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HTF BLU-RAY REVIEW: Rio Bravo - Recommended
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One of my favorite films that I'm so happy to have on BRD. Though, I had little problem with the video presentation, some will disagree because of the lack of grain and the film coloring being too brownish. I was too young to remember how this film looked in a theater, but I had no issue with either of those criticisms. My only complaint as far as this release is some gross errors in the film commentary by Richard Schickel.Crawdaddy
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
One of my favorite films that I'm so happy to have on BRD. Though, I had little problem with the video presentation, some will disagree because of the lack of grain and the film coloring being too brownish. I was too young to remember how this film looked in a theater, but I had no issue with either of those criticisms. My only complaint as far as this release is some gross errors in the film commentary by Richard Schickel.
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Robert,
This has been one of my favorite films since I first saw it on HBO in the late 70s. However I must admit that I don't know much about the behind the scenes stuff. Specifically what errors does Schickel make in the commentary?
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I am not sure if the slightly brown tint to the film is accurate, and to be honest, I do not really care. The film is an excellent release. It looks and feels fresh while still maintaining the feel of a Western made in that time period. How can one ask for more?- Douglas Monce
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Originally Posted by Kevin EK
John Wayne’s arrest of Claude Akins has one such dropout that makes his first line hard to understand. This is not a fault of the audio quality of the disc – simply a problem of the track itself. Other than that, there isn’t much to speak of in this area.
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I believe this "drop out" is the result of removing a word (possibly a mistake by Wayne) from the line of dialog in the original editing of the movie. It's been in every version of this movie I've ever seen. The point being its not so much a drop out as an intended edit by the filmmakers.
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Re: HTF BLU-RAY REVIEW: Rio Bravo - Recommended
Except for high levels of grain in a couple of scenes, I found the picture quality stunning, very dimensional. Yes, I guess the flesh tones are too brownish for some but not for me.Thanks for the review.
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I honestly didn't find the flesh tones to be too brownish. I agree that Dean Martin's coloring is a little darker for much of the movie, but I figured that was an intended part of his character's drunken situation.I too am curious about errors made by Richard Schickel in the commentary. I got the impression that he has a pretty good handle on Hawks and his films, particularly given that he put together the Hawks' retrospective on the same disc. But anybody can make a mistake...
As for the drop-out in Wayne's dialogue, I agree that this may have been done to deal with an on-set issue (such as a flubbed line or something else like that). But it's so obvious that it's hard to think that there wasn't another solution - it's really jarring. This is only a single moment, of course - and one moment doesn't spoil the whole track.
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As for the drop-out in Wayne's dialogue, I agree that this may have been done to deal with an on-set issue (such as a flubbed line or something else like that). But it's so obvious that it's hard to think that there wasn't another solution - it's really jarring. This is only a single moment, of course - and one moment doesn't spoil the whole track. |
This kind of edit was not all that uncommon at the time this film was made. At the time it was thought that most people would only see a film once and things like that kind of edit would not be noticed. Also people have been conditioned to see and hear much faster now than in 1958. You could get away with a lot more then.
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Originally Posted by Kevin EK
I honestly didn't find the flesh tones to be too brownish. I agree that Dean Martin's coloring is a little darker for much of the movie, but I figured that was an intended part of his character's drunken situation.
I too am curious about errors made by Richard Schickel in the commentary. I got the impression that he has a pretty good handle on Hawks and his films, particularly given that he put together the Hawks' retrospective on the same disc. But anybody can make a mistake... As for the drop-out in Wayne's dialogue, I agree that this may have been done to deal with an on-set issue (such as a flubbed line or something else like that). But it's so obvious that it's hard to think that there wasn't another solution - it's really jarring. This is only a single moment, of course - and one moment doesn't spoil the whole track. |
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| By the way, this great film has been remade with a October release starring Russell Crowe in Ford's part and Christian Bale in Heflin's part. |
At least the choice of those two actors is very promising.
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Originally Posted by Cees Alons
That will be very interesting - even if 80% (or so) of the remakes aren't really satisfactory.
At least the choice of those two actors is very promising. Cees |
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
Right off the top of my head, he referred to Bond's television series as "Wagon Master", which was actually a 1950 film directed by John Ford that Bond was in, but his TV series was called "Wagon Train". Also, the film "3:10 to Yuma" he mistakenly stated that Glenn Ford played the character that was transporting the outlaw to prison when in fact, Ford actually played the outlaw while Van Heflin played the other character transporting the outlaw. By the way, this great film has been remade with a October release starring Russell Crowe in Ford's part and Christian Bale in Heflin's part.
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Okay I got ya. As far as you know how were his facts on the actual subject at hand Rio Bravo?
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| I would assume that Cruise would play Ben Wade with Bana playing the Heflin part. I might be in the minority on this, but that casting would've worked well too. |
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Finally watched this last night, Skin tone colors seemed off, oversaturated -way too brown, made everyone look like they just returned from a vacation in the tropics. I did get used to it after a while. PQ overall was pretty good.I can't imagine this was how it was originally intended but I don't have a half century old memory to base my opinion on so what do I know. I can barely remember what I had for dinner last night.
On a side note - I'd love to see my favorite Hawks/Wayne collaboration Red River in HD someday but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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I was gonna describe the fleshtones as a bit orange but everybody else is calling 'em brown. They're close on the colour palate. I always liked this film and I'm thrilled to own it finally.- Ben_Williams
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thanks for the review! I'll be picking this one up ASAP!The DVD Talk thread on oop titles has this title going oop along with some other dvd editions of the film. Does anyone know what is going on with it? Is Warners going to release a new verion? Is this a title that Warner licensed (as they once did with Stagecoach) and the license is now expired?
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The DVD Talk thread on oop titles has this title going oop along with some other dvd editions of the film. Does anyone know what is going on with it? Is Warners going to release a new verion? Is this a title that Warner licensed (as they once did with Stagecoach) and the license is now expired?
This has always been a Warner title, no matter the video format, so unlike Stagecoach, I expect it to remain a Warner title.
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I fully expect, at some point, Warner to go through older titles with lossy sound and give them lossless audio; hopefully this is one (and they can tickle the transfer while they are at it...)
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