections he gets as a type of "blogger."
Kind of sounds like ther is no proof that MS is trying to kill the formats, or that MS paid off Paramount. But the ill-founded rumors continue.
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post #2085 of 3878
12/6/07 at 7:31pm

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Originally Posted by TravisR
Sure, it's fair game to discuss but how many times can essentially the same things be said about one guy and his opinion? It was boring after the first day, dead after the first week and is now just plain weird to keep harping on.
Whle I agree you you, it is no different than a years worth of bickering over Bandwidth, Disk Size, DD+ vrs. Lossless, VC1 vrs. AVC, One hardware manufacture vrs four, or any of the other (mostly silly) format arguments that crop up weekly with absolutly no change from year ago, and will probably be the same a year from now.
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post #2086 of 3878
12/6/07 at 7:35pm

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Originally Posted by ppltd
Whle I agree you you, it is no different than a years worth of bickering over Bandwidth, Disk Size, DD+ vrs. Lossless, VC1 vrs. AVC, One hardware manufacture vrs four, or any of the other (mostly silly) format arguments that crop up weekly with absolutly no change from year ago, and will probably be the same a year from now.
True enough. I guess I'm just ready for the next big internet brawl.
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post #2087 of 3878
12/7/07 at 3:59am

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All of our opinions are biased. Yours and mine as well.

Yeah, of course.

To keep discussions at a meaningful level, we must all try to use terms in a similar way. Preferably the commonly used way. And at least the same way during one logical argumentation.

If you choose to call all sorts of reasonable personal opinions/weighings "biases", fine. But then the person who was called "biased" using the normal meaning should be called "extremely biased", or "unreasonably biased".

After which the discussion can continue as it did, just with a less generally accepted meaning of the words....


Cees
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post #2088 of 3878
12/7/07 at 6:57am

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Cees,

I hear what you're saying, and I agree with your point about semantics and shared meaning.

I think my underlying point about Bill is that he's *explained* his bias, and backed it up with data that to him (and many others) is reasonable. In that sense, his opinions are NOT "unreasonable"... they're just his opinons and they happen to be shared by many other industry minds.

Anyone can dissagree with his conclusions, his assumptions or his interpretation of the facts. That's the general way we share discourse about our various opinions.

But this constant need to characterize Bill as "biased"... as though he's been influenced or paid by outside sources, is innaccurate and takes on the appearance of trying to use a label to aritrarily discredit his point of view. Bill's opinions and his defense of them are just as reasonable and valid as any pro HD DVD/BD enthusiast's position expressed at HTF. Trying to sling shot the label of "baised" at him is as groudless as me calling you, Thomas, Amir, or anyone else "biased". We all have opinions, and we've all taken the time to explain them and back them up with what we each feel is a reasonable interpretation of the facts. Bill is no different.
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post #2089 of 3878
12/7/07 at 8:20am

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David:

I think part of the problem/disconnect here is that you're making something of an academic exercise/point regarding a long-discussed topic regarding a person whose behavior isn't such a good 'test case' of your theories IMO.

speculative bias isn't much different that preference-bias.

I disagree/we'll have to agree to disagree on this. As far as I'm personally concerned--and that's what informs my perspective and criticisms on this topic--what biases I have I strive to base on facts and first-hand experience, not speculation. Otherwise, it's prejudice.

No one has to "prove" that low-cost hardware will win the war to satisfy HD DVD fans... they are happy to accept it as their point of view without empiracle proof.

This is a broad brush stroke cheap shot. Some HD DVD supporters accept/repeat this mantra, some do not. Although there are exceptions in c.e. history, the precedential fact that Graffeo et al. cite remains that SD DVD took off when hardware reached 'magic price points.' That's the empirical evidence from which the low cost argument flows.

Same as with folks who assume that "one format would be better for HD sales", same as folks who assume that a 50GB platform is "better suited" to the future/growing needs of HDM.

This is sloppy IMO insofar as these issues are far from the same. The former is speculative; the latter has arguably already been proven with data in the form of several HD DVDs approaching 30Gb with no lossless audio. You've been quite vocal in surmising that this underscores the benefits of 50Gb BD.

Now I NEVER said no one could communicate. Where did you even get that out of my comments?


My seconding of Louis' comments in my post 2076 was an expression of general agreement with him in that regard, not a criticism of/response to your comments.
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post #2090 of 3878
12/7/07 at 8:26am

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I disagree/we'll have to agree to disagree on this. As far as I'm personally concerned--and that's what informs my perspective and criticisms on this topic--what biases I have I strive to base on facts and first-hand experience, not speculation. Otherwise, it's prejudice.

I understand the hesitence to accept what I'm saying. But if you really think about it, most of the differing points of view on "format" issues are things that can't be meaningfully measured/proven:

1. One format is better for the market than two.
2. Competition between two formats is better for the consumer than one format.
3. Cost will win the format war
4. The PS3 will ultimately win the format war
5. MS wants both formats to ultimately fail in favor of downloading
6. The increased bit-space and bandwith of BD are worth the added cost of BD disc production.
7. HD DVD is better because all hardware includes PIP and internet connectivity from the start.

There are many more, but these are just a handful of examples of assumptions/specualtions that can't really be proven: they have more to do with personal viewpoints and values that affect how we interpret the facts that we're given than they are the result of facts that we consider.
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12/7/07 at 8:30am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Trying to sling shot the label of "baised" at him is as groudless as me calling you, Thomas, Amir, or anyone else "biased". We all have opinions, and we've all taken the time to explain them and back them up with what we each feel is a reasonable interpretation of the facts. Bill is no different.
While conceptually what you say has merit, to place Bill Hunt is the same category as a poster on this site is not valid. Bill is a self (and industry) proclaimed paid expert who posts commentary and news (not blogs) on an industry accepted site as a commentator, not as a subscriber to a site that posts messages in a thread. As such, his comments carry much more weight than an average poster and as such garner considerable more applause or, when it merits (as determined by the reader), criticisim. This comes with the territory, and I am sure Bill is quite aware of it. Bottom line is, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, and Bill seems to be handling the heat just fine.
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post #2092 of 3878
12/7/07 at 8:51am

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I agree that the consequence of Bill expressing his opinion has more weight than that or you or me expressing our opinion at HTF for the reasons you state.

However, that doesn't make his opinion unreasonably 'biased' - It just means what you said: that his expressed opinion can impact public opinion in a more significant way than can yours or mine.

If we're going to discuss the good/bad consequences of Bill sharing his opinion, then let's do so. And if we're going to critique his point of view and balance that against the information he's used to argue his perspective, fine. But using inappropriate terms to try to discredit his (perfectly valid) opinion because we don't like what consequences his sharing it might have isn't a cogent direction to take.
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12/7/07 at 8:53am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

But some of what you enumerate can be/has been proven.

Re your #2: I find it hard to believe I'd be able to buy the A Few Good Men BD for $9.99 at Fry's--less than the SD--if it weren't for the format competish. I consider this good for me as a budget-constrained consumer.

Re #4: I think it remains to be seen--and perhaps proven with market analysis--what role the PS3 is playing/will play.

Re #7: Although I think we're only at the beginning of what the PIP and "Web-enabled" "functionalities" will bring, I personally feel that the execution has got to more often be at the level of what 300 accomplishes for these feature sets to be meaningful for either format in the long run.

Esp since BD 2.0 is not mandatory, it's starting to appear to me like PIP and 'Net connectivity are shallow bragging points for HD DVD. They've had over a year-and-a-half to jam, but it sounds like the Sunshine PIP may be more impressive than any HD DVD PIP we've seen so far. I just finished the "U-Control" on Bourne Identity and, for such a high profile title for Universal, I was not as impressed as I should have been.
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12/7/07 at 8:58am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

Paul,

none of what you just shared is "proof" of anything. It's just information... which can lend itself to a point of view given how one intereprets it. Show me the high-def market where the same BD wasn't marked down because it was the only game in town. Can't? Because it doesn't exist since we only have one market with two formats? Then it can't be proved... only *assumed*. It could also be argued that the dual-format scenario wasn't responsible for the low price, because it might have been competition with DVD, or even with competition among other BD titles. One can't know for sure since we only have the one realized market and can't compare against a control to see how trends might differ.

An assumption may be reasonable (and I personaly agree with most that you just shared)... and it may reflect information gathered... but it's not "proof" of anything.
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post #2095 of 3878
12/7/07 at 9:02am

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
I agree that the consequence of Bill expressing his opinion has more weight than that or you or me expressing our opinion at HTF for the reasons you state.

However, that doesn't make his opinion unreasonably 'biased' - It just means what you said: that his expressed opinion can impact public opinion in a more significant way than can yours or mine.
Therefore, the argument goes, he has a greater responsibility than you or I. "With great power . . ."
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12/7/07 at 9:15am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

In which case the real argument someone might have with Bill's sharing his opinion should be about whether or not he's expressed his opinion in a "responsible" way.
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post #2097 of 3878
12/7/07 at 9:18am

Re: *** Official HTF HD Formats Industry/Retailer/Studio Support Thread

Somewhere between strict adherence to scientific proof methodology, on the one hand, and sloppily saying 'we're all biased'/'we're all speculating'/'we can't come to any real conclusions,' on the other, there's an informed middle ground in which to come to reasonable conclusions based upon various data.

I'm comfortable with the notion that the same studios whose reps were quoted in trade stories not long ago regarding high def media restoring margins in the home vid industry have been compelled into "BOGO" sales by the format competish.

In which case the real argument someone might have with Bill's sharing his opinion should be about whether or not he's expressed his opinion in a "responsible" way.

Agreed. And I think some (but clearly not all) critics have made that argument.
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12/7/07 at 9:49am

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Somewhere between strict adherence to scientific proof methodology, on the one hand, and sloppily saying 'we're all biased'/'we're all speculating'/'we can't come to any real conclusions,' on the other, there's an informed middle ground in which to come to reasonable conclusions based upon various data.

Agreed. But that covers most opinions that we have... even those conclusions that seem in conflict with one another (ie, whether or not the format war, at this point, is good versus bad for consumers and HD).
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12/7/07 at 10:19am

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Now I NEVER said no one could communicate. Where did you even get that out of my comments? My only point was that we shouldn't run around using the "bias" word as some term to try to falsely color someone's perspective as flawed. We are *all* biased. Every opinion is. As long as we can talk openly and honestly about our preferences and assumptions, then everything is above-board.
David,
Ughhh....let me summarize what your saying in a different way. It's OK to be biased/prejudiced as long as your upfront about it.
Anyway, in my book, to be biased definitely has a negative connotation. Look...I'm a simple man and certainly not a philosopher and If I describe someone's viewpoint as being biased, I'm saying that person has a blinders on if you know what I mean.
Let me give you an example. When Walmart had that $99 sale of the Toshiba HD-A2, Mr Hunt described this event negatively as a "firesale" and even questioned its legality. He wasn't very kind.
I know that looking at the big picture and treating acceptance of HDM as a whole or even in part is not a priority nor even important in some people's minds, but I thought it would be in his.
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post #2100 of 3878
12/7/07 at 11:17am

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Next-Gen DVDs: Advantage, Sony

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Now, with the Jan. 7 International Consumer Electronics Show fast approaching, Sony and Toshiba are keen to announce they have won over Hollywood's last holdout. In the meantime, they are falling over themselves to woo Warner. While either side could prevail, the Sony group has suddenly emerged as the front-runner.
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