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I also thought there was some Pat Garret going on here. But, Alby running from the Hummer was a serious tip of the cap to Fredo in The Godfather when they hit his dad.

I also loved seeing Chili John's. That there place is in Burbank...not Utah. Best Chili in the US of A.



Well, I won't get into religious station...probably not allowed here. Let's just say, I try to watch this show with an open mind. This is THEIR religion, and I don't judge when I'm watching the show. If I did, I couldn't root for Bill...ever. That said, I think Ben's take was supposed to be something that hurt Barb's feelings and that Bill did NOT like hearing. It's not SUPPOSED to be thought of that way. In his opinion, that would be the absolute wrong reason to be a polygamist.

Though, I have to say...Bill was quite selfish the way he acted with the wives in this episode.

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She actually said MANUMIT, which means to free from slavery or emancipate.
She want's Bill to "emancipate" all his holdings to her family.

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I'm familar with manumission, and it's origin [manu-hand, mitter-send forth]. I thought I heard 'manumate,' and assumed [s]he was trying to transform the noun form into a transitive verb and 'just' missed. If I misheard, and it's as you said, I guess [s]he got it right.

I guess I'm too accustomed to the likes of Carmine on the Sopranos [stagmire, sacred and propane, etc.]

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So, is Albert the new prophet? I'm not entirely familiar with Mormon leadership rituals, What happens to Roman when he gets released from the hospital? Props to South Park for educating us on what Albert Grant is doing with the hat

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She wants to be evil, shes just so damned naive you feel sorry for her.
"I have twenty-four dollars. In foodstamps."

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When Nikki drove up to the compound I was wondering where she got the freezer she brought to her mom. I really cracked up when Margie asked - "Where's my freezer that was in the garage?"

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Oh my...I hope Nikki's debt is paid off, because now she is in a mountain of new trouble...

Alby as the prophet? Holy crap! That is some of the worst possible news...EVAR!! How does Bill fit into the new order, seeing as how he kicked Alby's ass?

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Very true ..

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To be fair, he never told any of his wives the manner in which he discovered Weeber gaming. She had no reason to suspect it wasn't on the up-and-up; clearly, the look on her face indicated that Alby's reaction had said it all. She's a force of nature — a completely instinctual being. Those eyes are so horribly empty. The shot in the bedroom, where Sarah tries to intimidate her and Rhonda positively towers over her and just stares her down just about says it all. Between her, Alby and Frank it's clear that the wolves have taken control. Sarah, Roman and Bill are throwbacks to a more civilized time.

Bill's more exposed than ever before, on virtually every front, and he doesn't even know it yet. My guess is that once he gets back on the 8-ball, Alby and Frank are going down — and down hard.

In the mean time, I think the Hendricksons are in for some tough times.

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Yeah, I commented to my wife last night that this show has some really hateful villains. I'm thinking the end of the season is going to be a bit of a downer.

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Oh man! I love the way this show stacks it up against Bill with multiple threads.

And, the one threat that doesn't even seem like a threat yet - those guys with Weeber gaming. They don't want anybody squeeky clean because they want to hold stuff against you. They are gonna be tough for Bill - who likes to play the tough guy, but is deep-down too good.

I don't see Bill's snaking of Weeber as something not on the up and up. He just snaked the UEB. All's fair in love and war...and business. But, is Alby just going to drop his suspicions of Nikki?

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Yeah, but Bill has shown that when it comes to doing things "for the safety and security of his family" he's not above doing some pretty questionable things... from the beat-down he gave to Alby to his various business dealing/manipulations.

Bill's big advantage over the various antagonists is that he's smarter than them.

Alby and Frank and shady, greedy characters who only look out for their own interests. Bill has shown that he's smarter than them and can beat them at their own game if he has to.

Boy - this show just continues to get better and better...

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I think what happened in this episode is that Bill finally woke up to what train he was on. His children don't respect him, his wife is on the verge of leaving him, his brother has disappeared, and his enemies are closing in.

Barb's mother's wedding was one of the most awkward scenes I have ever seen. Barb's sister proved once again to be one of the most detestible type of people there is — the type of person who wraps the pagentry of her faith around herself while utterly failing to live up to the central principles of which that faith is based. Ellen Burstyn and an excellent script took Barb's mother from being as equally unlikable as Barb's sister and taking her to a place that is at least as complex as Bill's mother.

The dark parts of the episode were not unexpected, but the funny parts were. The exchange between Bill and his niece was absolutely priceless, especially the look on his niece's face as he addressed the possibility of his brother's murder.

Alby is walking a fine line weaving himself into Horris Green's fold. Considering that everyone knows Green's wives shot down the Prophet, if he's exposed as being in collusion with them that entire house of cards will crumble.

The snakes were both incredibly dark in what they represented both metaphorically and literally — and hilariously absurd. When the snake launched out with a cha-cha rattle of its tail, it was hard to stifle a laugh.

Only once all the shit has hit the fan will Bill and his family be able to untangle themselves from it.

P.S. I think we can expect to see a lot more out of Philip Baker Hall's character.

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Good stuff, Adam. I agree.

One thing I took note of during the "On the next Big Love" preview - Roman is awake.

I wonder how he gets out his drug-induced state that Alby seemed content on continuing. That will be an interesting confrontation...

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Can't imagine Alby and his wife having an infinite stash of the stuff keeping Roman in a sleepy state.

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Alby's wife is either an LPN or an RN. Assuming she works for a medical office of some sort on the compound, it's not that out of reason.

The biggest question I'm wondering is why she hasn't finished Roman off. Give him a big enough dose of the right painkillers and he would either stroke out or stop breathing.

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Exactly, Adam...I thought they would kill him right away. But, clearly Alby doesn't have the cajones or the foresight to do it. His mistake.

I can't believe I'm saying this...but, I think I actually like Roman and want him to live! He's a nut, but he's far more shrewd and less maniacal than Alby or the Green's.

Bill had best play this very smart...and, he should involve his wives as well as listen to them. He'd also be wise to look inside at his faith and share his findings with the family.

And...Nikki bears watching closely. She is a dangerous time bomb.

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I know what you mean.

It seems that they're in the situation of better to have an enemy you know, rather than one you don't know.

Bill had his problems with Roman, but I think he knew at the end of the day that Roman wouldn't ever physically harm his family... Alby... on the other hand...

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I agree about Roman, who while not a paragon of virtue, is still a cut above Alby, as well as Bruce Dern's Frank Harlow. Early on I thought Harlow was just a semi-nasty cantankerous old coot, but of late he's turned into a full fledged turd.

Oh yea, let's not forget Alby's wife, she is a real piece of work.

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I'm surpised no one has commented about last night's show yet. The ending is setting up quite a confrontation between Bill and Alby.

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I just checked the TV Guide listings and it will be shown tonight at the same time as night. I won't give anything away until more people have had a chance to see the season finale.

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A great finale to a great season. This show has come really far.

Lois continues to crack me up. She's gonna end up on the bad end of the Drano draught if she's not careful.

Bill screwed up...first, holding Roman too long; then, underestimating Alby and not realizing he should never have told Nikki his plans.

A shocker that Alby made the smart move. He's extremely dangerous - insane AND smart...AND his wife is Lady Macbeth.

It was great to see Barb move forward. She's finally rebounded from her 'outing' last season.

Can't wait until next season!

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Lois is like the court jester. Always in the thick of things, always riling up feathers, but rarely to any significant effect. Bill screwed up by going after Weeber gaming in the first place. Horace Green and Roman Grant would have had their civil war and Bill would have been able to wash his hands of all of it. Nikki's vindictive habits make her the worst possible person to have around when you're keeping secrets.
The key scene was the scene in the bedroom where Barb forced his hand and made him choose. Sacrificing his need for vengence against Roman Grant was what allowed him to find peace within his own household. The terms by which he released Roman still leave him vulnerable. But at least Roman is safely in third-party hands, an x-factor that Alby can't predict. Rumors about his public betrayal of his father will further destablize his reign. I don't think anyone but Alby will be able to bring Alby down. All despots ultimately self-destruct. Bill returning his focus to his family instead of his schemes means that at least he'll be presenting a united front. I agree completely; my favorite part of the episode. I thought for sure her only shot at recovery was to leave Bill entirely. In this episode, given a shove by Nikki's mother, she reasserted herself into the fold. Her marriage to Bill is the bedrock everything else is founded on. Without her, the house of cards crumbles. Her gloating certainly gave him the advance notice he needed to set up an ambush. Bill's plan relied entirely on surprise; if Roman returned with the whole community watching, Alby would have been powerless to stop it. The cloak and dagger routine we saw tonight gave him deniability. It was the first time any of his family got through to him since this whole Wieber gaming thing started. It returned the family to being a partnership instead of a dictatorship. One thing this episode showed was that, despite the wide-eyed optimism of Margie, Nikki is the truly naive wive of the three. She has no experience with the world. In Margie's assertion of her own will, Barb finally was able to find hers. Nikki, meanwhile, desperately tries to assert the positions of those around her as her own. She's been a pawn for so long she doesn't know how to be anything else.

One thing this episode got me thinking about are the children of this family. All of Nikki and Margie's kids were pretty much doomed from the start — but what about Sarah, Ben, and Teeny? Sarah threw away her carefully guarded virginity as one final act of rebellion against the religions that had caused her so much confusion and pain. Ben embraces his father's beliefs because he can't bear to question them. His comment about his future children being born into polygamy and thus free of unhappiness hints at his own subconcious turmoil. And what about Teeny? She's got pedophiles stalking into the kitchen where she's making a sandwich. As she twirls around the stage at the end to pop standards with the other girls, it's in celebration of a faith that has brought every one around her so much pain. And, free of the media filtering present on the compound, won't she be headed to the same heartbreak that Sarah's experiencing now?

So much good and bad in this episode. And a season finale that truly finalizes things.