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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
just another meaningless anecdote, but what the hell;
I was in Frys recently when they had some great deals on both HD DVD and Bds (same time as the CC BOGO, but I didn't find out until the next day). I was with a co-worker who is a HUGE movie buff, but not an HT enthusiast. After I had grabbed my HDMs I was flipping thru the regular racks and he wandered over to the HDM section, picked up a case and screwed his features up and asked me "whats this?" I told him HD. "so this won't work on a regular player? you have to buy another one, just to play these?" He made a "pffft" sound and threw the case back into the rack. For Dan, it seems to be beyond the pale being asked to buy into TWO formats just to get all the HDM titles you want, but from what I've seen, just asking some people to buy into ONE extra format (beyond the ubiquitous DVD) is asking way too much. The way I see it, you are either a fan of HDMs or you are a fan of a particular format. If you have Bd and can't be bothered spending less than $200 more to have access to EVERYTHING once and for all, then there is just no hope for you or the media in general. |
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Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
just another meaningless anecdote, but what the hell;
... he wandered over to the HDM section, picked up a case and screwed his features up and asked me "whats this?" I told him HD. "so this won't work on a regular player? you have to buy another one, just to play these?" He made a "pffft" sound and threw the case back into the rack. |
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Originally Posted by Averry
The 360 hardware failures would be a valid argument if Microsoft didnt' handle it as well as they do. If it fails on you, it's a 3 week turn around even if you never registered your Xbox. All for free.
I mean, it's still a VALID argument, but it's less of an impact. |
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Originally Posted by BrianB
Now they handle it that way, after a long period of denying it was an issue, after people suffered multiple repairs at their own expense.
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Originally Posted by BrianB
Now they handle it that way, after a long period of denying it was an issue, after people suffered multiple repairs at their own expense. MS took a billion dollar charge on their books to cover the cost of repairs & future repairs. To blow that off makes one look like a total fanboy.
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Originally Posted by Jari K
Amen.
Xbox 360 might have great games, but both PS3 and Wii wipe the floor with it when it comes to hardware. |
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Originally Posted by Jari K
But yes, games ARE good in Xbox 360.
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Originally Posted by ppltd
Yes, to blow off the fact that MS took a billion dollar write-off to reimbruse and protect the 360 owners would make someone look like a fanboy. Couldn't agree more.
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Originally Posted by ppltd
The cooling design flaw has been corected, and with the introduction of the new 65nm chip (and soon the 65nm graphics processor) we should see a substantial decrease in the RROD on the 360. Mine has run 1000's of hours (over 500 in Oblivion alone and it is used as a Media Center hub) over the last two years without a failure. Might just be lucky, but I doubt it.
Which is the 'only' reason to buy a game system. |
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Originally Posted by ppltd
Might just be lucky, but I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by ppltd
Which is the 'only' reason to buy a game system.
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Originally Posted by ppltd
Yes, to blow off the fact that MS took a billion dollar write-off to reimbruse and protect the 360 owners would make someone look like a fanboy. Couldn't agree more.
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Originally Posted by Romier S
This is a company that day one out of the box offered a 90 day warranty on thier device in an industry where its competitors had been offering full limited 1 year warranties for years. Protect 360 owners? Please. The bad press and general air of stability issues surrounding the console pushed them into offering that three year warranty, not some ridiculous sense of chivalry.
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Originally Posted by Romier S
The warranty repair had best be free considering the absolutely dismal failure rate of the console and the horrendous turnaround time anyone to has to endure on a $400 piece of equipment.
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Originally Posted by Romier S
Oh and since we're relating our own rather useless anecdotal evidence, I'm on my fifth 360 for those wondering. My last repair took the better part of a month and a half turn around time. So yes, I've had the pleasure of Microsoft's "protective" support many times. Despite that the 360 continues to be my primary game playing device because I love the games on the system. As noted above, that doesn't mean I'm going to start defending or trivializing the very real hardware/warranty issues the 360 has experienced.
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| It is free. What the heck more would you like them to do. |
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Originally Posted by Kelley_B
Design a piece of kit that doesn't make the original rev of the PlayStation look like a fucking Panzer tank.
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Originally Posted by ppltd
To cntinue to vilify MS is not only unreasonable but silly.
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Originally Posted by ppltd
I won't buy another Sony product unless there is absolutely no choice.
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Originally Posted by ppltd
Defective products from manufacturers is nothing new.
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Originally Posted by ppltd
They have redesigned the circulation paths, shrunk the main CPU and are working on the GPU.
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| Of course, if you dislike MS or are a Sony fanboy, nothing they do will suffice. That has always been the case. |
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Originally Posted by ppltd
I won't buy another Sony product unless there is absolutely no choice..
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Originally Posted by ppltd
Of course, if you dislike MS or are a Sony fanboy, nothing they do will suffice..
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Originally Posted by Kelley B
but that yes for the sake of this thread I believe the PlayStation 3 is a better built design hardware wise, but not necessarily a better game player today.
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Originally Posted by Romier S
To vindicate them of said problems as though nothing ever happened and then attempt to push the RROD problem under the rug as being a non-issue (even today) as some have done in this thread is just as unreasonable and absolutely silly. Which is exactly what I'm responding to.
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Originally Posted by Romier S
Right, so why the grudge against Sony products again? That's the most amusing statement in your post.
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Originally Posted by Jari K
Oh boy..
Do you work for MS Thomas? I honestly can´t think of another reason.. Sony is not evil. Microsoft is not evil. Nintendo is not evil. They´re JUST companies trying to make money (and doing pretty good job with that) and sell some hard/software.. |
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Originally Posted by Jari K
(When it comes to PS3, no issues so far. No "fifth" or "second" console. I just enjoy films and games.)
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Originally Posted by ppltd
Do you work for Sony because you like them?
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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich
For any of you still on the fence, Wal-Mart will have the A2 HD DVD player at $98.87 this Friday. You still get the 5 free discs by mail with that! Go to http://www.walmart.com/ and click the see Friday specials. They also have a bunch of HD DVDs on sale for $14.87
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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Toshiba should just give every household in America an A2. They're practically at that point anyway.
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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Toshiba should just give every household in America an A2. They're practically at that point anyway.
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| Toshiba should just give every household in America an A2. They're practically at that point anyway. |
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Originally Posted by Sanjay Gupta
I think this is the last trick that Toshiba has. I am sure even equally well built DVD players cost more than $100 even today, ten + years after the format launched. These are desperate times for HD-DVD, which calls for desperate moves on their part and Toshiba is doing what it has to do or should I say, what it can do. It almost amounts to giving away the HD-DVD players to survive in the race. I have a feeling this also has a lot to do with Warner. I can imagine a meeting in which Warner makes it clear to the HD-DVD group, "we have decided to go one format exclusive and unless we see a major jump in HD-DVD's share of HD sales, we may go with Blu-Ray".
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Originally Posted by Sanjay Gupta
I think this is the last trick that Toshiba has. I am sure even equally well built DVD players cost more than $100 even today, ten + years after the format launched. These are desperate times for HD-DVD, which calls for desperate moves on their part and Toshiba is doing what it has to do or should I say, what it can do. It almost amounts to giving away the HD-DVD players to survive in the race. I have a feeling this also has a lot to do with Warner. I can imagine a meeting in which Warner makes it clear to the HD-DVD group, "we have decided to go one format exclusive and unless we see a major jump in HD-DVD's share of HD sales, we may go with Blu-Ray".
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Originally Posted by Cees Alons
Really?
I'm not familiar with current prices of DVD-players in the US, but over here that's still not less expensive than most DVD-players. And no-one is suggesting that those are given away. Cees |
