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post #241 of 284
10/7/08 at 3:01pm

Re: Sleeping Beauty BD - 2008

I will be picking up my copy this Friday! I can not wait to see how it looks and I am hoping to be impressed.
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post #242 of 284
10/8/08 at 7:25am

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Can't believe more people haven't chipped in with their impressions yet. Anyway, here are mine...

This disc looks absolutely amazing. So detailed, so clear. I found myself looking at the backgrounds a lot because they were so beautifully rendered.

What this disc doesn't seem to look like is film. Its been polished and buffed to an inch of its life, and is a super-clean and colorful image. But there's nothing that says its film to me - it looks almost like digital animation.

I know this film was shot on 70mm which might account for the absence of grain. One of the endless previews before you can get to the menu (you have to click through them or fast forward rather than being able to hit the menu key - BOO) showed images from upcoming Disney films, like Pinocchio, which did have a look of grain.

So - what's on this Blu-ray disc looks phenominal. But how much does it look like what theatergoers saw back in the fifties?
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post #243 of 284
10/8/08 at 11:31am

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Originally Posted by Bleddyn Williams
But how much does it look like what theatergoers saw back in the fifties?
Well, theatergoers would have never seen it 2.55:1 in 1959, either, as it took so long to make that by the time it came out CinemaScope had standardized to 2.35:1.

As for not looking like film - Disney has been doing this for years now. Simply put, they consider the film images one stepped removed from the original image of animation, and therefor for home video they do not present the movie as film. It's the same principal for 3D movies - they don't scan the film element for home video, but do a direct digital transfer. It's been a much debated topic on the HTF for a few years now.
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post #244 of 284
10/8/08 at 12:37pm

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
As for not looking like film - Disney has been doing this for years now. Simply put, they consider the film images one stepped removed from the original image of animation, and therefor for home video they do not present the movie as film. It's the same principal for 3D movies - they don't scan the film element for home video, but do a direct digital transfer. It's been a much debated topic on the HTF for a few years now.

Interesting. I don't really know about this but it sounds worth reading up on. Thanks, Brandon.
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post #245 of 284
10/8/08 at 3:14pm

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Originally Posted by Bleddyn Williams
I know this film was shot on 70mm which might account for the absence of grain. One of the endless previews before you can get to the menu (you have to click through them or fast forward rather than being able to hit the menu key - BOO) showed images from upcoming Disney films, like Pinocchio, which did have a look of grain.

Upon inserting the disc in my PS3, I was asked to download a BD Live update, which I did. The disc then went straight to the menu screen. I didn't have to skip any trailers.

With regards to the image: STUNNING. There's still a bit of grain if you look for it, but for the most part it's pristine. The level of detail is unbelievable. It really is like looking directly at the original cels. Absolutely breathtaking.

The preview for the upcoming Pinocchio release was amazing too (sharp as a tack, with grain). It REALLY makes me impatient for Fantasia in 2010...!
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post #246 of 284
10/8/08 at 4:05pm

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Originally Posted by Bleddyn Williams
Can't believe more people haven't chipped in with their impressions yet. Anyway, here are mine...
I can't believe NO professional reviews! :-0
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Originally Posted by Bleddyn Williams
This disc looks absolutely amazing. So detailed, so clear. I found myself looking at the backgrounds a lot because they were so beautifully rendered.
Same here. Art!
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Originally Posted by Bleddyn Williams
What this disc doesn't seem to look like is film. Its been polished and buffed to an inch of its life, and is a super-clean and colorful image. But there's nothing that says its film to me - it looks almost like digital animation.
Can the original film elements really be that clean? Were they ever that clean?
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Originally Posted by Bleddyn Williams
I know this film was shot on 70mm which might account for the absence of grain. One of the endless previews before you can get to the menu (you have to click through them or fast forward rather than being able to hit the menu key - BOO) showed images from upcoming Disney films, like Pinocchio, which did have a look of grain.
Funny I thought "P" looked scrubed of all depth/detail.
Thought "SB" looked more like film.
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Originally Posted by Bleddyn Williams
So - what's on this Blu-ray disc looks phenominal. But how much does it look like what theatergoers saw back in the fifties?
Who (as the owl would say) knows?!?!
Butt I'll bet the popcorn was better (REAL butter)!

Problems(?) I had with it:
1st pass: the faeries wings were unstable shade-wise (think this is just the "hand" painting technic).
2nd pass: on the SD & HD the backround sky on the first shot (after the last page of the book) goes bonkers (sorry too use such a technical term). Might be the hand painting as well. It kind of flickers tho, scratch removal?
3rd pass: "SB" dress, the backs dark color, is very unstable on her way up the tower; painting or artifacts?

In the forest sunlight the water is slate (gray), however in the shady forest shots its aqua (blue). I'm happy w/the color (although it does have that overall darker boosted contrast look of "ST: TOS remastered"), the rocks on the bank of the river aren't as red looking as the DVDB screen caps too me.
The DTS is a little too boosted to me for a fifties film. The original restored soundtrack does sound thin, just glad its there.
Packaging is better than the pics & pricing is GREAT!
Overall a Blu Plate Special.
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post #247 of 284
10/8/08 at 4:45pm

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Originally Posted by Paul Hillenbrand
What would cause "lack of focus/detail" on "a few shots" "during the procession at the beginning of the film" when the transfer was apparently done "straight from the Original Negative"?


Example of lack of focus in "during the procession":
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Example of in-focus / detail:
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That's "out of focus"?!?!?!
JJ
Although we probably would be happy w/that on SD DVD! :-)
I see where the middle, guys in pink, is a little soft/out of focus & where the people against the wall are blurry.
If the rest of the flick wasn't so amazing...

On the commentary track, Leonard Maltin say's that it was the intent for "everything" to be infocus "always".

[from the SD DVD]
The below link kind of proves my 'distrust' of the Platinum Ed. color:
(its a screen cap so take w/a ton of sea salt/found half way down)
Sleeping Beauty: Platinum Edition DVD Review - Page 1 of 2
Although I like the 'skin tone' (ha, ha) on the PE & the reflected dress does look clear the color of the dress as well as the blue faery dust (and the wood) on the SE that looks right too me.
Fight amongst yourselves! ;-)

Too help everyone...
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Xylon has some KILLER caps on the forum that shall remain nameless:
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post #248 of 284
10/9/08 at 12:33am

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Just watched the PIP audio commentary, which was enjoyable. John Lassetter and Leonard Maltin discuss the 2.55:1 intended aspect ratio within the first ten minutes. You can't get more authoritative than that, IMO.

But the real treat on this disc as far as extras go is, IMO, Grand Canyon. Seriously, it's up there with Planet Earth as some of the best looking nature footage I've ever seen on home video - and it's 50 years old! It has an awesome musical score, too, in lossless DTS-HD MA 5.1. Don't bypass this one!
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post #249 of 284
10/9/08 at 12:50am

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On the issue of film grain:

Some time ago I was lucky to see some 70mm material from Sleeping Beauty and while there was grain it would probably not show up very clearly in a HT setting, let alone at the usual 1.5+ screen widths distance to the screen that people keep. I always make it a point to sit closer than 1 screen width away when watching 70mm and even then the grain was VERY fine and seemed to be less pronounced than with 70mm live action movies.
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post #250 of 284
10/9/08 at 1:17am

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Originally Posted by Bleddyn Williams
I know this film was shot on 70mm which might account for the absence of grain.

The taking format was 8-perf horizontal 35mm, only some of the prints were 70mm. Still this is more than twice the negative area of 35mm Cinemascope and more than 3 times as much as most later Disney productions that IIRC had theatrical aspect ratios somewhere in between 1.66 and 1.85. This accounts for very little grain in the 70mm release prints.
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post #251 of 284
10/9/08 at 7:38am
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The lack of reviews is odd.

Here is a very good one > Blu-ray.com - Sleeping Beauty: Platinum Edition (Blu-ray) - Blu-ray Review
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post #252 of 284
10/9/08 at 8:15am

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Originally Posted by BrettB
The lack of reviews is odd.

Here is a very good one > Blu-ray.com - Sleeping Beauty: Platinum Edition (Blu-ray) - Blu-ray Review

When contacted on Tuesday, Disney admitted that review copies had not gone out yet for the Blu-ray release (the DVDs had gone out on time.) As of this morning, the screener has still not arrived.
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post #253 of 284
10/9/08 at 10:59am

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The picture of my BD is so sharp, that it makes several out-of-focus bits seems blurry. I'm just guessing that the original movie wasn't so sharp, nor did anyone notice the blurry bits.
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post #254 of 284
10/10/08 at 7:36am

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I was a little disapointed to get home from work yesterday all excited to watch Sleeping Beauty BD with the Cineexplore only to find out it's a BonusView feature which my player does not support.

I had wished it was the cine-explore Cars and Ratatouille used, as I'm an animaton nut, Sleeping Beauty is gold to me.

Besides a Profile 1.1 Player, do you need a PiP TV? I thought I read you do, but then another place said you just need the player. I have an XBR4. I don't know if it has PiP, at least not traditionally.
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post #255 of 284
10/10/08 at 7:45am

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Originally Posted by Adam Sanchez
Besides a Profile 1.1 Player, do you need a PiP TV? I thought I read you do, but then another place said you just need the player.
No need for a PiP TV. The PiP function for Blu-rays are done entirely in the player.
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post #256 of 284
10/10/08 at 3:11pm

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Here's a good link that was posted in the SD section

Animated Views » Once Upon A Dream: Sara Duran-Singer on Sleeping Beauty’s Restoration

It discusses the grain, sound, aspect ratio and everything else...
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post #257 of 284
10/10/08 at 3:14pm

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Gosh the BD-Live set up was a drag!
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post #258 of 284
10/10/08 at 4:03pm

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Originally Posted by SDRANGER619
Gosh the BD-Live set up was a drag!

Time consuming, invasive (no way in heck I am giving them the last 4 digits of my SS# to verify my age), and hard to navigate with the remote control. Yep. Took close to an hour for me to get through it, including the download of the BD Live update required for it to run.

If that is the "fun" that BD-Live has to offer, no thanks!

- Steve
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post #259 of 284
10/11/08 at 7:46am

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Originally Posted by Steve Tannehill
Time consuming, invasive (no way in heck I am giving them the last 4 digits of my SS# to verify my age), and hard to navigate with the remote control. Yep. Took close to an hour for me to get through it, including the download of the BD Live update required for it to run.

If that is the "fun" that BD-Live has to offer, no thanks!

- Steve
Are you talking about the initial setup for your player or just for the setup for Sleeping Beauty?
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post #260 of 284
10/11/08 at 9:33pm

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Originally Posted by Adam Sanchez
I was a little disapointed to get home from work yesterday all excited to watch Sleeping Beauty BD with the Cineexplore only to find out it's a BonusView feature which my player does not support.

Adam, from what I gather (I have a profile 1.0 player as well so I don't know 100% for certain) but all you get with this "CineExplore" is a picture in picture video of Lasseter, Maltin, and Deja doing the commentary... so you can listen to the commentary without using Cineexplore and get all the same information.

Actually, even with the Cars/Ratatouille CineExplore features, there's nothing in there you can't get any other way (it just gives you the option to see the bonus features in context rather than out of context).
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post #261 of 284
10/11/08 at 10:00pm

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Originally Posted by RomanSohor
Adam, from what I gather (I have a profile 1.0 player as well so I don't know 100% for certain) but all you get with this "CineExplore" is a picture in picture video of Lasseter, Maltin, and Deja doing the commentary... so you can listen to the commentary without using Cineexplore and get all the same information.
the picture in picture is more than just boxes popping up with shots of the 3 men doing the commentary.... there are photo stills, live action captures, archival footage, crew interviews and much more that come up in those boxes.
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post #262 of 284
10/11/08 at 10:50pm

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Originally Posted by WadeM
Here's a good link that was posted in the SD section

Animated Views » Once Upon A Dream: Sara Duran-Singer on Sleeping Beauty’s Restoration

It discusses the grain, sound, aspect ratio and everything else...

This was interesting. It gives me more faith that someone at Disney knows what they're doing with these restorations (the technical people, at any rate).

Here's hoping Pinocchio gets done the justice it's been aching for since its first video release (which is one of the first videos I owned and one of the first films I can remember watching) next March.
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post #263 of 284
10/12/08 at 9:19am

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Picked up Sleeping Beauty this past friday and hope to watch the entire movie all the way through in the next few days. I did pop it into my player to make sure it worked and to see how it looked. From what I have seen so far as I only watched the first 15 minutes. I am happy with the transfer so far and extreamly surpirsed to see that they used a DTS-HD MA track. I have not seen this movie in a very long time and all I can say is wow the animation looks dated. I know its an old movie and thats the way it is supposed to look. But even though its an old movie I feel that Disney did a great job and am looking foward to buying Pinocchio next year. Keep up the good work Disney, as long as the transfers are done correctly I will be more than happy to buy classic Disney films to my collection for the first time.
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post #264 of 284
10/12/08 at 10:17am

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I have not seen this movie in a very long time and all I can say is wow the animation looks dated.

???

Can you given an example of any animated feature, from any point in time, that does *not* look "dated" by its artistic design?
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post #265 of 284
10/12/08 at 11:05am

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It becomes apparent that he is being somewhat facetious when you read that line within the context of his entire post.
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post #266 of 284
10/12/08 at 11:32am

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
It becomes apparent that he is being somewhat facetious when you read that line within the context of his entire post.
Hope your right.

Thought I was really getting too old by not being able to recognize "dated" when I was looking at it.

The medieval art style of drawing matches the time and settings where and when the story takes place.

Maybe "dated "refers to the lack of computer generated art-generation like in Beauty and the Beast?

Paul
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post #267 of 284
10/12/08 at 1:28pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell
Are you talking about the initial setup for your player or just for the setup for Sleeping Beauty?

Just for the setup of Sleeping Beauty. At one point, I took their suggestion and went to DisneyBluRay.com to set up the player there, but could find nothing relating to the SB disc. This setup is not a friendly process.

- Steve
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post #268 of 284
10/13/08 at 5:40am

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Originally Posted by Paul Hillenbrand
The midieval art style of drawing matches the time and settings where and when the story takes place.

Paul

And that certainly was the intention.

Anyway... I couldn't resist and went ahead and bought this.

Right off the bat, I have to say that the Cine-Explore feature really sets a new standard for commentaries. To have pictures and videos pop up so that you can see what the commentators are referencing is awesome, along with videos of interviews with those involved in the making of the picture, is really a treat. I may never go back to old-style commentaries again.

Also, I love the timeline of the movie that pops up whenever you hit pause, or scan. That was an unexpected feature that I look forward to in other Blu-ray releases.

As far as the feature, the aspect ratio looks perfect. No one will be able to convince me otherwise. I am convinced that Sara Duran-Singer is correct when she states that this is the ratio it was originally designed for, and that theater-goers just didn't have a chance to see it this way due to changes in the industry. I look at this like being a "director's cut" so to speak, in regards to aspect ratio.

I haven't an opinion on grain in animated movies. I'll take Duran-Singer's word on it. I prefer original grain intact in live-action movies, but if it just looked like noise in this animated feature, as Duran-Singer said, I will also admit that the lack of grain in this animated movie still looked great. As others have stated, it's like looking at the original animation to a degree, and is very pretty. Is it correct for an animated movie? I'll leave that to others.

Others have stated that there are incorrect color changes that occur. Upon first viewing, the only noticable color change for me was quite distracting, where the godmothers are crossing a bridge towards the end, and the colors of their dresses change in what seems to me to be an obvious error. Maybe I'm wrong, but it certainly didn't look right.

Overall though, this is still the best this movie has ever looked, and will do for now.
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post #269 of 284
10/13/08 at 10:47am

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Why didn't Disney include a lossless audio track for the original sound mix? Would it have sounded better?
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post #270 of 284
10/13/08 at 10:19pm

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I bought the BD. I think the picture and sound are smashing.

The movie itself, eh, not so much. What a colossal bore! Not a patch on either Snow White or Cinderella.

I saw this movie as a kid, and I thought it was boring even then.
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