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Poll Results: How would you prefer THE BOWERY BOYS to arrive on DVD?

 
  • 40% (63)
    Release them now as a "Best Of" effort with features
  • 59% (91)
    Wait for better elements to arrive for a chronological release
154 Total Votes  
post #181 of 747

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RafaelPires
Ron, so will we have a new WB chat????????????
AMAZING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so glad WB folks did not give up on us, despite all those negative comments that sometimes pop up on this forum!
Yes, there are a lot of people here that admires their efforts. And I am definitely one of them!

Totally. Gosh, if we could look on the bright side of life and stop those negative comments, well things would be just so much more ... pleasant.

post #182 of 747

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I cannot wait to have these movies in my collection. It has been years since I have seen "Blues Busters", my personal favorite of their movies.
post #183 of 747

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Good news, I'm looking forward to a proper announcement (and chat).

I hope Warners will have good news regarding their silent titles too as these are probably my most wanted titles.
post #184 of 747

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Ah, what fantastic news!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Peterson
I cannot wait to have these movies in my collection. It has been years since I have seen "Blues Busters", my personal favorite of their movies.

I agree, this is a good one!
post #185 of 747

ALWAYS LOOKING AHEAD!!!!!

Well despite some initial enthusiasm this discussion thread died (rather) fast!

Unless there is something (truly) definite announced then interest naturally is only going to be sustained for just so long.

Assessing the situation which I have (long) kept track of the most important matters to be constructively approached on the part of Warner Brothers Home Entertainment would be that quality source elements were successfully secured for the previously mentioned problem films (ie. MR. HEX) and that a full scale restoration and digital remastering program was initiated in preparation for this impending (?) DVD release.

Obviously some of us here have reasonable (and high) expectations from this collection...and are willing to fairly pay for it!

Speaking for myself it is not enough simply to be told that great things can be expected from the upcoming BOWERY BOYS film series DVD collection...however on the basis of what I recently positively saw in the release of the long sought after WORLD WITHOUT END (1957) and last year's trio of Allied Artists 1950s SF B-films I at present personally maintain a sense of cautious optimism!

Yes I asked for it and I bought it as I am certain many others similarly did as well.

It is good news that Warner Brothers representatives will once again make themselves available to yet another session of our thorough questioning. Albeit I personally would like to see more inquiries in the rarer less addressed material.

Will there be more Allied Artists 1950s SF-Horror B-film releases and just what titles does it still have under its aegis? Let's take this golden opportunity to finally resolve whether the Roger Corman 1950s SF trilogy ATTACK OF THE CRAB MONSTERS (1957), NOT OF THIS EARTH (1957) and WAR OF THE SATELLITES (1958) is in their possession or not!

Does Warner Brothers have the 1940s Monogram Pictures Sidney Toler-Roland Winters CHARLIE CHAN films under its ownership?

Will we see fully restored and digitally remastered SuperCinecolour DVD releases of JACK AND THE BEANSTALK (1952) and ABBOTT AND COSTELLO MEET CAPTAIN KIDD (1952) both originally theatrically released by Warner Brothers?

How about the ANDY HARDY series made available in its entirety?

The MGM produced OUR GANG comedies including GENERAL SPANKY (1937) which despite their inferior reputation in comparision to the earlier Hal Roach series I still happen to like very much nonetheless?

And what about the extensive RKO film library?

This just gives one an idea of the range that can be constructively covered in the question-and-answers session!

Jeff T.
post #186 of 747

WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BOWERY BOYS!!!!!

I was the last one to post on this discussion thread and here I am back again...and that was in July!

We know that a Warner Brothers Home Entertainment online questions-and-answers session pertaining to the company's upcoming film DVD releases is immient but from the look of things this will likely not happen until sometime in the New Year (February?!) and we are still no more aware of just what can be expected from a (at present) possible DVD release of The Bowery Boys films which surely must constitute as one of the slowestly prolonged and lackadaisically drawn-out DVD projects ever to be realized.

Ron Epstein is "well-informed" and "not at liberty" to discuss the matter but when is Warner Brothers in its great wisdom going to let the buying public and those who have been championing just such a DVD release in on the apparent secret?

Was the major stumbling block involving the poor condition film titles (ie. MR. HEX) in the series ever satisfactorily resolved?

Sometimes a little advance word is necessary to encourage some confidence that The Bowery Boys will indeed be finally made available in a quality DVD collection at long last.

Unless Warner Brothers intends to release the first volume set late in 2009 (which considering how long we have already been waiting is still quite a way off) I don't think it would be unreasonable to make some sort of "official" and informative announcement at this time.

Jeff T.
post #187 of 747

Re: WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE BOWERY BOYS!!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffT.
I was the last one to post on this discussion thread and here I am back again...and that was in July!

We know that a Warner Brothers Home Entertainment online questions-and-answers session pertaining to the company's upcoming film DVD releases is immient but from the look of things this will likely not happen until sometime in the New Year (February?!) and we are still no more aware of just what can be expected from a (at present) possible DVD release of The Bowery Boys films which surely must constitute as one of the slowestly prolonged and lackadaisically drawn-out DVD projects ever to be realized.

Ron Epstein is "well-informed" and "not at liberty" to discuss the matter but when is Warner Brothers in its great wisdom going to let the buying public and those who have been championing just such a DVD release in on the apparent secret?

Was the major stumbling block involving the poor condition film titles (ie. MR. HEX) in the series ever satisfactorily resolved?

Sometimes a little advance word is necessary to encourage some confidence that The Bowery Boys will indeed be finally made available in a quality DVD collection at long last.

Unless Warner Brothers intends to release the first volume set late in 2009 (which considering how long we have already been waiting is still quite a way off) I don't think it would be unreasonable to make some sort of "official" and informative announcement at this time.

Jeff T.


Jeff,

I'm sure many share your frustration and certainly this has gone on longer than I'm sure anyone (including WHV) would want.

However, given the economy I can't say that I blame WHV for (both) not knowing or sharing their plans. Things need to be fluid when there is so much uncertainty.

I don't know who you are quoting when you say Ron is "well-informed". I don't remember Ron saying that in this thread so it doesn't come across as fair as it reads. Goodness knows I'm no apologist for Ron, but it seems reasonable to believe that he is as frustrated about all of this stuff as you would be in his place.
post #188 of 747

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
Actually, there is very positive news regarding The Bowery
Boys
, but I have not been cleared by the studio to talk about it.

I would say this....

The studio will be having a chat with us within the next few months.
I think at that time they will be prepared to talk more about the
upcoming release of these films.

I am just here to assure all of you that the project is still on the
front burner (as opposed to the back) and the fact that the studio
waited a little longer to release these titles is working for the benefit
of everyone.

I know it has been a long time coming with lots of promises made,
but I am hoping that the studio will be free to talk more about their
plans by the time our next chat with them rolls around.

This is what Ron said back in July. Still sounds good to me.
post #189 of 747

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With all of the other releases that have been announced between now and year's end, my budget can stand the delay.
post #190 of 747

ENOUGH TIME HAS BEEN INVESTED!!!!!

Come 2009 it will have been two years now since The Bowery Boys films were initially intended for release on DVD.

Just when is the "right" time supposed to be on these things? You can't nail it down just right...you just do it! With the Bowery Boys I am sure it will work out just fine and all this cautious concern (if any) on the part of Warner Brothers is just not warranted.

From what I hear Leo Gorcey's own son has been lobbying for just such a DVD release for quite some time now...certainly before 2007!

Look at Columbia-Tristar Home Entertainment as they are vigourously marketing the Three Stooges shorts in quick succession without any apparent difficulties or trepidation. How many times in the past has this stuff already been released?!

If the Bowery Boys are more obscure in the buying public's eyes it is (likely) because of outfits like Warner Brothers that just can't seen to get its corporate act together and move forward in a confident and decisive manner.

I think that now is the time to start "nudging" Warner Brothers and get some definite information and concrete action on its part.

Lastly when is the next online questions-and-answers session with the Warner Brothers Home Entertainment representatives pertaining to their DVD film releases scheduled anyway?

Jeff T.
post #191 of 747

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The Stooges and The Bowery Boys are not apples to apples. Sony had high quality elements from which to work with whereas Warner didn't. Additionally, the Stooges have much higher name recognition among the general consumer than the Bowery Boys. The simple fact is that the Stooges have been a constant presence on TV for the last 40+ years. The Bowery Boys for all intents and purposes disappeared sometime in the '70s with very occasional airings since then.

I would submit that Warner DOES have its act together. That's why they've literally looked worldwide for better source material from which to develop the DVDs. The final product is likely not to be pristine but it will certainly be miles better than it would have been had they not put the effort into it that they are.

Believe me, I'm quite anxious to get my hands on BB products as well as a lot of other previously mentioned product that has seemingly fallen by the wayside (Lex Barker Tarzans, Saint/Falcon, Magnificent Ambersons, Noir #5, Monogram Chans, etc.) but I also understand that there are economic & other factors at play that have dictated how WHV approaches some of these more niche releases.

Also, like many other Americans, I'm starting to get my various Q3 financial statements and I am seeing many years of hard work and saving/investing getting washed away. The ripple effect of this economic situation will undoubtedly impact the release of classics from WHV and other studios. When one starts to see their $$$ go away, it makes an issue like the availability of the BB on DVD seem a bit trivial.
post #192 of 747

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Oh, economy - shmeconomy.

Believe me when I tell you I am far from wealthy, and the wife and I pretty much exist paycheck to paycheck. But yet I can swing certain DVD releases of titles I really want. And these Bowery Boys DVDs will fall into that category of "wants".

I actually see both sides of the issue with regard to what both Jeff and Steve have said above. But I'll stand by what I've said several times in this thread and which I'll repeat here for newcomers: There is a core audience for films like The Bowery Boys, who know these characters from having grown up with them on TV. And they're not getting any younger. So it makes ZERO sense to wait longer and longer to release them while there's still a market for them. The longer Warner waits to put these out, the bigger chance of their central audience diminishing less and less. *Most* of the people who'll purchase this set are already confirmed and older fans who already remember The Bowery Boys, not younger people looking to try them out on a whim for the first time. (Please don't get offended, younger folks out there; I'm sure there are those of you who will take the plunge too - but I'm just making an observation). So release ASAP rather than later -- IMO. It's better marketing sense, and I'm not even in marketing!.

Then we always get into this silly talk about "waiting for perfect prints and transfers". Look -- with 48 movies in this series, the chances are you'll NEVER find stunning or completely workable prints/negatives/transfers for each and every one of these films. It's admirable that WB is going the distance and trying to do their best (so long as it's not just a stall tactic) but really... come on now. I have said elsewhere that I've seen great work from Warner in recent years with their DVD quailty, and they're #1 with me --- but other times I've seen so-so prints where necessary. Not every film in their TARZAN COLLECTION looks like it was made yesterday. They released a rare Three Stooges film called MEET THE BARON which looked weak, but it was all they could work from. Then there is the TV set of THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN where there's a poor copy of one of the very best Superman episodes, called "THE STOLEN COSTUME"....

...so Warner has indeed fallen back on weak elements when they had no alternative. So if 12 of the 48 Bowery Boys need to look a little less in quality (perhaps with a notation before each film that this was the best they could deal with if it makes things feel better), then so be it. It's not like they haven't taken the less desirable approach in the past when they had to. And plus - I gotta tell ya, guys -- I have seen copies of most of the Bowery Boys films which were broadcast on Channel 5 in NY, as well as A&E and even TCM -- and they're JUST FINE.

No, The Bowery Boys are not popular like The Three Stooges are. And truth be told, even for those anxious for their films as I am, most of them are not very good anyway. But there is an appeal there - a nostalgia factor - for those of us who grew up with Slip, Sach, Louie and the Gang. So let's have 'em released while we're not yet on our respirators!

post #193 of 747

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
Oh, economy - shmeconomy.

Believe me when I tell you I am far from wealthy, and the wife and I pretty much exist paycheck to paycheck. But yet I can swing certain DVD releases of titles I really want. And these Bowery Boys DVDs will fall into that category of "wants".

I actually see both sides of the issue with regard to what both Jeff and Steve have said above. But I'll stand by what I've said several times in this thread and which I'll repeat here for newcomers: There is a core audience for films like The Bowery Boys, who know these characters from having grown up with them on TV. And they're not getting any younger. So it makes ZERO sense to wait longer and longer to release them while there's still a market for them. The longer Warner waits to put these out, the bigger chance of their central audience diminishing less and less. *Most* of the people who'll purchase this set are already confirmed and older fans who already remember The Bowery Boys, not younger people looking to try them out on a whim for the first time. (Please don't get offended, younger folks out there; I'm sure there are those of you who will take the plunge too - but I'm just making an observation). So release ASAP rather than later -- IMO. It's better marketing sense, and I'm not even in marketing!.

Then we always get into this silly talk about "waiting for perfect prints and transfers". Look -- with 48 movies in this series, the chances are you'll NEVER find stunning or completely workable prints/negatives/transfers for each and every one of these films. It's admirable that WB is going the distance and trying to do their best (so long as it's not just a stall tactic) but really... come on now. I have said elsewhere that I've seen great work from Warner in recent years with their DVD quailty, and they're #1 with me --- but other times I've seen so-so prints where necessary. Not every film in their TARZAN COLLECTION looks like it was made yesterday. They released a rare Three Stooges film called MEET THE BARON which looked weak, but it was all they could work from. Then there is the TV set of THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN where there's a poor copy of one of the very best Superman episodes, called "THE STOLEN COSTUME"....

...so Warner has indeed fallen back on weak elements when they had no alternative. So if 12 of the 48 Bowery Boys need to look a little less in quality (perhaps with a notation before each film that this was the best they could deal with if it makes things feel better), then so be it. It's not like they haven't taken the less desirable approach in the past when they had to. And plus - I gotta tell ya, guys -- I have seen copies of most of the Bowery Boys films which were broadcast on Channel 5 in NY, as well as A&E and even TCM -- and they're JUST FINE.

No, The Bowery Boys are not popular like The Three Stooges are. And truth be told, even for those anxious for their films as I am, most of them are not very good anyway. But there is an appeal there - a nostalgia factor - for those of us who grew up with Slip, Sach, Louie and the Gang. So let's have 'em released while we're not yet on our respirators!


Well said Joe. Movies are historically where people turn when the economy is bad and the fans are not getting younger as Joe said so it does make no sense to wait. I personally have very few titles I want from now to the end of the year so even if they released the whole series at once I would be all over it.
The Three Stooges comparison for film prints is a good example but needs to go further. Columbia made the Three Stooges and used good film stock and took care of their films. The Bowery Boys were made by Monogram and Allied Artists both B-Movie studios and both did not use very good film stock and because ownership has changed over the years they were probably not well cared for. So I will go on record and say that the chances of pristine copies of all 48 Bowery Boys movies existing anywhere in the world is slim to none and if we have to wait for this to have a release then it will never happen because they won't find them. So once again: Warners please release all 48 films using the best elements that you have and we will buy them.
post #194 of 747

MOVE 'FORWARD' ON THIS!!!!!

I always personally liked everything that I saw in The Bowery Boys film series but perhaps I am an unabashed hardcore fan (now I am talking about the 48 bona fide Bowery Boys films produced between 1946 and 1958)!

I wouldn't entirely depreciate the Bowery Boys' existing overall popularity or potential popularity with a younger generation DVD collector pertaining to the Three Stooges. After all there is Louie Dumbrowski (Bernard Gorcey) and some truly hilariously entertaining films (ie. LET'S GO NAVY!, LOOSE IN LONDON, THE BOWERY BOYS MEET THE MONSTERS, SPY CHASERS, etc.).

I further haven't given up the expectation (or rather hope) for quality video transfers taken from the original 35mm source elements (fully restored and digitally remastered)...if they all can be obtained that is as was pointed out!

Speaking for myself I am going to buy the entire series because I like them all...even the latter Stanley Clements efforts despite all the devastating changes in the casting!

You want my opinion for the record I think that this particular DVD film series is going to do very well...much better than a lot of the "high class" stuff that Warner Brothers has made available. Things that most people might want to rent but not actually buy!

If Warner Brothers looses any money it won't be because of The Bowery Boys. This DVD series is going to capture the unanimous attention of ALL the online DVD review services bar none! Perhaps not all favourably but it will still be given extensive studied focus you can be certain of that! Right now all that is capturing any attention is Warner Brothers tardy procrastination in not getting this DVD release finally launched.

Regressing back just a little I thought it was agreed by all parties involved that Warner Brothers Home Entertainment was going to "bypass" (allegedly) certain subpar condition film titles and market just what was deemed acceptable.

So at the very least we should be seeing the first volume out if nothing else.

The longer one waits the worse things can be and the truth be known with all the input that was relayed back to Warner Brothers in this extensive discussion thread the company had ample opportunity to release the first volume well before the current economic crisis occurred.

Now we have already been told by Ron Epstein that things were proceeding very well so what are we (the loyal fans and impassioned lobbyists) expected to do now? Are the Bowery Boys films going to be released on DVD or not? Will this be done some time in 2009...which is still a wait? What is the intended timetable on this? Discounting the uncertain economy are there any other problems that we should know about?

Can we have some positive intelligence on this? Is that asking too much?

Jeff T.
post #195 of 747

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
No, The Bowery Boys are not popular like The Three Stooges are. And truth be told, even for those anxious for their films as I am, most of them are not very good anyway. But there is an appeal there - a nostalgia factor - for those of us who grew up with Slip, Sach, Louie and the Gang. So let's have 'em released while we're not yet on our respirators!


Point taken Joe ... but the stuff about no sense not to bring them out now is just not the case.

LAST Fall was disappointing for DVD releases so you can only imagine what this Fall will bring. Studios make 50 percent of their profits on a DVD release in the first 8-9 weeks of release.

If they released it and people aren't spending on non-essentials, they are sunk. It doesn't sell and they've got a ton of product coming back to them (as it's consigned inventory). Fewer chains taking the product initially is another key concern.

It doesn't sell initially and there is NO WAY of making up for it when the good times return. That's because they will have already taken price reductions thus killing their margins.

We all want to see a release sooner than later, but let's not ignore the sad realities of things.
post #196 of 747

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Quote:
Originally Posted by rich_d
LAST Fall was disappointing for DVD releases so you can only imagine what this Fall will bring. Studios make 50 percent of their profits on a DVD release in the first 8-9 weeks of release.

If they released it and people aren't spending on non-essentials, they are sunk. It doesn't sell and they've got a ton of product coming back to them (as it's consigned inventory). Fewer chains taking the product initially is another key concern.

It doesn't sell initially and there is NO WAY of making up for it when the good times return. That's because they will have already taken price reductions thus killing their margins.

We all want to see a release sooner than later, but let's not ignore the sad realities of things.

The only reality I can see is that Fall 2009 or Fall 2010 isn't going to be any better odds for this DVD series to be successful than either Fall 2007 or Fall 2008 .
post #197 of 747

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
The only reality I can see is that Fall 2009 or Fall 2010 isn't going to be any better odds for this DVD series to be successful than either Fall 2007 or Fall 2008 .

Agreed and the reason for this is that the cult following that is waiting for this have been waiting forever and even if times are tough will consider this an exception and find the money for this.
What Rich_d is referring to would apply more to impulse buys: Should I buy the new Iron Man and Hulk DVD's that I just saw at the theaters like I normally would?...no money's tight now so I'll just Netflix it for now.
post #198 of 747
Thread Starter 

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I have been keeping an eye on this thread over the past few days
and finally wrote a letter to the studio this morning alerting them that
the members were a little disgruntled that "The Bowery Boys" have
yet to appear on DVD.

I should have known, but Warner was already aware of what was posted
here. I got a call back from one of our dear friends at WHV that reads
this forum on a daily basis. That person had complete knowledge of
all conversations posted in this thread right up to the point of this post.

I had a rather long conversation with the studio regarding "The Bowery
Boys" DVD releases. I know the reason why they have not yet been
released. I also have an idea of how long it will take for these films to
finally reach market. The problem for all of you is that I cannot reveal
exactly what I know.

I will tell you this in hopes that you can figure out the situation for
yourself....

The most dangerous thing a studio can do is to come into one of
our live chats and indicate a time schedule for a particular release.
This was one of the most unfortunate things that Warner did with
"The Bowery Boys" films. Though they never promised anything in
blood, they did indicate a sense of "sooner than later" to all of you,
and henceforth, that has been pretty much what I had been relaying
in various posts scattered within this thread.

I can tell you that Warner had all intentions of getting these films
out to the marketplace by now. The unfortunate problem of announcing
that intent is that it usually ends up slapping them back in the face.
There are constant variables that affect release plans. Some recent
posts in this thread have hit some of those very variables on the nose.
There has been a huge change in the way the public is buying films
and what kind of movies they choose to purchase. You also need to
give serious consideration to the economic times we are living in.
Certainly the studios are.

Over the past year, Warner has taken on New Line Cinema with no
extra staffing. There is only so much that their people can handle at
this point and that is affecting the placement of what gets released when.

These are certainly different times than when Warner originally
announced their intent of releasing "The Bowery Boys" to DVD.
It is the studio's hope that people on this forum who are reading
these posts understand that.

The studio also hopes that people are realizing that the studio is
releasing a boatload of titles that have been previously requested
from members of this forum including today's announcement of
The Natalie Wood Collection. There is no argument that the studio
has been releasing more requested classic titles than any other
studio.

Yet, somehow, I feel there will be people in this thread who will
be angry and dissatisfied that "The Bowery Boys" was not among
those announcements.

I am here to tell you on behalf of WHV that "The Bowery Boys"
are still a priority for the studio. I have permission to reveal to all
of you that the studio has found the original 35mm nitrate camera
negative for Mister X. There have been other similar negatives
found as well.

The future looks very bright for "The Bowery Boys" but there will
be a wait for reasons that best fit the studio's needs.

I hope all of you can extend some trust to me when I say that I
understand and accept what Warner needs to do to get these titles
out. The studio absolutely is behind the "Bowery Boys" and promises
that your patience will be rewarded.
post #199 of 747

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Ron,

Thanks very much for the update; it is much appreciated. (To any WHV personnel reading: thank you as well).

Finding the Mr. Hex negative? Wow and Double wow. I had no idea that any Monogram titles still had original nitrate negatives floating around. That is great news.

I know some of my earlier comments about the effects of the economy on buying were minimized. Hardcore DVD buyers do not represent the consumer in general. People, now more than ever, have to make choices and just because they want things doesn't mean they will get them. It has been said before that it is not the die-hard fans that make or break a release; it's the general consumer that carries the sales to the next level.

Quote:
The problem for all of you is that I cannot reveal
exactly what I know.

Ah, come on; just a little hint? In Gorcey-speak code that only fans of da boys can understand? (Just kidding, I respect your promise to WHV)

Steve
post #200 of 747

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I can wait, too many titles on my shelf now for me to watch as is.
post #201 of 747

NATALIE WOOD?!!!!!!

Oh, my aching back! Talk about "uncertainties" but in the light of the "positive" news thoughtfully imparted by Ron Epstein I'll let it pass!

If it is a matter of restoration fine we will patiently wait and that is just what we wanted to know. Everything is progressing quite satisfactorily indeed.

MR. HEX (1946) is a very funny Bowery Boys outing and now we won't be disappointed on this. Likely Warner Brothers has all the original source elements so we will just have to keep insisting for their best efforts.

Not only does this mean we will (likely) be getting a quality video transfer but (for many of us) we will be seeing MR. HEX (1946) in its entirety for the very first time!

As I said before if Warner Brothers makes all new video transfers from the original 35mm source elements then this durable film series can similarly be put back into tv syndication as yet another profit-making property as well.

And it is very probable that Warner Brothers does have all the 35mm print negatives just waiting to be utilized for such a DVD collection ("For the very first time THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD digitally remastered and fully restored from the 'original' 35mm print negatives!").

I still maintain that the Bowery Boys are going to do just fine in a quality DVD release and it will capture the attention of ALL the online DVD review services...just wait and see!

Lastly I am pleased that some one at Warner Brothers has enough interest to monitor the activities that go on in this exceptional discussion forum of which I have been an honoured member for well over four years now and have seen many of my own film and tv series wants and suggestions become reality!

It doesn't hurt or cost any of these company people to simply come here to read and learn. We all benefit from this.

Jeff T.
post #202 of 747

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Is there a reason TCM doesn't show these? Everything they have any sort of marathon they always show the public domain East Side Kids.
post #203 of 747

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Actually, TCM did show all of the BB films in the summer of either 2000 or 2001. They aired as triple features starting at Noon every Sunday afternoon. Prior to the beginning of the festival, there was a one night marathon of some of the titles hosted by Robert Osbourne. They did not air some of the Stanley Clements films..."Hold That Hypnotist" and "Looking for Danger" were a couple of the titles not aired.
I recorded all of them on VHS and "Mr. Hex" was the only one that I recall looking pretty bad.
In addition, TCM had a neat little mini-doc on The Boys hosted by comedian Norm Crosby that aired between the films.
post #204 of 747

re: THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD: continuing discussion of Warner's eventual release plans

I have mixed feelings about Ron's update. First, I think it's terrific that Warner reads our posts, as it's always good to know they're taking an interest and lending an ear. So we know that our voices are being heard. That's very good.

But I stand by everything I wrote in my last extensive post. I don't see the point in waiting much longer; there is never going to be this huge demand for The Bowery Boys from "Joe Six Pack". The main sales are going to come from those who grew up on The Bowery Boys and want to recapture their nostalgia. There will be those newbies who'll "try these films out", but IMO there are not likely to be many converts all of a sudden. The Bowery Boys are not The Marx Brothers, Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, or the Three Stooges. It's my opinion that once most of the general consumers gets their first dose of The Bowery Boys, they'll have had enough. But I hope I'm wrong.

Okay, so we'll wait some more. If the movies start coming out sometime in 2009 (say even next October at the latest) I guess what's one more year? What choice do we have, really?

As for Natalie Wood - I've always thought she was gorgeous, with those big brown doe eyes. But you know what? I don't care about buying a Natalie Wood Set. I've just never understood the mentality of saying "hey, don't complain about X not being released when we're still going to get Y in the meantime". Not everyone cares, and that is no solace.
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re: THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD: continuing discussion of Warner's eventual release plans

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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
I have mixed feelings about Ron's update. First, I think it's terrific that Warner reads our posts, as it's always good to know they're taking an interest and lending an ear. So we know that our voices are being heard. That's very good.

But I stand by everything I wrote in my last extensive post. I don't see the point in waiting much longer; there is never going to be this huge demand for The Bowery Boys from "Joe Six Pack". The main sales are going to come from those who grew up on The Bowery Boys and want to recapture their nostalgia. There will be those newbies who'll "try these films out", but IMO there are not likely to be many converts all of a sudden. The Bowery Boys are not The Marx Brothers, Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, or the Three Stooges. It's my opinion that once most of the general consumers gets their first dose of The Bowery Boys, they'll have had enough. But I hope I'm wrong.

Okay, so we'll wait some more. If the movies start coming out sometime in 2009 (say even next October at the latest) I guess what's one more year? What choice do we have, really?

As for Natalie Wood - I've always thought she was gorgeous, with those big brown doe eyes. But you know what? I don't care about buying a Natalie Wood Set. I've just never understood the mentality of saying "hey, don't complain about X not being released when we're still going to get Y in the meantime". Not everyone cares, and that is no solace.
I won't try to change your opinion and you have made it abundantly clear that you want these titles out now. On that note, I hope you get your wish in the near future.




Crawdaddy
post #206 of 747

re: THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD: continuing discussion of Warner's eventual release plans

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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
I have mixed feelings about Ron's update. First, I think it's terrific that Warner reads our posts, as it's always good to know they're taking an interest and lending an ear. So we know that our voices are being heard. That's very good.

But I stand by everything I wrote in my last extensive post. I don't see the point in waiting much longer; there is never going to be this huge demand for The Bowery Boys from "Joe Six Pack". The main sales are going to come from those who grew up on The Bowery Boys and want to recapture their nostalgia. There will be those newbies who'll "try these films out", but IMO there are not likely to be many converts all of a sudden. The Bowery Boys are not The Marx Brothers, Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, or the Three Stooges. It's my opinion that once most of the general consumers gets their first dose of The Bowery Boys, they'll have had enough. But I hope I'm wrong.

Okay, so we'll wait some more. If the movies start coming out sometime in 2009 (say even next October at the latest) I guess what's one more year? What choice do we have, really?

As for Natalie Wood - I've always thought she was gorgeous, with those big brown doe eyes. But you know what? I don't care about buying a Natalie Wood Set. I've just never understood the mentality of saying "hey, don't complain about X not being released when we're still going to get Y in the meantime". Not everyone cares, and that is no solace.

I definately stand behind what you said Joe. People who know and love the Bowery Boys have been waiting and waiting for their release. I bought all 6 VHS releases in the early 90's and waited forever for more to appear. If they are released the fans that have been waiting will make these a priority and find the money for them. Whether the economy is good or not there will not be that many impulse buys for these because they are not well known outside of their hardcore fans. Those fans are getting older. So the economy is not an issue with this particular release. Time and those fans getting older is an issue.
On a positive note I am shocked and very happy that a good copy of Mr. Hex has been found. I will be happy to be wrong if they can find good prints of all 48 films and will be very grateful to Warners if they release them all. Blonde Dynamite is another that has been in bad shape and is missing some footage in the middle due to a break in all the TV copies. I hope this one can be found as well.
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re: THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD: continuing discussion of Warner's eventual release plans

I can understand that original elements are not always readily available or buried deep within vaults sometimes vaguely or mis-labeled. Others they have to seek from outside sources. There may be rights issues that has to be legally cleared with a piece of music, an actor's estate, etc... Then there is the process of restoring these negatives or prints from a poverty row studio. There was the lag in sales then the HD wars and now the economy as a whole that has made DVD sales soft. Also BluRay is possibly short term and a new non physical format could be in the near future that will affect all formats and sales again. I am sure all of the above is considered because Warner has to make a profit and these older and dated films are only going to be purchased by a small niche audience. Why spend millions on titles that will only sell a few hundred thousand copies (if that many) over a few years time?

I am also hoping that Warner / MGM will visit their Silent vaults too. I would love to get a copy of Marion Davies 1928 "The Patsy" on official release as well as others.

Eric
post #208 of 747

re: THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD: continuing discussion of Warner's eventual release plans

I'm convinced these DVDs will never see the light of day. The excitement about these releases has faded and the limited market for these movies becomes smaller and smaller the longer they wait. I can't even remember the last time WB showed a Bowery Boys movie on TCM.

It reminds me of the Golden Harvest movies WB bought. They keep getting asked about these movies during the chats and they claim they are going to release them but they continue to just sit on them and refuse to license them to other companies like Dragon Dynasty.
post #209 of 747

re: THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD: continuing discussion of Warner's eventual release plans

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Originally Posted by Eric Huffstutler
I can understand that original elements are not always readily available or buried deep within vaults sometimes vaguely or mis-labeled. Others they have to seek from outside sources. There may be rights issues that has to be legally cleared with a piece of music, an actor's estate, etc... Then there is the process of restoring these negatives or prints from a poverty row studio. There was the lag in sales then the HD wars and now the economy as a whole that has made DVD sales soft. Also BluRay is possibly short term and a new non physical format could be in the near future that will affect all formats and sales again. I am sure all of the above is considered because Warner has to make a profit and these older and dated films are only going to be purchased by a small niche audience. Why spend millions on titles that will only sell a few hundred thousand copies (if that many) over a few years time?

I am also hoping that Warner / MGM will visit their Silent vaults too. I would love to get a copy of Marion Davies 1928 "The Patsy" on official release as well as others.

Eric

You're point is well made but if you read through this thread you will see that although most of the fans would certainly appreciate Warners spending alot of money finding great prints and restoring them if it comes down to it not being economical for them to do that we are perfectly willing to buy what they have which would be better than nothing and than the bootlegs and tv prints that we have to watch now.
post #210 of 747

re: THE BOWERY BOYS on DVD: continuing discussion of Warner's eventual release plans

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Originally Posted by Randy Korstick
You're point is well made but if you read through this thread you will see that although most of the fans would certainly appreciate Warners spending alot of money finding great prints and restoring them if it comes down to it not being economical for them to do that we are perfectly willing to buy what they have which would be better than nothing and than the bootlegs and tv prints that we have to watch now.

I think there has been a shift. My stated preference (IF WHV wanted to continue to look for new elements) was to release what they could and screw chronological order.

Obviously, the majority that answered the poll wanted "Wait for better elements to arrive for a chronological release"

My guess is now more people have shifted to a 'who gives a shite, just do something' mindset. I could be wrong.
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