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Good guesses Adam. I had hoped for Cate Blanchett for Narcissa, but Watts will be great as well.

Townsend seems young for Arago...I mean Rufus (all in good fun), but who knows.

Spinner's End could be a great trailer all by itself. Just for the revelations.
post #62 of 344

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Originally Posted by Adam_S
Joseph Fiennes, Stuart Townsend and Naomi Watts have been cast.

My guess is Naomi Watts for Narcissa Malfoy (Spinner's End chapter definitely in the movie, and indicates she may have a big role in the seventh book/movie)
A pretty good casting choice, considering what's required of the role: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Naomi Watts is warmer than I would have gone for Narcissa, but considering her role is basically grieving mother, it will work. I'm glad they're keeping "Spinner's End" in because its a wonderfully daring device; it essentially tells you the ending of the book and dares you not to believe it.
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Joseph Fiennes for Tom Riddle Senior (simply fun Stunt Casting)

Stuart Townsend - ? Scrimgeour perhaps?
Fiennes is brilliant casting, either as Riddle, Sr. or as adult Voldemort (BOOK 6 SPOILER: pre-Horcruxes, when he was applying for the Dark Arts Post) — perhaps both, which would be a delicious irony considering the Dark Lord's feelings about his father.

Stuart Townsend doesn't fit, though; too young to be Scrimgeour (besides, Bill Nighy is TOO perfect for that role). If they keep the first chapter in — and frankly they shouldn't — he could play a Blair-esque Prime Minister. If it weren't for him being so dark-complexioned, he might have made a good Bill Weasley. We'll find out.
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I'd like to see Albert Finney or Anthony Hopkins (please get him!) or Bob Hoskins as Slughorn. Though Jim Broadbent, Brian Cox or Stephen Fry would also work.
I could see Hoskins or Broadbent as Slughorn. Frankly though, I'm not sure the character is needed for the movie except maybe as a cause of resentment between Ron and Hermione.
post #63 of 344

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actually Stuart Townsend as Bill Weasleymakes much more sense.

You have to have Slughorn for Felix Felicis potion. And I really think that Anthony Hopkins would be best in that role.
post #64 of 344

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Wow, that's pretty amazing. Casting Joseph Fiennes is genius. And nabbing Naomi Watts is pretty damn impressive too, although is this the first time that a member of the cast isn't from the UK?

Also gives some hints about the direction they are going in the movie. If they are putting in Bill Weasely I'm actually surprised. I like the character but he hasn't been set up at all that I recall so it may seem kind of weird for another Weasely to show up. He wasn't really instrumental in the sixth book so I'm wondering if Rowling has indicated that he's important for the seventh.

I had thought they might actually put Lucius in Narcissa's place in Spinner's End. Kind of out of character but IIRC the OotP film never indicates Malfoy's arrest and they haven't introduced Narcissa yet either. I like this better though.
post #65 of 344

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Originally Posted by Adam_S
You have to have Slughorn for Felix Felicis potion. And I really think that Anthony Hopkins would be best in that role.

I don't think you need Felix Felicis in the movie.

HBP Spoiler:

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You can have Harry get Slughorn's memory a different way. They'll probably change it anyway- removing Aragog's death would seem an obvious cut.

I love Harry faking using the potion on Ron since it demonstrates some leadership skills but that's another likely cut too.
post #66 of 344

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How solid are these casting announcements? I read them over at another forum with a link to some site I've never heard of. They don't seem to have been picked up by the mainstream media yet.

Anyway, they seem like interesting choices. Naomi Watts seems a bit young for Narcissa Malfoy. Watts is also a bit too old and too pretty for Merope.

Joseph Fiennes (I'm really amused by his possible casting ) seems to suggest a Tom Riddle connection. Either Tom Riddle, Sr. or young Voldemort? But then again, he's only a few years younger than his brother and he's also a bit old for Riddle, Sr. unless they're making Tom Sr. and Merope older (which would fit for Watts).

Not sure how I feel about Stuart Townsend. I can't really think of him in any of the possible roles. He seems too young for either Rufus Scrimgeour or Fenrir Greyback. Though of the two, I'd imagine he's a better fit for Greyback.

As for other dream casting....I agree that Bill Nighy MUST be in this movie. I can picture him as either Scrimgeour or Greyback (though I'd rather him play Scrimgeour).

I always envisioned someone like Kristin Scott Thomas for the role of Narcissa Malfoy.

For some reason, I always thought Jim Broadbent would make a good Ludo Bagman, but I guess he could work out as Slughorn. My personal pick for the role is Simon Callow though. Can't say he matches the psychical description, but he could easily pull Slughorn off (or at least the way I imagined him).

I kinda like the idea of Ian McShane for Fenrir Greyback.

So if anyone at Warners is reading this....
post #67 of 344

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I'm not too jazzed about Watts doing Narcissa Malfoy. She seems too young and not mature looking enough for the role.

I think Blanchett would be a much better choice. I could also see Kim Bassinger or Gwenneth Paltrow pulling it off.
post #68 of 344

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Originally Posted by Adam_S
You have to have Slughorn for Felix Felicis potion. And I really think that Anthony Hopkins would be best in that role.
Do you have to have Felix Felicis, though? All it does is smooth out the creases in the storyline a little bit. Since screenplays do that anyway, we could just attribute what Harry does with it to Harry's skill. Not saying I wouldn't miss him — just saying that the other story threads are more important. If I were to keep it in for one reason, it's because he's a necessary mechanism to get the Half-Blood Prince's textbook.
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Originally Posted by Kevin Grey
Also gives some hints about the direction they are going in the movie. If they are putting in Bill Weasely I'm actually surprised. I like the character but he hasn't been set up at all that I recall so it may seem kind of weird for another Weasely to show up. He wasn't really instrumental in the sixth book so I'm wondering if Rowling has indicated that he's important for the seventh.
Book 6 spoiler: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Bill Weasley is hardly essential, but one thing he would preserve is the structure of the work. Even with the dark events at the end, HBP is essentially a comedy of manners. All comedies must end with a wedding, the symbolic stand-in for a wedding, or the promise of a wedding.
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I had thought they might actually put Lucius in Narcissa's place in Spinner's End. Kind of out of character but IIRC the OotP film never indicates Malfoy's arrest and they haven't introduced Narcissa yet either. I like this better though.
It's a character issue. We've never seen Lucius show the slightest affection for his son in the films. He can't generate the sympathy that Narcissa, for all the bad things we've heard about her, instantly does in the book.
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Originally Posted by Ray H
Not sure how I feel about Stuart Townsend. I can't really think of him in any of the possible roles. He seems too young for either Rufus Scrimgeour or Fenrir Greyback. Though of the two, I'd imagine he's a better fit for Greyback.
One other thought: What if Townsend is Riddle, Sr. or Young(er) Voldemort?
post #69 of 344

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Re: possible inclusion of Bill:

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I'm guessing if he is in it's because of the wedding. I've got a feeling that it will play a big part in Book 7 so *somebody* has to get married. Maybe they could shoehorn it with Remus and Tonks though.


Townsend as Greyback sounds more likely than him playing Bill Weasely though except:

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How do werewolves age? Townsend's a lot younger than Thewliss so they can't really have the angle that Greyback created Lupin.
post #70 of 344

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Felix spoiler Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
also it's a throwaway explanation why none of Harry's coterie dies while fighting the Death eaters.


I have an image in my mind of Harry going on this single steadycam shot utterly badass chase down the castle, tripping up and taking out (and bypassing deatheaters as he races after his quarry. If they amp that up in the film I'll be very excited.


HBP spoilers
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Here's how I think it'll go down.
Open on Spinner's End. You get that delicious scene, fivish minutes

Transition away through the daily prophets dealing with the aftermath of the ministry, ending the transistion set on the last line of Dumbledore's letter saying he'll collect Harry. Exit the prophets on Dumbledore knocking on the door.

Brief two-three minute scene where Dumbledore smacks down the Dursleys and explains why Harry has to return (possible to cut this and go straight to)

Dumbledore and Harry collecting Horace Slughorn (another scene possible to cut, but it's structurally nice to open the film with them traveling together, Dumbledore also instructs Harry to always have his cloak and tells him he'll be getting extra lessons.

Dumbledore and Harry arrive to the Burrow, Cut to the greeting scene the next morning, great oppurtunity to plant Ginny here (sitting right on Harry's bed as in the book), introduce Phlem again and the wedding and have a nice oppurtunity to foreshadow the two couples together while discussing the wedding.

Cut to Diagon Alley, Harry exits a shop and sees Draco dashing off down Knockturn, he follows and overhears Draco.

Cut to Hogwarts Express, Harry trying to convince Hermione and Ron to little effect. He's called away to the Slug Club but doesn't stay because he slips out to follow Malfoy. We hear one or two incriminating lines that suggest Malfoy really is a deatheater but they are vague and boastful. Harry gets caught by Malfoy, then rescued by Ginny, Tonks or Snape, good oppurtunity to use a Snape scene here, but it's a nice story beat to hand to Ginny being clever enough to back up Harry. That way you could introduce Harry's gratefulness transforming into jealousy in the next scene (Feast?) when Ginny greets Dean or pulls away from Harry's group to be with him.

I'd cut into the first Potions or DADA class here and use the students surprise for the professor switch. DADA would emphasize nonverbal spells, but better would be the Potions class which gives Harry the intro to the Half Blood Prince and get ahold of Felix cut from this to Quidditch tryouts where they discuss the HBP and have Ginny's reaction. Ron and Ginny both make the team (I don't really envision this as much of a scene) And we see Harry liking her even more following all this. That's probably all the quidditch we'll need to actually see in the movie, the rest can be referred to in passing.

Harry goes in for his lessons with Dumbledore, I dont' know whether or not it'd be better to do it all in one go, or in two batches. either way would necessarily include a second or third scene once the horcrux memory is acquired.

Melodrama of relationships kicks in at this point, (gotta have Hermione attack Ron/Lavender with the birds) toss in a few class scene transitions, Draco Snape suspicions to build up to the coming battle with Draco, a scene of Hagrid caring for the dying Aragog in his hut all eventually leading into the breakup of Ron/Lav and Dean/Ginny leading into the successful wheedling out of the memory and our viewing of it. Dumbledore promises to take Harry and says he is very close to finding a horcrux.

Sectum Sempra chapter, just gold but it can be streamlined, so long as they include Harry and Draco's battle and subsequent healing by Snape and Harry's 'greeting' of the Quidditch victorious Ginny. :p

Shatter this by the trip to the cave.

Return. Big battle. stupid Spiderman1 rip off aftermath to the relationships.
post #71 of 344

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Adam,
Harry never used Felix in the book for that sequence. His friends did, but he did not.
post #72 of 344

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Adam, that's *exactly* how I envisioned that sequence as well. To the point where even though Cuaron isn't doing the movie, I can almost imagine using the same no-cut style he used in Children of Men.
post #73 of 344

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Naomi Watts is 38.

I was pulling for Olivia Williams and didnt even think of Watts.
post #74 of 344

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
One other thought: What if Townsend is Riddle, Sr. or Young(er) Voldemort?
Inconceivable! They've got Joseph Fiennes. He's the brother of Ralph Fiennes, who plays Voldemort. I refuse to believe they'd put him in a non Voldemort-related role. It'd just be ridiculous! Think about it. On opening night, the audience will be watching the movie. Suddenly Joseph Fiennes comes on the screen and he's NOT playing a character related to Ralph Fiennes'. Mark my words, THERE WILL BE RIOTS!

post #75 of 344

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Anyone have any sort of confirmation on these? Seems like every movie brings lots of different casting rumors before things are finalized (remember Rowan Atkinson as Voldemort?). I didn't see anything on Variety's homepage this morning but I'm loathe to check other places for fear that they will be plastered with Book 7 spoilers.
post #76 of 344

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Richard Griffiths would have been perfect for Slughorn if he wasn't already cast as Vernon Dursley.

It could make for a comedic moment, though, if he were to play a dual role. Imagine Harry's double-take when they're first introduced.
post #77 of 344

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Originally Posted by Ray H
Inconceivable! They've got Joseph Fiennes. He's the brother of Ralph Fiennes, who plays Voldemort. I refuse to believe they'd put him in a non Voldemort-related role. It'd just be ridiculous! Think about it. On opening night, the audience will be watching the movie. Suddenly Joseph Fiennes comes on the screen and he's NOT playing a character related to Ralph Fiennes'. Mark my words, THERE WILL BE RIOTS!

Who said anything about that? I'm saying that Townsend is one (Riddle, Sr. or Applicant Voldemort) and Fiennes is the other.
post #78 of 344

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
Who said anything about that? I'm saying that Townsend is one (Riddle, Sr. or Applicant Voldemort) and Fiennes is the other.
Well, given Townsend's good looks, I'd put him up for Tom Riddle Sr. And since Finnes is Ralph's younger brother, he's probably the younger Voldemort/Riddle Jr.
post #79 of 344

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"And since Finnes is Ralph's younger brother, he's probably the younger Voldemort/Riddle Jr."

Thats what I thought at first, but Joseph is in his late 30s. But hes a bit too old for some of the flashbacks.
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My guess is Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
that they'll be multiple Voldemorts cast: 10-year-old Voldemort for when Dumbledore visits the orphanage, 16-20-year-old Voldemort (ie. the era captured in the COS finale scene by Christian Coulson), and finally mid-late twentysomething Voldemort (who applies for the teaching post).
Fiennes could play the last one.
post #81 of 344

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I imagine they'll only have two Voldemorts. ten-eleven year old Voldemort, and they'll probably cast someone who looks like Dan Radcliffe did (but without glasses) if they're smart. and the teenage voldemort. I think they don't really need the memory of Voldemort applying for the teaching post, but I don't see the need to get a third actor for that. I imagine they very well may increase the role of Tom Riddle senior, perhaps playing down Morfin's role, changing him to an inactive observer between the two Toms, we'll want to SEE the showdown between Tom and his father rather than hearing about it in passing. That'd be a good scene for Joseph Fiennes.

Necessary memories:
Meet the Gaunts and Riddle Sr.
10 yr old Tom
Tom finds the Guants and Riddles (and Ring and locket)
Tom finds out about Horcruxes.

Less important:
Memory about the hufflepuff cup
memory about tom wanting to teach at Hogwarts (may be another important H/V parallel though)
post #82 of 344

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Adam

About this spoiler...
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"memory about tom wanting to teach at Hogwarts "

That would be a cool backflash, because the book mentions a noticable degradation in Riddles appearance. Not quite the snakelike appearance of later, but its beginning to show.
It shows the affect of the horcruxes and dark magic hes been using along with Dumbledores reaction to seeing him like that after not seeing him for years

Necessary, prob not but it would be a nice one to see
post #83 of 344

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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
Who said anything about that? I'm saying that Townsend is one (Riddle, Sr. or Applicant Voldemort) and Fiennes is the other.
I'm probably just WAY too excited about the Fiennes brothers possibly being in HP6.
post #84 of 344

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Book seven spoiler Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Well it's clearthey'll have to have the scene of Voldy wanting a job at hogwarts won't they.
I don't really care what they do with HBP at this point so long as we get a HPatDH that is as long as Return of the King. Talk about an epic freaking adaptation.
post #85 of 344

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Half-Blood Prince is the film I'm looking forward to the most next year but I gotta say, after reading Deathly Hallows today, that doesn't need to wait until 2010. Rowling ending this story on an epic note.

And good luck to WB trying to get that story to work under three hours. It's not happening....
post #86 of 344

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Adam

I really dont feel we should put anything related to Deathly Hallows in here at the moment. If there is one thing I dont want to read it is a spoiler about that since I have only just started it, and whilst I realise there are spoilers, it only takes a mistake in typing like yours to spoil it for others.
post #87 of 344

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it's a very mild spoiler at best, nothing explicit, but yeah typos on spoiler boxes suck very much, I apologize to anyone who was spoiled.
post #88 of 344

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Hmm, after reading Book 7 I'm thinking they should make a change in HBP to:

Book 7 Spoiler- relatively minor (occurs in the first 1/3 of the book and no mention of character fates) Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Make the locket Harry pulls out of the bowl the real horcrux. Do that and you can cut out about 200 pages of Book 7. I like the Ministry infiltration in Book 7 a lot, but it's an easy cut to make with that simple change in HBP.
post #89 of 344

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Yes, please no book seven discussion in here (spoiler tagged or not).

Too much potential for mistakes to spoil it for those who haven't read it yet.

I don't use the email subscription thing for these threads, but many do. And aren't the spoiler tags removed in those?

Let's just leave it out entirely for a couple of weeks at least please.
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Kevin, Im not sure they can do that.
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