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post #31 of 79
7/24/07 at 6:34pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by Sam Davatchi
Harry Potter is shot digitally? Didn't know that! Since when?

No, I believe all are filmed in Super 35 which is scanned for adding special effects and editing. This "Digitial Intermediate" is the Master format and is put onto disc the same way as films shot digitally.

I believe what Robert is trying to address is that the final master isn't "Transferred" to disc, as there is no Telecine process involved. I'm not sure there's an accurate term to describe the process.
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post #32 of 79
7/24/07 at 7:41pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Little
No, I believe all are filmed in Super 35 which is scanned for adding special effects and editing. This "Digitial Intermediate" is the Master format and is put onto disc the same way as films shot digitally.

I believe what Robert is trying to address is that the final master isn't "Transferred" to disc, as there is no Telecine process involved. I'm not sure there's an accurate term to describe the process.

All of the Harry Potter films have been shot 35mm anamorphic. I don't know if the first film used a digital intermediate or not but it appears that all films after did. I don't know if the home video versions were a down rez from the digital intermediate or a transfer of the 35mm print made from that digital intermediate.

Doug
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post #33 of 79
7/24/07 at 8:14pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by Douglas Monce
All of the Harry Potter films have been shot 35mm anamorphic. I don't know if the first film used a digital intermediate or not but it appears that all films after did. I don't know if the home video versions were a down rez from the digital intermediate or a transfer of the 35mm print made from that digital intermediate.

Doug

Pretty sure that is wrong, where did you get this information? I hope you didn't use the IMDB, they aren't always right on tech specs. The prints sent to theaters for exhibition were 35mm Anamorphic prints but the film itself was composed on Super 35. Could this be where the confusion is? The first two had no digital intermediate, but everything from Azkaban until now has been.
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post #34 of 79
7/24/07 at 10:30pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Little
Pretty sure that is wrong, where did you get this information? I hope you didn't use the IMDB, they aren't always right on tech specs. The prints sent to theaters for exhibition were 35mm Anamorphic prints but the film itself was composed on Super 35. Could this be where the confusion is? The first two had no digital intermediate, but everything from Azkaban until now has been.

I went back and looked at Sorcerer's Stone again and you may be correct about it being Super 35. It lists the credit "Filmed with Panavision Cameras and Lenses". If it had been anamorphic it would have the credit "Filmed in Panavision".

Doug
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post #35 of 79
7/24/07 at 11:02pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

the potter films are all super-35!!!

they were shown on hbo hd in open matte which isn't possible if a film was shot with anamorphic lenses like die hard for example.

as for 300, i gonna buy the german hd dvd as it will be presented uncut (had doubt it would pass uncut here in germany for its received rating) and as a non-combo release. unfortunately i still have to wait a month till it comes out here *sighs*
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post #36 of 79
7/24/07 at 11:34pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

Yes it also doesn't exhibit horizontal distortion in the lens flairs and objects out of focus in the background.

Doug
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post #37 of 79
7/25/07 at 6:56am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

Regarding 300,

screen-shots taken directly from the disc appear to be softer and lacking in detail in comparison to the clarity on some of the downloaded trailers. This was reported at the Blu-ray forum and it's not a slam on the HD DVD "format" as the BD will use the same VC1 stream.

It appears that the VC-1 compression might have employed a bit of HF filtering. Naturally I'll wait to get my disc in hand before landing a judgment of my own, but folks may want to not run too wild with the "all 10" on-line reviews until they can see and compare for themselves.


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Just so that everyone is on board, and that all information is fully understood, may I suggest that the word "transfer" be used only for film that is actually transferred in some way to the digital world from post-production film elements.

There must be a differentiation for reviews and commentaries to have meaning. The two cannot be adequately judged via the same parameters.

Agreed. I consider "transfer" to indicate the process where an analog film master is scanned to digital.

For films that are digitally shot, or which are composed in the digital domain from scanned elements (like LOTR or Harry Potter) mixed with CGI and then rendered, there's no final analog "film" to scan... the final master is already in the digital domain.

When talking specifically about the process by which a movie has been prepared and processed for replication on consumer media, I try to use the term "mastering" as it applies accross the board.
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post #38 of 79
7/25/07 at 5:53pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

I got the Blu-Ray version and it won't play on my HTPC. Anyone knows if anything new is implemented with this release? BD----- or something?
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post #39 of 79
7/25/07 at 6:15pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

Sam,

the BD doesn't street until the 31st. How did you get it so early?
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post #40 of 79
7/25/07 at 8:18pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

Can anyone confirm if the BR version of 300 has 24 bit TrueHD vs the 16 bit on the HD DVD?
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post #41 of 79
7/25/07 at 8:44pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

Nevermind.
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post #42 of 79
7/25/07 at 8:53pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

Both versions are True HD encoded.

RAH
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post #43 of 79
7/25/07 at 9:33pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

Romar,

we might be able to infer that from the average bit-rate of the TrueHD stream once we get to play it on the PS3 and compare against the average bit-rate for a standard 16-bit TrueHD disc.

A 24-bit TrueHD should be about twice the bit-rate of a 16 bit.
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post #44 of 79
7/25/07 at 10:17pm

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Romar,

we might be able to infer that from the average bit-rate of the TrueHD stream once we get to play it on the PS3 and compare against the average bit-rate for a standard 16-bit TrueHD disc.

A 24-bit TrueHD should be about twice the bit-rate of a 16 bit.

David do we know if the original masters were recorded at 24bit? They aren't always. In fact more often than not sound effects libraries are on audio CDs and on set audio is almost always recorded at 16bit. 24 bit TrueHD might be waste of space.

Doug
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post #45 of 79
7/26/07 at 1:47am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by Romar Armas
Can anyone confirm if the BR version of 300 has 24 bit TrueHD vs the 16 bit on the HD DVD?

well as DaVid mentioned we have to compare bitrate with DolbyTrueHD 16bit track.. last info I found on AVS was this one... :

here is cover art on blu-ray
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10998714

and here is that 24bit rumor information hmm

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16/48 for HD DVD True HD
24/48 for Blu-ray True HD
16/48 for Blu-ray PCM.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10704934
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post #46 of 79
7/26/07 at 3:02am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Sam,

the BD doesn't street until the 31st. How did you get it so early?
Come on, isn't that like old!! .....some place!
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post #47 of 79
7/26/07 at 6:04am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Sam,

the BD doesn't street until the 31st. How did you get it so early?

I live in the UK, my US Blu-ray copy was shipped on 20th July & received on the 24th.

There's a lot of online sites that appear to receive copies & ship them a couple of weeks before the official release date. I'm not sure if this is breaking any regulations, but hell I'm not complaining!
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post #48 of 79
7/26/07 at 6:43am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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David do we know if the original masters were recorded at 24bit? They aren't always. In fact more often than not sound effects libraries are on audio CDs and on set audio is almost always recorded at 16bit. 24 bit TrueHD might be waste of space.

Doug,

obviously this only has meaning in the context of a PCM master that's 24 bit resolution to begin with. I don't know the situation with this particular master. I was only suggesting a realiable way to determine whether the Dolby TrueHD encode on a particular disc happened to be 16 or 24 bits, since that was the question that was asked.
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post #49 of 79
7/26/07 at 8:14am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

According to this post by Robert George says the 300 HD-DVD smokes the PS3 downloadable trailer .

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=879285&page=4
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post #50 of 79
7/26/07 at 8:31am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

Yeah, saw that too. Good news, I hope that's representative of how it will look to the rest of us since both the HD DVD and BD will share this VC-1 encode.
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post #51 of 79
7/26/07 at 8:37am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

David, Tuesday can't get here fast enough to grab that Blu disc for me.
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post #52 of 79
7/26/07 at 8:44am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

While at CC last night they had a Blu Ray display going showing an extended making of "300"...the images of the interviews with the directors, actors etc was crystal clear..very 3D like (32" flat panel set up)..however when they showed various scenes from the movie I was shocked at how grainy the movie looked...I never saw it in the theater, is that how the original looked?
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post #53 of 79
7/26/07 at 9:07am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by Alf S
While at CC last night they had a Blu Ray display going showing an extended making of "300"...the images of the interviews with the directors, actors etc was crystal clear..very 3D like (32" flat panel set up)..however when they showed various scenes from the movie I was shocked at how grainy the movie looked...I never saw it in the theater, is that how the original looked?

yup, there is a lot of grain in movie..

Marek
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post #54 of 79
7/26/07 at 9:25am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by MarekM
yup, there is a lot of grain in movie..

Marek

Thanks...

Personally I found it to be extremely annoying...and that was just seeing 5 minute snippets of the film...watching the whole movie with that much grain seems almost too distracting for me.
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post #55 of 79
7/26/07 at 9:26am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

The grain haters will be all over this release.
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post #56 of 79
7/26/07 at 9:59am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by aaron campbell
The grain haters will be all over this release.
Yep, these days cartoon colors are the only acceptable form of stylistic choice.
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post #57 of 79
7/26/07 at 10:34am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

Curious....Have either of you actually seen 300 footage?
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post #58 of 79
7/26/07 at 11:09am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by Alf S
Curious....Have either of you actually seen 300 footage?

Not on disc. I saw it at the theater ( DLP showing). I also have the free dvd they gave away before the movie was out. And the PS3 trailer download.
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post #59 of 79
7/26/07 at 11:12am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
Doug,

obviously this only has meaning in the context of a PCM master that's 24 bit resolution to begin with. I don't know the situation with this particular master. I was only suggesting a realiable way to determine whether the Dolby TrueHD encode on a particular disc happened to be 16 or 24 bits, since that was the question that was asked.

Oh I see what you were getting at.

Doug
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post #60 of 79
7/27/07 at 1:38am

Re: 300: HD DVD edition - Best hidef disc, period? A review.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/300.html

he is writing bitrate for PCM 6.9mbit 16bit, as far as I know 6.9mbit is 24bit

anybody with PS3 can confirm this ?

Marek
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