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My Take on EMA

post #1 of 23
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I've noticed some talk about the "Power User" panel being non-indicative of the typical HTF member. How true! Please keep in mind, we are not the typical "Power User" consumers the panel was probably looking for.

While VHS may be dead to many of us, believe it or not, there is still a large VHS consumer base out there. If you talk to retailers with an older demographic (senior) customer base, you might be surprised to learn that many older people have problems with DVD menus. DVD menus are often non-intuitive and are usually not simply insert & play. VHS tapes are easier for older folks to deal with. Of course, this means that they are renting older titles and watching newer releases on cable(either through premium channels or VOD).

The High Definition viewing universe is still small in comparison to standard definition. This was made clear over and over again with the statistics and viewing habits touted by EMA and provided by DEG and other groups. Give the general population time. They'll learn how to hook up those HD TVs to get HD signals. Then, when they're ready for High Definition DVDs they'll really be faced with a dilemma. Which end of the High definition DVD egg do they choose to open up? (Read Gulliver's Travels to better understand this analogy or rent the DVD.)

Entertainment content delivery can be physical or electronic, stationary or mobile. There are still approximately 10,000 video retailers out there and the industry is a complex mix of store retailers, internet retailers, downloading, etc. Because of the HTF presentation schedule, we missed the opportunity to sit in on the highly informative panel discussions taking place concurrently that dealt with some of these issues. Perhaps next time the HTF will have a chance to participate in some of these sessions.

As I've written before, there just wasn't enough time to take everything in or to talk to as many retailers as I would have liked. Foot traffic at the show was definitely down from last year. But, all the exhibitors I spoke with said that even with the decrease in attendees, they were having quality meetings with buyers. This could be indicative of the show turning away from the independent retailers who really created the industry and towards the big box stores.

The exhibit suites offer an aura of professionalism but old-timers like me miss the excitement and buzz from a really active sales floor. I've always felt that anyone who had an exhibit suite should also have a presence on the sales floor. The suite to be used for meetings and the sales floor area for distribution of sales material, screeners and celebrity appearances.
post #2 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

So, Andrew....

First, thanks for your insightful comments. I realize you are
a veteran of these shows and based on that I am most interested
to hear your opinion about our presence there.

Obviously EMA brought our group out as an experiment to see
if including consumers would add any freshness to the show which
has been declining in attendance over the years.

If I can be permitted to say this, I think we did a great job and
that it seemed that our presentations rivaled those that EMA were
giving. In other words, I felt as if WE were the place to check out!

Do you feel that bringing our group out to EMA has made a
positive difference in the show? Do you think that EMA will go
out of their way to invite us back next year?

Please be honest. We won't have any hurt feelings, I promise!
post #3 of 23
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Re: My Take on EMA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
So, Andrew....

First, thanks for your insightful comments. I realize you are
a veteran of these shows and based on that I am most interested
to hear your opinion about our presence there.

Obviously EMA brought our group out as an experiment to see
if including consumers would add any freshness to the show which
has been declining in attendance over the years.

If I can be permitted to say this, I think we did a great job and
that it seemed that our presentations rivaled those that EMA were
giving. In other words, I felt as if WE were the place to check out!

Do you feel that bringing our group out to EMA has made a
positive difference in the show? Do you think that EMA will go
out of their way to invite us back next year?

Please be honest. We won't have any hurt feelings, I promise!

Since we never saw the other concurrent panel discussions, it's hard to say how good they were. In my experience, it is the smaller panel discussions that are more interesting and allow more interaction between the audience of retailers and the panel members. In that way they are similar to the HTF panels.

For instance, the Wednesday panel, "Multi-Cultural and Specialized Product Offer Growing Opportunities to Satisfy Customers" sounded interesting. What insights could the HTF group offer to learning about new Asian, Bollywood and Anime titles? How different are our learning resources from the retailers? We don't get product sell-sheets. How do we learn about the hottest Korean horror film or the best anime? We could have offered some good info at that session.

The opening business session group of "Power Users" was hyped out of proportion to its importance to the home video retailers. Was anyone there really stunned to learn that the college student doesn't have an HD TV in his dorm room? Or that he doesn't have a large collection of DVDs due to lack of storage space? Now, the single woman who was primarily into games had something interesting to tell. That was learning about how she rents, plays, buys or rapidly moves on to another game if dissatisfied. Of course, this was the first time they've done this type of consumer panel. Hopefully it will be handled differently in the future.

I think the HTF presence definitely had an impact at the show. Both positive and negative. Other members of the press who were not registered with HTF definitely felt left out of our studio swag and free HD and Blu-ray player offers. Studios who didn't know about our presence felt left out of presenting to HTF and would like to have an opportunity next time. Of course, an extra day would be required to allow additional presentations to HTF. If we can arrange this, it would be worthwhile. And we definitely need to do a panel or two with the retailers. If the show really expands to cover the video game industry next time, we might have to run two HTF tracks-one on games and the other on entertainment.

We received mixed press coverage in the show dailies, indicating to some that we were there primarily for swag and that our panel discussions were more acrimonious than they really were. They were lively but that's all. Perhaps a mission statement before attending the next EMA event would help or even issuing our own press releases.

There's only one first time in this reality. We've now "been there and done that." As a group we have skills and knowledge that can be utilized as a resource to the retailers and the industry. That didn't really happen at this show. It's time to analyze what occurred not just with our own survey but with EMA surveying the retailers and exhibitors about our presence and how we can be better integrated into the next EMA show.
post #4 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Some terrif comments in your post immediately above, Andrew--with which I agree for the most part, especially with regards to Jennifer Netherby's trade coverage of our attendance and the possible need for HTF/Bits to release our own press releases (or at least do so via the EMA). Indeed, I think those issues are related.

I, too, would have liked to attend that "Multi-Cultural and Specialized Product" panel. I had marked both that one and the one on the "Future Of Retail" as ones I wanted to attend if time permitted (it didn't).

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Studios who didn't know about our presence felt left out of presenting to HTF and would like to have an opportunity next time.
Are you referring to boutiques and smaller houses? I think all the majors knew we were there . . .
post #5 of 23
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Re: My Take on EMA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul.S
Are you referring to boutiques and smaller houses? I think all the majors knew we were there . . .

I'm certain the majors knew about us but the smaller studios/labels didn't. My contact at Naxos certainly expressed surprise and interest in the HTF presence. Now, just how interested HTF might be in a presentation from a smaller studio/label is another story. But, you might recall that it was a small label, Lumivision that released the first DVDs in the US in March 1997. Their titles streeted even before the Warner releases.
post #6 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

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My contact at Naxos certainly expressed surprise and interest in the HTF presence. Now, just how interested HTF might be in a presentation from a smaller studio/label is another story.
I think this is where it might behoove us to make sure denizens of the Music area of the Forum are engaged. I'm rare, but certainly not alone, in being as into music and high resolution as I am movies and high def.

Looking forward to the Naxos Jazz Icons sampler that Sean Hickey is sending me.
post #7 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Andrew,

Have much to comment upon your reply.

It's interesting (but understandable) that anyone would think that
attendees came to the HTF function just for the "swag." Though there
were a few of us who knew in advance about the free players, that
knowledge was limited to those organizing the event. We never told any of
you in advance just how well you were going to be treated because
the last thing we wanted was anyone coming out just for free stuff.

In fact, next year if we are invited back, we are going to make a
point up front that there will be a minimal amount of swag available
to attendees. Those who attended this year were VERY lucky. It
was THE BITS and HTF 10th anniversary and for that reason we
walked away with over $1k worth of goodies. We intend to make
certain to inform people that will NEVER happen again.

We want people to come out for the event and experience of being
with other like members -- not for the freebies. Those who came out
to our event this year had no idea what was in store for them so to
be accused otherwise is quite ludicrous. I can understand, however,
people not knowing the situation first-hand thinking otherwise.

Next....

The biggest mistake we made this year was not arranging events
prior to and following the opening and closing sessions. Doing so
would have given our members more of an opportunity to get to
know each other at the start of the show, and have some sort of
send-off at the end. In hindsight, we ended things rather abruptly
and never even had the opportunity to say "goodbye" or "thank you"
to everyone. That was regrettable.

On the other hand, I think being this was our very first effort to
put on a show like this, I think we did pretty damn well. I give a
lot of credit to <b>SV SOUND</b> and <b>BenQ</b> for supplying us with
state-of-the-art equipment. And as much credit that has been given
to me for organizing things with all of you, a much bigger credit needs
to be given to <b>Adam Gregorich</b> who negotiated not only to get
the presenters we had, but pushed to get all of you extra freebies in your
hands. Adam did a remarkable job as did <b>Gregg Loewen</b>.

We are concerned that the smaller companies felt slighted that they
were not asked to present to our group -- and trust me, we considered
having them aboard --- but realistically, do you think they would hold
the attention of everyone there? I don't mean to sound as negative as
I seem, but these smaller companies have very obscure product that
only a sect of the audience would relate with. Actually, I think that
when it comes to these smaller companies it's better that those with
a particular interest in that genre visit the companies on their own.

I didn't want to tell all of you this in advance of the show, but now
I can....

We contacted every major studio out there to come meet with us.
Paramount turned us down because they felt they had nothing to
show. DreamWorks didn't have <i>Shrek The Third</i> ready for us
so they also turned us down. All the Blu-Ray studios wanted to put
their efforts into throwing a party rather than giving individual
presentations, which I am not going to complain about.

I also think July is a horrible, horrible time of year to hold EMA,
but I am told that exhibitors want it that time of year. Really, if
you want to do this show right, it needs to be done in September.
At that time, the studios have their Q4 product ready to roll and
we could have gotten more of them aboard to show off titles such
as <i>Harry Potter</i> or <i>Transformers</i>. It's the time of
year that the studios really want to push product they have prepared.

All things aside, I think that the presence of consumers at EMA is
an absolute necessity. Of course some may interpret my opinion as
being bias, but from what I saw, the show is in great need of a new
paint job. If I were there as a retailer I would have been bored to
death. As I may have mentioned before, I think what we had going
on in our room was the best part of the entire EMA show.

And you know what? We have already told EMA our interest in
coming back next year. I think that THE BITS/TSOD and HTF can
do something even more amazing next year -- and we would love
to share it with as many Press and EMA attendees as we can.

Bill Hunt and HTF have always dreamed of doing a consumer
software show on our own. Truth is, we can't afford to do it.
Through EMA, however, we have the facilities provided to us and
we are more than willing to work our asses off every year to give
people a GREAT show next year. I know <b>SV SOUND</b> and
<b>BenQ</b> is ready to help us out. I know we can get studios
back out. Additionally, if they move to LA next year, we can get
our group out on a few studio lots and have a great HTF/BITS/TSOD
function next year.

We have received most of the surveys back that we sent to you
in email. Thus far, 100% of the responses we received back say
that swag aside, that you guys want to come back next year for
another function.

Andrew, if EMA does invite us back, we would happy to consider
any advice you would have for us to make the show better for
everyone.
post #8 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Ron, for some reason I never received the survey. Would you mind resending it, please?
post #9 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Michael,

If I have the right member, you have a GMAIL account.

Chances are it put the survey in a spam folder as GMAIL
has a very strong filter.

I have asked Adam to resend the survey to your email address
but ask you to be on the lookout for it throughout the day.
post #10 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Hi, Ron,

First of, let me also extend a compliment to Andrew. I rememember him from the View Video days, and he is a good, knowledgeable person, who seems to understand why i see missed opportunites here.

Now, a few comments


It's interesting (but understandable) that anyone would think that
attendees came to the HTF function just for the "swag." Though there
were a few of us who knew in advance about the free players, that
knowledge was limited to those organizing the event. We never told any of
you in advance just how well you were going to be treated because
the last thing we wanted was anyone coming out just for free stuff.

In fact, next year if we are invited back, we are going to make a
point up front that there will be a minimal amount of swag available
to attendees. Those who attended this year were VERY lucky. It
was THE BITS and HTF 10th anniversary and for that reason we
walked away with over $1k worth of goodies. We intend to make
certain to inform people that will NEVER happen again.

First of all. I hope you do come back, and am gald to see your comments here

We want people to come out for the event and experience of being
with other like members -- not for the freebies. Those who came out
to our event this year had no idea what was in store for them so to
be accused otherwise is quite ludicrous. I can understand, however,
people not knowing the situation first-hand thinking otherwise.

Here I'll slightly disagree. Since the freebies became a focal point of the coverage, and the initial post-convention comments, including some people doing a $$$ total on the stuff, it is fully understandable why I and others would focus on that aspect as well. Given that some of you knew in advance, It should have occured that this would be perceived as such, and I'll go more into that below.


On the other hand, I think being this was our very first effort to
put on a show like this, I think we did pretty damn well. I give a
lot of credit to <b>SV SOUND</b> and <b>BenQ</b> for supplying us with
state-of-the-art equipment. And as much credit that has been given
to me for organizing things with all of you, a much bigger credit needs
to be given to <b>Adam Gregorich</b> who negotiated not only to get
the presenters we had, but pushed to get all of you extra freebies in your
hands. Adam did a remarkable job as did <b>Gregg Loewen</b>.

This is where I have to disagree. you must remember that you were invited to OUR event, and that all indications were that Questex, who actually puts on the event, never made the effort to integrate your portion of the show into what the indie retailers come for, and that is knowledge. Would it be afar to say that coverage of your event by HMR, which by the way, is owned by Questex, would cut coevrage of what the indie retailers there, and reading at home, would accomplish? iDEA , which is the indie wing of EMA, introduced an intenet bacbone and system that will allow indie retailers to act like a Netflix, and particiapte in downloads in the future, but did you see a speck of coverage in HMR? You are descrbing extra effort to get your equipment, your presenters, and your extra freebies, but you gave nothing back to the indie retailers, and all we want is your experience.

In another thread, I believe that you stated that you seminars were the best during the show. I STRONGLY beg to differ, for many of the same reasons Andrew mentions. As a trade show, the iDEA seminars were excellently received and powerful for the attendees. while , because of your focus, your seminars were great for your group, they did nothing for us, because we weren't notified of an participation opportunities. Again, you came to a trade show, whose major purpose is to educate and help retailers. We could have used your knowledge and advice. We have a deep vested interest in the future of this business, and have to battle Questex to get attention.

Someone mentioned that you guys grew out of the events at Dave's Place [Laser Disc]. Do you think Dave's Place would exist today given the studios attitude towards indie retailers? Indie retailers are a sepcial a breed as HTF members. Once you saw what indie retailers are capable of today, we might have had another advocate to work with the studios. Agaim,while I am glad you came, and love the forum, you should have known who comes and why we come, and the main purpose and expectations for the even from the attendees, who also pay a lot of money to come


We are concerned that the smaller companies felt slighted that they
were not asked to present to our group -- and trust me, we considered
having them aboard --- but realistically, do you think they would hold
the attention of everyone there? I don't mean to sound as negative as
I seem, but these smaller companies have very obscure product that
only a sect of the audience would relate with. Actually, I think that
when it comes to these smaller companies it's better that those with
a particular interest in that genre visit the companies on their own.

If the purpose of your trip was to learn and experience, and advance the format, I would hope your would pay attention to ALL size distributors, and not just the majors. Being that you are blogging and are perceived as experts, to not want to know all about every aspect would disappoint me. Refering to some of these as obscure is just as belittling as when TK Arnold claims in HMR that the show was successful, but that there is a "conflict" with the indie retailers, and alludes to the need to not have us there.



All things aside, I think that the presence of consumers at EMA is
an absolute necessity. Of course some may interpret my opinion as
being bias, but from what I saw, the show is in great need of a new
paint job. If I were there as a retailer I would have been bored to
death. As I may have mentioned before, I think what we had going
on in our room was the best part of the entire EMA show.

Again, I absolutely disagree, because, for indie retailers, you were as close to us as the East Coast was to Vegas. For your group, the statement may be true, but for us, I can name a number of better seminars. That doesn't mean you couldn't be the best in the show, but since we didn't interact, we will never actually know. As a retailer, we WERE bored to death at the parties and the opening session, but we were really amazing during our IndieExpo and our seminars. Since this is a trade show, adding consumers makes it E3, and while that worked for a couple of years, you saw E3 contact its size and scope bigtime this year, eleiminating much of the consumer admittance.

And you know what? We have already told EMA our interest in
coming back next year. I think that THE BITS/TSOD and HTF can
do something even more amazing next year -- and we would love
to share it with as many Press and EMA attendees as we can.

I would love you particiaption in the convention next year,and at other indie events, like The IndieEXPO at sEA, and a proposed Indie CAMP. I do have to ask, though, who you actuall interacted with during the show who was actually from EMA, aand who was actually from Questex, because they are two entirely different groups. I've seen the name Martin Blyhte reffered to as EMA, and as far as I know, he only works for the show, and is not an actual employee of EMA. Did you meet Bo Andersen, or Sean Bersell, or Jim Loperfido or any of the iDEA Board Of Trustees or Frank Lucca or any of the EMA/IDEa staff?

Again, I love the forum, and really do not blame you or envy anything that took place, except for the missed oppotunites, and how Questex made sure we didn't get in the way of your event, even though you were at out event. I would strongly urge you to take advantage of Andrew's experience and knoledge and, most of all, wisdom if you attend again. You have a chance to really grow this entire business, and we have a lot to show you as well.

Adrian Hickman
IDEA
TLA Video

Andrew, if EMA does invite us back, we would happy to consider
any advice you would have for us to make the show better for
everyone.[/quote]
post #11 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Adrian,

Very nice to meet you and welcome to our forum.

It seems to me that perhaps part of the problem is that
there were too many different goals being presented at EMA
with several people handling different aspects of the show.

In other words, no, we did not meet or became aware of Bo
Andersen, Sean Bersell or Jim Loperfido. As far as we were
concerned, our main contacts were Martin and a few other people
who represented themselves as part of EMA. Fair enough.

As I had talked about, we were brought out to bring a new "angle"
to the show in having consumers take part and have a voice in
how they perceived the status of the Home Entertainment market.
Since none of us have ever been invited to VSDA, EMA or any sort
of show that is normally closed to the public, we had no idea exactly
what the purpose of the show was other than a venue for retailers
to meet with software companies to get information on upcoming
product.

Absolutely, the entire duration of the show I was very focused on
what we were doing. I also felt that everyone involved with our
function really did a great job. You'll have to excuse me for being
so proud of that aspect, but having never done something like this
before, it is just incredible to see how smoothly things went.

I must say that we are greatly disappointed we could not involve
everyone at our event. I was told in advance there would be Press,
but I had no idea that we were closed off from the rest of the show.
With the amount of dedication put into this event from everyone,
I would have hoped that EMA would have opened our events up to
all the attendees. I was surprised we weren't even on the posted
show schedule.

Perhaps the "powers that be" felt that since we were a small group
of consumers and didn't know what to expect from us, that we would
be quietly kept in our own area to do our own thing.

Believe me, by the second day of the show I started hearing word
circulating that many attendees were upset they were not included
in our events. Trust me when I say that I was not happy they weren't
invited.

After reading your post, I feel a little awkward about some of the
comments I made. It seems that you exercised a lot of patience
in your reply understanding that my perception of this show was
through the "eyes" of a consumer rather than the sort of individual
who normally attends these sort of events.

Allow me to apologize for the way I worded my comments towards
independent studios with "obscure" titles. I can see how what I said
could be perceived as a slap in the face. Understand that we only
had a limited amount of time to slot events. We went after the big
studios because, naturally, those are the titles that most of our
attendees are familiar with. We also sought to have both the HD-DVD
and Blu-Ray groups aboard as this format war is the hottest topic
amongst enthusiasts.

If we were invited back, would we consider involving independent
companies in our events? Absolutely. My only personal option would
be that we were given more time to fit in some of these companies
and were able to expand the invite to all EMA attendees. This time out
I was just too concerned that if we strayed off the "majors" path that
people would not be able to connect with the smaller companies. When
it comes to independent labels, you have to deal with such a diverse
amount of genres and taste and you hope that you can pick the right
ones that will appeal to your small group. Of course, as stated above,
all that changes once you open these events to a wider audience -- and
we look forward to that.

From the feedback I received from our group, once they left our
events and walked the show floor, they weren't impressed with what
they saw. Some found their favorite independent labels, while others
sort of felt that the booths were a real letdown. Again, this is coming
from a consumer viewpoint and not from someone who was at the show
for other reasons.

Really, in the end, I think the problem is that EMA chose to keep
us a separate event from everything else. That was out of our hands
and I do hope it will change. Also, you are dealing with consumers
who were naturally very unexcited about events that would normally
excite retailers.

We need to find a way to bring everyone together. It not only
benefits websites like HTF, THE BITS and TSOD, but it benefits the
labels and retailers who attend EMA.

Perhaps next year we will have the opportunity to work with
some of you. I already told Andrew we would be willing to seek
him for guidance. I'm certain he will give us sound advice.
post #12 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Quote:
I was surprised we weren't even on the posted
show schedule.

Agree, that was strange, but our events WERE listed in the show dailies tho.

Just repeating what I said in the other thread about this topic since we appear to have opened up this discussion:

Quote:
the smaller guys seemed shocked that folks like me wanted to talk to them, most didnt know how to react to me, a consumer/reviewer, and I did my best to put them at ease and let them know I was just checking out their wares and not trying to scam free screeners... I REALLY wanted to meet with the Starz, Magnolia, and other folks I've reviewed product for in the past and thank them, but they were locked off! Oh well, their loss!

If any of those smaller folks are out there, don't be shy! =)

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I wish I could go back 10 years and talk with my local independant video guys, they didn't want anything to do with consumers like me back then and they are all gone now. I dont envy the ones like you that have survived Adrian, between consumers like me who demand to own packaged media at cutthroat prices and consumers who demand virtual goods for even cheaper or even free, and consumers who mindlessly file into the local blockbuster because they have few other options left, it has to be a challenge every day for you guys. I'd be glad to chat with you or other retailers (and have participated in similar consumer panels in the past!), and I'm sure most of the HTF members would as well...

Sam
post #13 of 23
Thread Starter 

Re: My Take on EMA

Hi, Ron,

First of, let me also extend a compliment to Andrew. I rememember him from the View Video days, and he is a good, knowledgeable person, who seems to understand why i see missed opportunites here.

<b>Wow! Adrian, you are truly a gentleman and a scholar! It's been many a year since I worked at VIEW Video (or Kino or Video Marketing & Publications, among other places).</b>

Now, a few comments

It's interesting (but understandable) that anyone would think that
attendees came to the HTF function just for the "swag." Though there
were a few of us who knew in advance about the free players, that
knowledge was limited to those organizing the event. We never told any of
you in advance just how well you were going to be treated because
the last thing we wanted was anyone coming out just for free stuff.

In fact, next year if we are invited back, we are going to make a
point up front that there will be a minimal amount of swag available
to attendees. Those who attended this year were VERY lucky. It
was THE BITS and HTF 10th anniversary and for that reason we
walked away with over $1k worth of goodies. We intend to make
certain to inform people that will NEVER happen again.

First of all. I hope you do come back, and am gald to see your comments here

<b>The industry is filled with sequels. Why should HTF be any different? But, we need to plan our approach for the next EMA.</b>

We want people to come out for the event and experience of being
with other like members -- not for the freebies. Those who came out
to our event this year had no idea what was in store for them so to
be accused otherwise is quite ludicrous. I can understand, however,
people not knowing the situation first-hand thinking otherwise.

Here I'll slightly disagree. Since the freebies became a focal point of the coverage, and the initial post-convention comments, including some people doing a $$$ total on the stuff, it is fully understandable why I and others would focus on that aspect as well. Given that some of you knew in advance, It should have occured that this would be perceived as such, and I'll go more into that below.

<b> I personally was profoundly surprised to be offered the free HD-DVD & Blu-players. Having attended DEG events at CES, I expected a certain amount of studio swag and thought the participating studios were indeed generous to HTF. Although I usually don't turn down freebies, for me EMA was about making or continuing contacts with the studios/labels and establishing or maintaining a relationship to obtain product to review on a regular basis. Parties are fun but with over 30 years in the film and video industry in one capacity or another, I have a vested interest in continuously learning about the industry I love and what I can do to regularly participate in it as on-line press.</b>

On the other hand, I think being this was our very first effort to
put on a show like this, I think we did pretty damn well. I give a
lot of credit to SV SOUND and BenQ for supplying us with
state-of-the-art equipment. And as much credit that has been given
to me for organizing things with all of you, a much bigger credit needs
to be given to Adam Gregorich who negotiated not only to get
the presenters we had, but pushed to get all of you extra freebies in your
hands. Adam did a remarkable job as did Gregg Loewen.

This is where I have to disagree. you must remember that you were invited to OUR event, and that all indications were that Questex, who actually puts on the event, never made the effort to integrate your portion of the show into what the indie retailers come for, and that is knowledge. Would it be afar to say that coverage of your event by HMR, which by the way, is owned by Questex, would cut coevrage of what the indie retailers there, and reading at home, would accomplish? iDEA , which is the indie wing of EMA, introduced an intenet bacbone and system that will allow indie retailers to act like a Netflix, and particiapte in downloads in the future, but did you see a speck of coverage in HMR? You are descrbing extra effort to get your equipment, your presenters, and your extra freebies, but you gave nothing back to the indie retailers, and all we want is your experience.

<b> I disagree with Adrian on this. This was a first time event for HTF, confusing, awkward and over too quickly. Typically, not everyone was fully satisfied by the experience. HTF was not responsible for the show coverage by HMR or VB. If we do our own press releases or have a designated press spokesperson, we'll have a little better control over our image and how we're covered at the next show.</b>

In another thread, I believe that you stated that you seminars were the best during the show. I STRONGLY beg to differ, for many of the same reasons Andrew mentions. As a trade show, the iDEA seminars were excellently received and powerful for the attendees. while , because of your focus, your seminars were great for your group, they did nothing for us, because we weren't notified of an participation opportunities. Again, you came to a trade show, whose major purpose is to educate and help retailers. We could have used your knowledge and advice. We have a deep vested interest in the future of this business, and have to battle Questex to get attention.

Someone mentioned that you guys grew out of the events at Dave's Place [Laser Disc]. Do you think Dave's Place would exist today given the studios attitude towards indie retailers? Indie retailers are a sepcial a breed as HTF members. Once you saw what indie retailers are capable of today, we might have had another advocate to work with the studios. Agaim,while I am glad you came, and love the forum, you should have known who comes and why we come, and the main purpose and expectations for the even from the attendees, who also pay a lot of money to come

<b> I agree with Adrian that more interaction with the retailers and participation in additional seminars will allow the attendees the opportunity to use HTF as a resource. It's a question of co-ordinating the HTF schedule with the other panel seminars. We want to make HTF an essential part of the industry with relevent information and ideas to its continued success. This is definitely a must at the next EMA. </b>

We are concerned that the smaller companies felt slighted that they
were not asked to present to our group -- and trust me, we considered
having them aboard --- but realistically, do you think they would hold
the attention of everyone there? I don't mean to sound as negative as
I seem, but these smaller companies have very obscure product that
only a sect of the audience would relate with. Actually, I think that
when it comes to these smaller companies it's better that those with
a particular interest in that genre visit the companies on their own.

If the purpose of your trip was to learn and experience, and advance the format, I would hope your would pay attention to ALL size distributors, and not just the majors. Being that you are blogging and are perceived as experts, to not want to know all about every aspect would disappoint me. Refering to some of these as obscure is just as belittling as when TK Arnold claims in HMR that the show was successful, but that there is a "conflict" with the indie retailers, and alludes to the need to not have us there.

<b> I think there are quality smaller studios/labels out there that would hold as much attention or more as the THX presentation at EMA. As Paul Suarez writes in his response, we should look into getting a music presence at the next show. Naxos is a possibility because they are actively involved in restoring archival jazz performance video footage to DVDs and the story behind the restoration process should be of interest to many HTF members. Dealing with video/film restoration and music rights are part of the industry, especially for TV shows on DVD.</b>

All things aside, I think that the presence of consumers at EMA is
an absolute necessity. Of course some may interpret my opinion as
being bias, but from what I saw, the show is in great need of a new
paint job. If I were there as a retailer I would have been bored to
death. As I may have mentioned before, I think what we had going
on in our room was the best part of the entire EMA show.

Again, I absolutely disagree, because, for indie retailers, you were as close to us as the East Coast was to Vegas. For your group, the statement may be true, but for us, I can name a number of better seminars. That doesn't mean you couldn't be the best in the show, but since we didn't interact, we will never actually know. As a retailer, we WERE bored to death at the parties and the opening session, but we were really amazing during our IndieExpo and our seminars. Since this is a trade show, adding consumers makes it E3, and while that worked for a couple of years, you saw E3 contact its size and scope bigtime this year, eleiminating much of the consumer admittance.

<b> VSDA (now EMA) has adapted and evolved over the years just as the home video industry has adapted and evolved. A consumer presence (other than HTF) would seem warranted only if they have something viable and valuable to contribute to the show and the industry. Since most HTF members never saw the other panel discussions, I don't think we can comment on our room being the best at the show. Perhaps best for the HTF attendees but not best for the inherent purpose of the other show attendees-the retailers.</b>

And you know what? We have already told EMA our interest in
coming back next year. I think that THE BITS/TSOD and HTF can
do something even more amazing next year -- and we would love
to share it with as many Press and EMA attendees as we can.

I would love you particiaption in the convention next year,and at other indie events, like The IndieEXPO at sEA, and a proposed Indie CAMP. I do have to ask, though, who you actuall interacted with during the show who was actually from EMA, aand who was actually from Questex, because they are two entirely different groups. I've seen the name Martin Blyhte reffered to as EMA, and as far as I know, he only works for the show, and is not an actual employee of EMA. Did you meet Bo Andersen, or Sean Bersell, or Jim Loperfido or any of the iDEA Board Of Trustees or Frank Lucca or any of the EMA/IDEa staff?

<b> Actually, I did have a personal meeting with an EMA VP the last hour of the show and recived an indication that the HTF presence was considered a success as far as EMA was concerned. I think we should return and the next time we'll be pre-planned and primed to participate fully and contribute mightily!</b>

Again, I love the forum, and really do not blame you or envy anything that took place, except for the missed oppotunites, and how Questex made sure we didn't get in the way of your event, even though you were at out event. I would strongly urge you to take advantage of Andrew's experience and knoledge and, most of all, wisdom if you attend again. You have a chance to really grow this entire business, and we have a lot to show you as well.

<b> Adrian, would that my clients, my wife and my cats venerated my knowledge and wisdom as you do! </b>

Adrian Hickman
IDEA
TLA Video
Andrew, if EMA does invite us back, we would happy to consider
any advice you would have for us to make the show better for
everyone.[/quote]


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Adrian Hickman
IDEA Member
TLA Video, Philly
post #14 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Mr. Hickman:

On the one hand, I’m reluctant to engage you given that--respectfully but frankly--I feel much of your righteous indignation is being misdirected at our membership. Per comments Adam Gregorich made to you upon his closure of the thread you started to first voice these criticisms at the Forum, I think much of these issues should be taken up directly with senior Questex management responsible for the administration of HME. Has your organization approached like-minded members of the EMA Board of Directors and discussed formally bringing these criticisms to the attention of Don Rosenberg?

Having said that, I would surmise that some of the frustrations you articulate have their roots in the same market forces that I would opine are part of the raison d’etre of iDEA, namely, the arguable marginalization of independent retailers as the home video retail industry has increasingly become dominated by “big box” retailers. The question of how EMA, and HME, have responded to that is obviously one about which there are many, many opinions. I’m not even sure this Forum is the best avenue for airing them. If you have issues with the execution/administration of a group gathering, one could argue it is poor form to criticize its guests instead of going straight to the host.

On the other hand though, some comments deserve a response.

Ron wrote:
We want people to come out for the event and experience of being
with other like members -- not for the freebies. Those who came out
to our event this year had no idea what was in store for them so to
be accused otherwise is quite ludicrous. I can understand, however,
people not knowing the situation first-hand thinking otherwise.


You replied:
Here I'll slightly disagree. Since the freebies became a focal point of the coverage, and the initial post-convention comments, including some people doing a $$$ total on the stuff, it is fully understandable why I and others would focus on that aspect as well. Given that some of you knew in advance, It should have occured that this would be perceived as such, and I'll go more into that below.

I second Andrew’s statement that we were not responsible for the Home Media Magazine or VB coverage of our presence at HME. Personally, I find Jennifer Netherby’s July 19 “Retail Not Invited Into High-Def Camps” VB piece particularly problematic.

I'm not 100% done yet, but I've read the vast majority of the HME coverage in the trade press and I've yet to see any valuation done of the gift bags.

Finally in this regard, I'm compelled to ask what exactly you feel the Forum members who were aware in advance of the gifts should have done to (better?) manage the way these gifts might be perceived by some other (jealous?) HME attendees? Ask our members to not speak to the press about what we received, even though it was going to receive coverage in the trade press anyway?

You wrote:
iDEA , which is the indie wing of EMA, introduced an intenet bacbone and system that will allow indie retailers to act like a Netflix, and particiapte in downloads in the future, but did you see a speck of coverage in HMR?

Have you addressed this issue with Mr. Arnold and/or Stephanie Prange and/or Erik Gruenwedel? Is it simply coincidental that HMM did not cover this but VB did (see page 4 of their July 17 issue for a piece entitled “IDEA Develops Online Rental, Sale Network”), or is that indicative of something larger?

One of the stated "Goals and Objectives" of EMA deals with "Trade Press" coverage, so this very well may be something you and some iDEA colleagues may wish to pursue.

http://www.entmerch.org/strategic_plan___mission.html

Someone mentioned that you guys grew out of the events at Dave's Place [Laser Disc]. Do you think Dave's Place would exist today given the studios attitude towards indie retailers?

Ironically, Dave’s no longer exists. It’s my understanding that the closure was due to personal issues/reasons on the part of the couple that owned the store. (And, just for the sake of clarity, neither the Forum nor the Bits grew out of Dave's events. It was some of our L.A. meets which grew from the Dave's events, which were called Studio Days.)

As a retailer, we WERE bored to death at the parties and the opening session, but we were really amazing during our IndieExpo and our seminars.

I’m a little confused with regards to the Opening Business Session: it was there that EMA gave retailers an unprecedented glimpse at a group of “Power User” consumers regarding their consumption practices and habits.

You wrote:
Since this is a trade show, adding consumers makes it E3,

With the caveat that I think you were being pithy to make a point, we’ll have to agree to disagree on this reductionist statement. I think there’s a difference between the ~70 Bits readers/HTF members who were invited guests of the EMA, partly on the occasion of the birthdays of those sites, and members of the general public who might buy a ticket to attend E3.

Ron wrote:
We also sought to have both the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray groups aboard as this format war is the hottest topic amongst enthusiasts.

The HD disc format war’s role in the way the cookie crumbled with regards to both the Bits/HTF group being invited and the HD presence at HME should not be underestimated. We didn’t end up with as much panel discussion participation from the major studios as some of us would have liked. But it sounds like even an event such as the HD DVD / Universal panel might not have been something that the EMA wanted to pursue incorporating into the broader show schedule given Bo Andersen’s position in that regard. Are you aware of his position—with which I disagree and surmise much of our membership would as well—that “it’s too early in format adoption to have a retailer panel about high-def”? The quote from the July 19 VB story I mention above is: “There’s too much of a threshold question right now.” (This would seem to fly in the face of another EMA "Goal and Objective," per the link I mentioned earlier. One such "Objective" is "Format Promotion": "1e) Format Promotion: Support the launch of new entertainment software formats through a coordinated effort including in-store educational and p-o-p material.")

Anyway, I would argue that it is that very “threshold” that compelled the largesse of the HD DVD and Blu-ray-supporting studios at this very critical historical moment for the HD packaged media formats: they know that they’re giving software and hardware to some of the most vocal, well-informed, Web-savvy, early adopting consumers around. These consumers are the ones who are going to go to blogs and forums such as this one and spread the word about these formats—the picture and audio quality of the software, for instance—thereby helping push us past that tipping point/”threshold.” Clearly, their beneficence was motivated by a format partisan desire to win the hearts and minds of critical consumers such as the membership of this Forum. I, for one, take issue with anyone who might see fit to criticize our membership for enjoying the spoils of a war we had no role in starting.

Paul
post #15 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

I am frankly amazed at the comments being made by Mr. Hickman earlier in this thread. I completely agree with Ron, Paul and Sam. This is the first HTF meeting I attended and I invested my time and money for this meeting mainly for the following reasons:

(Remember I am a surgeon in San Juan, Puerto Rico, who decided to close his practice for a week for this meeting..... getting to Vegas wasn't just a quick drive for me....)

My main reason was to meet fellow forum members who have the same passion for home theater as I do. I wanted to finally put a face to all these people whose comments I've been reading through the years. In particular, I wanted to meet RAF (Robert A. Fowkes) with whom I first started "chatting" about laserdiscs in the good old Compuserve days about 20 years ago. (I believe I was using a Coleco ADAM computer at the time with a 1200 baud modem). I was one of those diehard laserdisc enthusiasts who refused to convert to the "new" DVD format, until RAF's endless threads made me see the light.

This was my main goal for attending this meeting, and boy, was it surpased! Besides finally meeting RAF, I now know what a great bunch of guys the members of these forum are.

Regarding "swag"....well, the only thing I expected from this trip besides a T-shirt were probably some independent DVD screener titles, a bag and maybe some ballpoint pens. What we got was TRULY AMAZING, and I believe that over 99% of those who attended had no idea we were going to get these gifts.

The folks at EMA should realize that there are other consumers (like us) that they have to cater to; not just those of that opening day panel with Leo Laporte. As a group we can provide them with information from our point of view, which they could use to further market their products. And we could learn of new "independent" product that we would eventually buy. I for one went to several of the suites, and saw some titles that I'll definitely be buying once they are released. It's a shame that many of the suites had a "closed door / by appointment only" policy, which to me was more their loss than ours. For a show such as this I was really surprised at the main exhibit hall floor with the scanty presentations which I completely covered in less than 10 minutes.

Last week I read some remarks by Jennifer Netherby which sounded more like sour grapes to me. It sounded like who the hell are these kids who crashed our party and walked out with all these gifts. I sincerely hope that the powers that be at EMA do not share her beliefs. If given the oportunity I would most likely attend this meeting this year, fully realizing that this meeting is not about "swag"....it's all about "people".

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Ron and company made this a GREAT event which they should be proud of. I'll be eternally grateful to them for the oportunity of attending this meeting.
post #16 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Hi, Paul, and thanks for the reply. Trust me, my indignation is not aimed at the forum members. I have repeated that I have great respect for the HTF, but since the HTF and the meeting were a focal point of some coverage, and were unavailable to regular attendees [For the record, the meetings were listed in VB, but not in HMR, and if you read the current weekly edition of VB, you will see some confusion as to whether retialers were welcome]. Since it involved the HTF, of course it is logical to come to this forum. I originally came here after the show, to see what the response was, but most of the talk was of what the members brought back, overweight baggage that almost got slapped with a $30 surcharge, pictures of many free DVD's and talk of the free plyers, but not much that I could take back to my store to improve my business.
I was hoping to learn something, as I would have liked during the show.

However, I have read some great posts and PM's since then, and now miss what might have been and wasn't. As for the POWER USERS panel, I would assume that you didn't see it, because it was an unqualified joke. There was no give and take, the moderator seemed taken aback when a panelist mentioned Blockbuster and the audience grumbled, one of them was a lawyer who illegally downloads because he can't wait and also claimed to have rented "300" already, even though it doesn't street until this Tuesday [this comment wasn't challenged as well], and the other instances that I mentioned in other posts.

Your group are power users, they were not.

As for talking to TK or anyone at HMR, forget it. Last year, I was told by an editor unnamed that he didn't have space to cover any of the iDEA events and seminars, because they had big news to cover, the release of ICE AGE 2. Breaking news? No, it was the focus of a two page ad. This editor told us that if we wanted coverage, we should buy an ad. I used to have great conversations with TK. I haven't had them for a few years, now.

IMHO, this story comes into more focus when you see that HMR is owned by Questex, which is the company the runs the show. Please count the number and topics of Indie related stories in VB, and compare them to HMR's coverage. Better yet, count how many pictures TK shows up in each HMR.

In addition, read TK's wrap up column, where he declares the show a great success, and says that the only problem is the "conflict" of having indie members in EMA, implying that the conflict is only resolved by losing the indies.

Again, I trust that HTF was not aware of the scope of the show. Questex, and Martin Blythe, et al, were, and chose to go this route. While I don't know which VP you talked with [Sean, Mark Fisher, Carrie Dietrich], except for Sean, who is a good buddy and a great legal advocate for the Association, they don't involve themselves with the iDEA side, so for their purposes, the show was fine, because it pleased the big guys.

BTW, I've been in this business since 1983, and intend to be in it much longer. many of my original sales reps for local distributors may now be people you talk with, such as David Bishop and Joel Goldman, at SPHE, who used to be my Schwartz Brothers sales people; Joe Amodei of Arts Alliance America, who I've know since Live Home Video; Ken Graffeo, who used to be my competitor at West Coast Video;, Steve Apple who is with Questex, and was my editor when I wrote the Children's Column for the now-defunct VIDEO INSIDER MAGAZINE, and Dennis Maguire, who runs an International division of Buena Vista, who was my Disney sales rep.

Again, I am enjoying this debate, because it has at least opened my eyes, and hopefully yours, as well.
post #17 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Hi, Raul,

I have to disagree with you. EMA is Entertainment Merchants Association, and iDEA is a dvision of same, the Independent Dealers of Entertainment Association. The annual convention is a meeting designed for retailers to network and discover new products amd initiatives.

The HTF was a good event, but it was held on top of our event. This event has been held for over a quarter of a century.

The retailers also made made business adjustments to allow us to attend, paid airfare and lodging and meals, and many paid $450 for the event itself.

I agree with what I've quoted from you posting, but I take real exception to the rest.

Jennifer Netherby's column was a fair, balanced take on the show. It wasn't criticizing HTF, it was criticizing that no attempt was made for the twain to meet. That is beyond valid, it is truthful.

Adrian

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Originally Posted by Raul Marquez,MD
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The folks at EMA should realize that there are other consumers (like us) that they have to cater to; not just those of that opening day panel with Leo Laporte. As a group we can provide them with information from our point of view, which they could use to further market their products. And we could learn of new "independent" product that we would eventually buy. I for one went to several of the suites, and saw some titles that I'll definitely be buying once they are released. It's a shame that many of the suites had a "closed door / by appointment only" policy, which to me was more their loss than ours. For a show such as this I was really surprised at the main exhibit hall floor with the scanty presentations which I completely covered in less than 10 minutes.

Last week I read some remarks by Jennifer Netherby which sounded more like sour grapes to me. It sounded like who the hell are these kids who crashed our party and walked out with all these gifts. I sincerely hope that the powers that be at EMA do not share her beliefs. If given the oportunity I would most likely attend this meeting this year, fully realizing that this meeting is not about "swag"....it's all about "people".

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, Ron and company made this a GREAT event which they should be proud of. I'll be eternally grateful to them for the oportunity of attending this meeting.
post #18 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

I would like to second what Raul has said, and add a few comments.

When we were offered the opporunity to sign up for the EMA Expo in Las Vegas, we had to make a commitment before we had any idea what was in store for us. We had no schedule. We had no idea that we would have the opportunity meet Ernest Borgnine, Katt Williams, Jeff Goldblum, and Dennis Farina. I had a sense that we would probably get some free DVDs and promotional materials, but that was it. We didn't learn about the HD DVD offer until a few days ahead of time, and the Blu-Ray offer came as a total surprise.

We had to pay for our own airfare, our own lodging, our own local transporation, and (other than the hors d'oeuvres that we got at the parties) our own meals. We weren't on expense accounts, most of us used vacation time to make the trip, and for most of us none of our expenses are tax-deductible.

We were treated very, very nicely but any suggestions that we made out like bandits are oversimplifications.
post #19 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Ditto Richard and Raul's comments. They said it much more eloquently than I could have.
post #20 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

I just want to add to the comments. Like the posts above, I also took off a week from work, paid my airfare, hotel, and meals; but that was my choice to be part of the show. I have no regrets even if I received nothing. I met a great group of people and hopefully we can do this again.

When I attend technology trade shows, there has been downloadable presentations from each seminar. I was hoping that this would be the case with HME. Are these available?

As for communicating with the different groups at the show, I would have enjoyed talking to anyone in the industry. Now that we are past the show, I would not mind giving my email address or answer survey questions outside of the show to help promote the business. This forum is good place for business owners to ask questions and receive opinions from across the country from people passionate about home entertainment. I think independents have the most difficult business model, especially with new technology around the corner.
post #21 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Unless Ron wants to rebut, this will be the last post on this topic because:
1) I never get to have the last word at home
2) Adrian has started a moving forward thread

EMA asked HTF to come. They didn't tell us what or role would be other than they wanted to add consumers to the show. Martin assisted with some events, and we put together the rest. All Ron and I knew about EMA was that it used to be VSDA. Since we knew nothing about the show or our role, we basically decided that we were going to put together the best event we could without knowing anything about the show, and make sure that the 70 people who went had a good time. That was it. We looked at the scheduled events, and they were all geared toward retailers and weren't something that most of our members would be interested in. No slight is meant to you or your events <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "[/IMG]<st1:place" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Adrian</st1:place></st1:City>, but they were geared toward independent retailers as they should have been. Ours were geared toward enthusiasts as they should have been. (There could be some overlap and as we get closer to next year HTF staff will work with you to identify those areas and see how we can work together on a few events and have better interaction). <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com[IMG]http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/ /><o:p></o:p>
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<FONT color=red>If the purpose of your trip was to learn and experience, and advance the format, I would hope your would pay attention to ALL size distributors, and not just the majors. Being that you are blogging and are perceived as experts, to not want to know all about every aspect would disappoint me. Refering to some of these as obscure is just as belittling as when TK Arnold claims in HMR that the show was successful, but that there is a "conflict" with the indie retailers, and alludes to the need to not have us there.
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<FONT color=black>As to not being exposed as a large group to a lot of the smaller companies that was a decision Ron and I made, and I think it was the right one. I didn't think that most of our members would want to sit through a presentation about self help and Yoga DVDs (yes they wanted to talk to us). I don't want to be an "expert" on this type of product. Just about everyone wanted to see the majors, so we provided them. We also provided enough time where people could go and talk to and learn about any of the smaller companies they wanted to. Maybe next time we can schedule 10-20 of in suite meetings on one of the show days and anyone who wants to attend can, that way there is more "official" interaction between these small distributors and HTF.<o:p></o:p>
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<FONT color=red>This is where I have to disagree. you must remember that you were invited to OUR event, and that all indications were that Questex, who actually puts on the event, never made the effort to integrate your portion of the show into what the indie retailers come for, and that is knowledge. Would it be afar to say that coverage of your event by HMR, which by the way, is owned by Questex, would cut coevrage of what the indie retailers there, and reading at home, would accomplish? iDEA , which is the indie wing of EMA, introduced an intenet bacbone and system that will allow indie retailers to act like a Netflix, and particiapte in downloads in the future, but did you see a speck of coverage in HMR? You are descrbing extra effort to get your equipment, your presenters, and your extra freebies, but you gave nothing back to the indie retailers, and all we want is your experience. <FONT color=black>
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<FONT color=black>While I understand that this is your biggest point of contention, how is this our fault? This is something that you should take up with EMA. I can't help that we were invited. I can't help that we got a lot of the coverage that you feel should have been forced on your group. I can’t help that EMA didn’t integrate us into the show better. Can we work together on this to have better results in the future? Yes. We have all already committed to this.<o:p></o:p>
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<FONT color=red>Did you meet Bo Andersen, or Sean Bersell, or Jim Loperfido or any of the iDEA Board Of Trustees or Frank Lucca or any of the EMA/IDEa staff?
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<FONT color=black>No. It would have been nice if they had tracked one of us down and introduced themselves. They could have even offered to spend 10-15 minutes talking to our group about iDEA.<o:p></o:p>
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<FONT color=black>Now lets move onto making next year/time a more positive experience for all of us. Those ideas can be talked about here: <FONT color=#800080>http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/showthread.php?t=260039<o:p></o:p>
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<FONT color=black>Let’s all get this thread back to talking about what HTF members who were there thought about the show.<o:p></o:p>
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<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT color=black>Adrian-</st1:place></st1:City><FONT color=black> I think it's time to move forward. Ron and I have both committed to trying to work with you to find ways we can better interact next time. Please direct any other concerns you had about our attendance at the show to either of us via email or PM. While it makes sense to create a dialog between your organization and our members for going forward it isn’t appropriate to direct your criticisms to our group, they should be directed privately to HTF staff.<o:p></o:p>
post #22 of 23

Re: My Take on EMA

Note: The July 23 regular issue of VB re-presents the July 17 "show daily" issue's story on IDEA's rental network (and the July 19 Netherby bit).

Paul
post #23 of 23
From VB, an ironic postscript to this discussion:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6666824.html?nid=4756&rid=reg_visitor_id&source=link

"EMA absorbs small retailer group:  iDEA reorganized as advisory council to larger trade org"

Edited by Paul.S - 6/30/2009 at 09:32 pm GMT
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