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James Mangold, director of Walk the Line is remaking a classic western. And in following the tradition of fall movies being more interesting than summer films, please take a look at the trailer (and the cast):

3:10 to Yuma

With this, There Will be Blood, No Country for Old Men, Sunshine, and American Gangster, the fall is looking strong. Very strong. Again

Edit: whoops!
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*** Official (2007) 3:10 TO YUMA Discussion Thread

I can't to see this and The Assassination of Jesse James
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*** Official (2007) 3:10 TO YUMA Discussion Thread

"I can't to see this and The Assassination of Jesse James"



The Fall is looking great for movies.
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Looks pretty good. But I don't like how Christian Bale's teenage son is in on it as well. Just seems so unnecessary.
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*** Official (2007) 3:10 TO YUMA Discussion Thread

Nice to see a classic Western coming to theaters again, even if it's a remake — and even if Russell Crowe is no Glenn Ford. There are some really beautiful shots in that trailer.
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*** Official (2007) 3:10 TO YUMA Discussion Thread

This could be the first Mangold film I'd enjoy, though the man has a tendency to boil the flavor out of his films. Anyone else find that the trailer was lacking the very tension that should be the films selling point? Too much gunfire might be the cause. Although I really shouldnt complain, anything western is of interest in my book. I'm just a little disappointed that such a mediocre director has been given the potential to revive the genre. The first 3:10 to Yuma clocked in at a crisp 92 minutes, if this new one comes in at under 100 minutes i'll be impressed.
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*** Official (2007) 3:10 TO YUMA Discussion Thread

Chuck, I noticed that you have Sunshine with those fall releases, but I think it's actually coming out July 20th now. That's what IMDB has, anyway.

As for 3:10 to Yuma, it has Christian Bale and Crowe is usually great, so I'll see this. I'm not familiar with the original at all, though.
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Originally Posted by TwoKings
I can't to see this and The Assassination of Jesse James

i cant, to see this too!

i finally watched the origional Yuma.
that is a great movie.
hope the remake doesnt mess up the ending.
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Originally Posted by TonyD
i cant, to see this too!

i finally watched the origional Yuma.
that is a great movie.
hope the remake doesnt mess up the ending.
You got that right. I actually preferred the original casting rumors with Tom Cruise playing Ben Wade and Eric Bana playing the rancher trying to take him to prison.
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*** Official (2007) 3:10 TO YUMA Discussion Thread

I love Russell Crowe - and I'm always more intrigued by him when he plays a slightly bad/or at least ethically gray character than a romantic lead.

Westerns aren't necessarily something I'm usually chomping at the bit to see, but this actually looks quite good.
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*** Official (2007) 3:10 TO YUMA Discussion Thread

Just watch the trailer for the first time. Looks really good plus, I'm a sucker for westerns.
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*** Official (2007) 3:10 TO YUMA Discussion Thread

This thread is now designated the Official Discussion Thread for "3:10 to Yuma". Please, post all comments, links to outside reviews, film and box office discussion items to this thread.

All HTF member film reviews of "3:10 to Yuma" should be posted to the Official Review Thread.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.


Crawdaddy
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Saw the sneak of this last night with my wife, who was reluctant going in. Afterwards, we both agreed - this is one of the best movies we've seen this year. The acting is very well done and the look of the film just captured us. Highly recommended, and hopefully it is not forgotten in the award season.
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James B really liked it.....
http://www.reelviews.net/movies/t/310_yuma.html
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I just watched the original today in preparation for seeing this remake tomorrow. I don't think I'll be disappointed.




Crawdaddy
post #16 of 45

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Just got back from this and thought it was fantastic! Action, humor and Alan Tudyk. Didn't even know he was in it.
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Saw this today and I must say I think it is one of the best westerns I've seen in a long time. The look is really authentic, the acting is excellent and Crowe puts in an Oscar worthy performance as a bad guy with lots and lots of layers. And when you add in some really great music I found myself at times getting the same feeling I get when I watch an old spaghetti western. I cannot wait for the DVD.
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Re: *** Official (2007) 3:10 TO YUMA Review Thread

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Originally Posted by Haggai

If anyone wants a comparison of the endings of the two movie versions, I can provide that, with spoilers marked separately for each version.


Just saw the remake. I would be interested in reading the differences.
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Overall, I'd say it's a great movie. I didn't like the ending though. It just feels so unnecessary.
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Originally Posted by Ray H
Overall, I'd say it's a great movie. I didn't like the ending though. It just feels so unnecessary.
I didn't like the ending either and thought it ruin the film a little bit for me.





Crawdaddy
post #21 of 45

Re: *** Official (2007) 3:10 TO YUMA Discussion Thread

As far as the ending goes, perhaps if it's went down this way:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
it's William that's killed by Prince in crossfire, and then Wade goes all Death Wish on his crew, and then voluntarily gets on the train to Yuma to accept some consequences, and shoot the scene from the train's POV moving on to Yuma, showing Dan sitting on the ground, holding his son in his arms (as the train continues to pull away from the station), that would have heightened some tragic undertones for Dan, who was willing to sacrifice a lot for a better future for his family. But that's been done before.
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Originally Posted by Patrick Sun
As far as the ending goes, perhaps if it's went down this way:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
it's William that's killed by Prince in crossfire, and then Wade goes all Death Wish on his crew, and then voluntarily gets on the train to Yuma to accept some consequences, and shoot the scene from the train's POV moving on to Yuma, showing Dan sitting on the ground, holding his son in his arms (as the train continues to pull away from the station), that would have heightened some tragic undertones for Dan, who was willing to sacrifice a lot for a better future for his family. But that's been done before.
For those of us that are fans of the original film, I think most of them would not like the ending of the current film.
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Originally Posted by todd s
Just saw the remake. I would be interested in reading the differences.

The main differences in the ending for the original are...

[the following spoilers are all for the 1957 version]
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
As Wade and Evans approach the train, Wade shoots down his second-in-command and jumps onto the train with Evans (Evans' son is not in the scene; he doesn't follow his dad on the journey like he does in the 2007 version). Wade says "I don't like owing anybody any favors," Evans says "once I get you to Yuma my job is through," and Wade says "I've broken out of Yuma before." Evans spots his wife standing by the tracks waving to him, and after the train passes, it starts raining, to indicate a better future for Evans and his family (there's no extortion or barn-burning against Evans in the '57 movie, just desperate struggles from the drought).


Crawdaddy knows the original better than I do, so he can correct anything I mis-remembered or left out.
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
For those of us that are fans of the original film, I think most of them would not like the ending of the current film.

I thought the ending of the current movie worked OK for the way in which they decided to re-tell the story. Like I said in the review thread, I prefer the original overall, but I don't have much of a problem with ending the 2007 version in the manner they chose.
post #25 of 45

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This is the discussion thread so no spoilers are necessary so if you haven't seen either film then don't read any further.

One of the main changes between this film and the original is that Wade killed the stagecoach driver in the original film and he was from Contention City, the town in which they were trying to catch that train for Yuma. Anyhow, the stagecoach driver's brother found out Wade was being kept in the hotel room and busted in the room to kill Wade. Evans disarmed the brother and saved Wade's life, but in midst of doing so a gunshot went off and Prince who was in the street below heard the shot and looked up and saw Wade standing near the window. Prince then took off on his horse to gather the rest of the gang that had other towns staked out on the lookout for Wade. Of course, Prince arrives in town with the rest of the gang just prior to the train's arrival. Also, Mrs. Evans arrived in Contention City too and tried to convince her husband to let Wade go. However, Evans refuses because he believes bringing Wade to justice is the right thing to do and if the towndrunk, Potter, can risk his life to do so then so can he. By the way, Potter was killed by Wade's gang in Contention City as he warned Evans about a sniper across the street from the hotel. As his wife pleads to Evans, Wade watches the interplay between wife and husband, but says nothing. However, during the walk to the railroad station and the final shootout, Wade warns Evans a couple of times and somehow decides on the way to save Evans life by not getting out of the way while Prince pleads with him to hit the dirt so they can shoot Evans down. Once on board the train, Evans asks Wade why he did what he did. Wade replies that since Evans saved his life, he doesn't like owing favors to anybody and that he brokeout of Yuma before and can do so again.
post #26 of 45

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I guess one question I would have is this movie a "remake" or the newer term "reimagining" of the 1950's film or is it a new adaptation of the Elmore Leonard short story, "Three Ten to Yuma" from 1953? If it is the former, it points the discussion in one way (how things were changed from the original, for example) but if it is the latter, then both films would be guilty of a ton of changes.

The biggest would be Bale's character. In the short story, he is a marshal of Bisbey and not well suited to handling a killer of such renown. He is mostly used to handling drunks and bar fights. There is nothing about his feelings as a failure, the Civil War, bum luck on the farm (he doesn't have one) or corrupt landowners or even the railroad. It has been pointed out that this was Leonard's take on "High Noon" and in his story, that makes sense. A deadline, a street full of potential baddies and a gentleman thief with a sly grin.

I bring this up because though this current version of the movie varies, especially it sounds like in the ending, from the original movie, it is just as divergent as the original movie when compared to the short story. I think the story is simple enough that you can interpret it and adapt it in a variety of ways to tell an interesting story and each one could be different.

That said, I liked the ending. What I especially liked about it was the use of sound to enhance the mood. The ponderous chugging of the steam engine as Bale's character lay dying was fantastic for mood. It's ponderous, slow cadence followed the character's own heart as it slowly gave out. Fantastic use of sound without having to have a bombastic score telling you, "yes, this is a sad moment...please cry now." It was a bitter sweet moment, actually. It was a father who redeemed himself in his son's eyes and ended, oddly enough, on a high note.

It was interesting to see Crowe's character and ponder his motives. Was he always looking for a way out of this gang? Had they become too nasty, even for him? Was going to jail a fine way to get out of it, knowing he would escape yet again? Who knows. Fun to think about.
post #27 of 45

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I consider this a remake of the original film because the basic premise of the story stays the same with most of the original characters.
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
You got that right. I actually preferred the original casting rumors with Tom Cruise playing Ben Wade and Eric Bana playing the rancher trying to take him to prison.

Crawdaddy,

After seeing the film do you still think Cruise and Bana could have outdone Crowe and Bale?

Personally I could see Bana doing Evans very well, but I don't think Cruise could come close to Crowe's performance here. My opions of course.

JC
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Originally Posted by Josh.C
Personally I could see Bana doing Evans very well, but I don't think Cruise could come close to Crowe's performance here.

I agree, on both counts.
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Originally Posted by Josh.C
Crawdaddy,

After seeing the film do you still think Cruise and Bana could have outdone Crowe and Bale?

Personally I could see Bana doing Evans very well, but I don't think Cruise could come close to Crowe's performance here. My opions of course.

JC
I know a lot of people like to discount Cruise's acting ability, but I think Cruise would've done well with this part by being charming one minute and deadly the next like he was in Collateral.
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