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Season 2 had a pretty good start I thought. Lots of things setup. Now we have to see where it goes.
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Poor Barb is trapped. She made the responsible decision, but not necessarily the right one. I liked Bill's apology, but it doesn't toss away what have turned into six years of regret for Barb. Half of Bill's original nuclear family feels betrayed by his decision to enter into a polygimous lifestyle. And the two new branches of his family rely on that original branch for structural support. Considering the circumstances into which the family entered plural marriage, I think both Barb and Sarah have a right to be angry.
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I don't know...I started to get bored with this show toward the end of season one, but decided to give it a shot still. Unfortunately I remained bored. I'll probably continue to watch since my wife enjoys it, and the previews for next week did look a lot more interesting.
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It took me a little bit to get back into the swing of things for this episode, and it was okay, but not quite as interesting as I had remembered it being from last season. But it does look like they are exploring issues of some who were raised in such a situation and now look for more conventional marital means.
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any one else laugh when the dude comes to Bill and says " apparently this happens to normal couples all the time"
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Good episode, but I'm wondering how in the heck the writers can reasonably resolve how the train is going without total destruction of everything, which I wouldn't care for.

As far as the "+Us" crap on the sign, yeah, sure, it's defacement. So what? I think Bill's taking it too harsh. I mean, do people not go to Hilton hotels because Paris bangs everything that has a pulse? Or do people not shop at Papa John's because the chief owner is an Opus Dei Catholic who donates heavily to anti-abortion causes?

In the end, those things mean little. It's whether or not the product is any good or if it's a good value. If I were a customer, the fact that a major store had a polygamous owner wouldn't mean squat to me unless they were a bunch of minors or against their will.

Look, I may be the wrong person because I'm very sympathetic with Bill, but I just don't see this being the economic disaster they do.
post #7 of 62

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Didn't realize this started already. Anyone know if HBO is going to do an encore recap, (like the first 3 episodes of the season after the 3rd airs). They often do something like this.
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Originally Posted by Chris
Good episode, but I'm wondering how in the heck the writers can reasonably resolve how the train is going without total destruction of everything, which I wouldn't care for.
When you live in a house of cards, it's bound to crumble sooner or later. Bill's life for the last six years has been centered on one BIG lie. I think it's only natural that would set him down this path eventually.
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As far as the "+Us" crap on the sign, yeah, sure, it's defacement. So what? I think Bill's taking it too harsh. I mean, do people not go to Hilton hotels because Paris bangs everything that has a pulse? Or do people not shop at Papa John's because the chief owner is an Opus Dei Catholic who donates heavily to anti-abortion causes?
I think that was the point. Bill stepped over the line on several occasions in this episode. Don keyed in on it, which was what that moment in the SUV at the end was about. I really liked the pay off of Bill's big speech to the billboard CEO - hiring the two menial workers they talked to at the beginning. Considering the sanctimonious air that Bill carries around most of the time, I really enjoy scenes that undercut that and bring the show back to reality.
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In the end, those things mean little. It's whether or not the product is any good or if it's a good value. If I were a customer, the fact that a major store had a polygamous owner wouldn't mean squat to me unless they were a bunch of minors or against their will.
The Mormon church is extremely sensitive about polygamy. Look at the hell it raised when the series was first announced. It makes sense that LDS members — so often the target of the polygamous stereotypical portrayal — would have a much stronger knee jerk reaction than the rest of the country would.

Did I miss something? What was Rhonda's call to Barb about?

I also really enjoyed the last scene with Joey, considering Nicki's lack of conviction in the power of love. Love doesn't get any more powerful than taking the rap for a crime one didn't commit.
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Did I miss something? What was Rhonda's call to Barb about?

If I'm not mistaken, she basically copped to being the one who ratted Barb out because she felt jilted.

I think Rhonda has an important part to play soon...
post #10 of 62
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GREAT episode. Albi is a real PITA, and maybe Bill has found something that is morally questionable.. but would help his family, does he do it or ??

I loved them speeding off as Nikki realized what Bill & Barb had thought all along, that Roman is a creepy bastard.
post #11 of 62

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I really loved the scene where Mary Kay Place was explaining the family tree to the young girl.
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I thought last night's episode was great.

Can someone in the know explain about the group that Ben's friend was trying to get him involved in? Is that something real, or a "proxy" of something in real life?

It seemed like it was some extreme "chastity" group or something? And what was with Ben getting seemingly beat up at the "concert"? Was that like a mosh-pit kind of thing?
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Originally Posted by Jeff Pounds
I thought last night's episode was great.

Can someone in the know explain about the group that Ben's friend was trying to get him involved in? Is that something real, or a "proxy" of something in real life?

It seemed like it was some extreme "chastity" group or something? And what was with Ben getting seemingly beat up at the "concert"? Was that like a mosh-pit kind of thing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_edge
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Originally Posted by Chris
GREAT episode.
I agree. Just caught up with it tonight, and that final sequence finally felt like the series was going some place — building toward something.
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Albi is a real PITA, and maybe Bill has found something that is morally questionable.. but would help his family, does he do it or ??
Albi is a human being who was wronged in a horrible fashion. That his natural indignity has caused such problems speaks to the fragile nature of the Juniper Creek compound: obedience must be absolute in order for it to thrive.
As for stealing Roman's deal out from under him, I fear that could have repercussions beyond the immorality of gambling. Roman might be wounded right now, but he's not dead.
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I loved them speeding off as Nikki realized what Bill & Barb had thought all along, that Roman is a creepy bastard.
A cornerstone of growing up that she had long avoided due to the fanaticism of her upbringing. We all reach a point when we realize our parents are fallible human beings. In this case, her father is more fallible than most.
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I really loved the scene where Mary Kay Place was explaining the family tree to the young girl.
Me too. I especially liked how it highlighted the incest inherent in such complicated family ties, without making explicit judgements.
post #15 of 62

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Oh, wow. Lois sure is one sadistic old fuck, huh? All's well that ends well, but... MAN!
post #16 of 62

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I think this show is getting really stretched thin with so many characters involved in getting Bill off the hook, while also trying to control him. It's getting a bit too complicated.
post #17 of 62

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Good episode for Margene tonight.

And I think the videogambling deal is going to burn them bad.
post #18 of 62
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If someone is that desperate to sell a major company that he's giving them 7 days to come up with 6-digit figures and counselling his girlfriend to not worry about packing anything before they split.. yeah, something really shady & wrong is going down. Bill should open his eyes and stay the hell out of it.

Will he pick up another wife?
post #19 of 62

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Will he pick up another wife?

If he does that might send Barb out the door, for good.
post #20 of 62

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fun episode.

Man, they really pile it on poor Bill. Now, he's between TWO psycho-prophet sects? And, this new one is straight out of a David Lynch movie! I don't know if polygamists are really like this, but I hope they are! This is rich!!

And, man, Rhonda is the most conniving and evil backwoods beeyotch I have ever seen.
post #21 of 62
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Rhonda is one of the most evil characters on any show I can think of. Devious, sinister.. and EEEVVILL. She's just so CREEPY.

However, Nikki is busting to get Bill into bigger trouble then he can handle. Going straight to a reporter to bitch her out and revealing she's still a polygamist which will lead straight to Bill, and then trying an abduction in the home of a law officer??

Is Nikki mad? They were all pissed about being outted, you get the feeling Nikki is desperate to go back to the reservation.
post #22 of 62
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Margie's mom was a riot. But you get the strong feeling that Margie is maybe the only wife in the mix who really, truly believes in Bill and the arrangement. Barb is in it because she loves Bill and accepts it.. with serious doubts. And Nikki is in it because she was, as Margie's mom pointed out, born into it and believes it's duty.

But Margie seems to be the only complete convert, although with a meager understanding.
post #23 of 62

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It was also nice to see Margie on more level footing than Nikki for once. Things that we take for granted aren't obvious in a community like Juniper Creek which has no alcohol problem.
Bill's really gotten himself between a rock and a hard place now.
post #24 of 62

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HBO has given them another season.
post #25 of 62

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Originally Posted by Chris
Margie's mom was a riot. But you get the strong feeling that Margie is maybe the only wife in the mix who really, truly believes in Bill and the arrangement. Barb is in it because she loves Bill and accepts it.. with serious doubts. And Nikki is in it because she was, as Margie's mom pointed out, born into it and believes it's duty.

But Margie seems to be the only complete convert, although with a meager understanding.

I don't think it is the arrangement, per se, that she believes in. I think this is the only sense of family she has, given the condition of her mother, and her track record with men and raising Margie.
post #26 of 62

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What an ending! Quite blatant shades of the baptism scene from The Godfather. I didn't anticipate them gunning down Roman.

Ben letting it slip that he thought of wives as sexual objects to be used up and disposed of gets to the heart of my problems with polygamy; how can Teeny, for example, feel she's equal to men when her father hops between women who condone it — and she lives in a home where only the men can attain religious station?
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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt
What an ending! Quite blatant shades of the baptism scene from The Godfather. I didn't anticipate them gunning down Roman.

I thought it was more of an homage to another Harry Dean film, PAT GARRET AND BILLY THE KID. The use of the song "Knocking on Heaven's Door" and everything.
post #28 of 62

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You will MANUMATE our holdings. . .


Excellent obtuse word creation.
post #29 of 62

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This was an intense episode. Rarely have I seen such an vast amount of plot lines unfold in a single episode. It certainly didn't drag.
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You will MANUMATE our holdings. . .

I will admit, I laughed my ass off at that. Thriller of an episode.
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