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post #31 of 50
8/11/07 at 1:15am

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Don, it probably said "produit de E.U." (Etats-Uni) which would be French for "produce of U.S."
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post #32 of 50
8/11/07 at 11:25am

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Ah-ha! Thanks, Marko!
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post #33 of 50
8/13/07 at 1:17pm

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A new development in the tainted toy story:

BEIJING, China (AP) -- The head of a Chinese manufacturing company accused of shipping hundreds of thousands of lead-tainted toys later recalled in the United States has committed suicide, a state-run newspaper said Monday.
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post #34 of 50
8/14/07 at 2:39am

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One of the best presents I ever got was a really good juicer.
We make our own juice here at Casa Mack so we know EXACTLY what goes into it and where it's from...!

Today we had a red and green apple/pear/grape/carrot/celery/ginger juice. Dynamite!

VERY worth the investment!

d
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post #35 of 50
8/14/07 at 7:02am

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Lead paint toy story update

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1187...googlenews_wsj

More toys to be recalled.

This won't be the end of it. Toys'R'us have announced that they're expanding their American and European manufactured toy section.
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post #36 of 50
8/14/07 at 3:09pm

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Amazing it takes something this crazy for people to realize that the "Walmart-ization" of America might not be all that great a thing...

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post #37 of 50
8/14/07 at 3:54pm

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Funny too that as the US economy tanks there's this anti-chinese movement. Lead paint in chinese toys? Old news.

A little too convenient with the timing IMO.
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post #38 of 50
8/14/07 at 5:50pm

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Well, I don't think poisoning animals with tainted pet food was a conspiracy due to the economy...

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post #39 of 50
8/14/07 at 8:27pm

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Speaking of a mandatory country of origin law........

http://www.americansforlabeling.org/

This from a 2003 article on the BBC news site:

COOL now voluntary but new bill would make it mandatory

Doesn't look like it ever passed.
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A new US law requiring country-of-origin labels on many food products could cost American firms up to $3.9bn (£2.3bn) in its first year, the Agriculture Department has said.
Farming and consumer groups say the labels are necessary to distinguish homegrown produce from foreign competitors.

Currently, origin labels are voluntary, but the law will impose fines of up to $10,000 per violation.

US retailers and food producers want the law repealed, saying it will be both costly and bureaucratic.

No benefit

The USDA analysis will please the Bush administration, which also opposes the law.

The legislation emerged from Congress, which launched a sweeping reform of farm policy last year.

The USDA admitted that the $3.9bn figure was the top end of its cost estimates, and said the bill could be as low as $600m.

But it insisted that the law had no measurable benefit.

"USDA also finds little evidence that consumers are likely to increase their purchase of food items bearing the US origin label as a result of this rulemaking," the department said.
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post #40 of 50
8/15/07 at 7:34am
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Some States already have laws requiring country of origin labelling for some food products. I live in Florida and all fresh produce must have country of origin labels on the package or on the shelf label.

Regarding the most recent toy recall it appears that the Chinese company is responsible for the lead paint. But who is responsible for the small magnets that can be swallowed by children. Is it the manufacturer or the company responsible for the design of the toy (Mattel). If it is the fault of the design then it seems that Mattel is trying to shift blame to the Chinese. If the design was not to blame but the manufacturing process was (the magnets not securely fastened, for example) then it is still down to Mattel to inspect their products.
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post #41 of 50
8/15/07 at 8:07am

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The chairman of the Chinese factory that made the recalled Fisher Price toys, (conveniently, I must add) hung himself to days ago.


Cees
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post #42 of 50
8/15/07 at 8:19am
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Sounds a bit like what happened to a witness in "Analyze That".

Dr. Ben Sobel: I thought you were in prison?
Jelly: It would appear not.
Dr. Ben Sobel: How'd you get out?
Jelly: I had a new trial. Turns out that the evidence in the first trial was tainted.
Dr. Ben Sobel: O, I see
Jelly: Anyway, two of the witnesses decided not to testify and the third guy, well, he commited suicide.
Dr. Ben Sobel: How?
Jelly: He stabbed himself in the back four times and threw himself off a bridge
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post #43 of 50
8/15/07 at 8:23am

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But who is responsible for the small magnets that can be swallowed by children. Is it the manufacturer or the company responsible for the design of the toy (Mattel). If it is the fault of the design then it seems that Mattel is trying to shift blame to the Chinese. If the design was not to blame but the manufacturing process was (the magnets not securely fastened, for example) then it is still down to Mattel to inspect their products.
That's my reading as well. Guy on the radio said it was a design issue, but due to the unfortunate timing of this recall, that factoid is getting lost in the current scare. News outlets sure aren't going out of their way to explain that the origin of the toys in this case may have little to do with the problem, and that Mattel's engineering is to blame.

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post #44 of 50
8/15/07 at 8:53am

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Marianne,

Similar thoughts as yours went through my mind.


Cees
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post #45 of 50
8/15/07 at 9:06am

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Whenever Possible, I Buy ABC. Thats;

Anywhere

But

China!
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post #46 of 50
8/15/07 at 11:07am
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Another thing relating to the toy recall. Obviously the first thing people will be concerned with is their children's safety, but then comes the question: I paid good money for these toys - do I get a refund?
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post #47 of 50
8/15/07 at 11:35am

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I have to admit that I rarely ever looked at country of origin labels on food. I usually buy Martinelli's apple juice and sparkling cider but I picked up a couple of jugs of Target brand AJ the other day. Sure enough it says "China concentrate" on the bottles. I guess it's time to become more diligent about these things and I think my flowers will be getting a nice treat of apple juice.
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post #48 of 50
8/16/07 at 7:05am

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Originally Posted by Marianne
Another thing relating to the toy recall. Obviously the first thing people will be concerned with is their children's safety, but then comes the question: I paid good money for these toys - do I get a refund?

If they're part of the specific recall, then yes. If not, then no.

The thing is Matell found a small batch of toys (1 million) contaminated with lead and recalled them. Two weeks later they recalled an order of magnitude more (9 million). I don't know but I suspect they decided that they'd better test everything from China and recall anything dangerous. Kudos to Matell for doing the right thing.

BUT

How come nobody else has issued a massive recall. Either A) Matell was amazingly unlucky and bought the only lead contaminated toys made in China. or B) Other toy manufacturers have not take the action of testing their catalogue of toys just to be safe and are knowingly leaving contaminated toys on the market. Given the fact that the use of lead paint is endemic in Chinese toy manufactuer, my vote is for B.

That's why we've disposed of all our Chinese made toys. It would be statistically unlikely that no other toy importer bought contaminated toys.
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post #49 of 50
8/16/07 at 8:35am
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Phill, I didn't find any mention of refunds or replacements on Mattel's website but found this in WalMart's recalls section relating to the "Sarge" toy lead paint recall:

"Remedy: Consumers should immediately take the recalled toys away from children and contact Mattel. Consumers will need to return the product to receive a replacement toy."

Hmm, I wonder where Mattel will get all the replacement toys from?

Regarding the Chinese CEO who committed suicide there was an interview with some of the employees of the factory who have now lost their jobs. They don't blame their boss, they blame the local paint supplier, who didn't supply the correct paint. Apparently, the supplier and his family have disappeared.
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post #50 of 50
8/16/07 at 9:08am

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Originally Posted by Marianne
Phill, I didn't find any mention of refunds or replacements on Mattel's website but found this in WalMart's recalls section relating to the "Sarge" toy lead paint recall:

"Remedy: Consumers should immediately take the recalled toys away from children and contact Mattel. Consumers will need to return the product to receive a replacement toy."

Hmm, I wonder where Mattel will get all the replacement toys from?

Regarding the Chinese CEO who committed suicide there was an interview with some of the employees of the factory who have now lost their jobs. They don't blame their boss, they blame the local paint supplier, who didn't supply the correct paint. Apparently, the supplier and his family have disappeared.


I thought they were refunding. a replacement seems a poor deal for a parent who no longer trusts the supply chain. having said that I think Metell toys are probably the safest imported toys right now as it looks like they're rigorously testing everything.

As for the paint supplier. The employees of the factory are misinformed if they think their boss isn't at fault. Matell vet the paint suppliers because the use of lead paint in toy manufacture in China is a known problem. The factory changed to a cheaper supplier, without asking permission from Matell. The mistake that Matell made is not checking up frequently enough.

NPR were claiming that it's standard business practise in China to double check that your supplier is doing what they promised because on the flip side, changing to a cheap supplier as soon as the company you're supplying isn't watching is standard practice. They claimed int their report that it's very much a 'caveat emptor' economy.
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