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post #61 of 86
10/17/07 at 10:56pm

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

Yep, and ptential customers and HDdvd owners should be asking "what Happened?!?!?" and not rushing to defend Paramount or the format itself with, "Well, Fox has been..."
Doesn't help the issue at all.
If one buys a disc, one expects what's printed on the case and therefore promised to be included to actually BE there.
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post #62 of 86
10/17/07 at 11:08pm

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

Canceled!
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post #63 of 86
10/18/07 at 5:04am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Yep, and ptential customers and HDdvd owners should be asking "what Happened?!?!?" and not rushing to defend Paramount or the format itself with, "Well, Fox has been..."
Doesn't help the issue at all.
If one buys a disc, one expects what's printed on the case and therefore promised to be included to actually BE there.

Exactly. The defensiveness and knee jerk deflection comments are quite bizarre. For some every topic comes back around to HD vs. BD and it doesn't matter what gets fouled up because it's all A okay as long as their format doesn't look bad compared to the other.

I swear based on some of the back and forth, tit for tat that goes on around here it feels like I'm back in the 7th grade again.
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post #64 of 86
10/18/07 at 5:23am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Originally Posted by Jim_K
Exactly. The defensiveness and knee jerk deflection comments are quite bizarre.

Sadly, this is part of the "format war". For many, "Paramount" represent HD DVD and "Fox" Blu-ray, even when both companies have these bare bones-releases or at least slightly disappointing ones..

Even when I have "defended" e.g. Fox myself, I have to agree that these bare bone-releases most likely will be the ones that I´ll skip.. Enough is enough (goes to e.g. both Paramount and Fox).
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post #65 of 86
10/18/07 at 7:10am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

Looks like Paramount is recalling these to fix the erroneous packaging and they will indeed not have any special features in the end. The DVDEmpire guy at DVDtalk posted the press release they got about it:

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Please be advised that there are typographical errors on the packaging for the Jack Ryan Special Collector's Edition HD-DVD. The packaging inadvertently notes special features that are not on the HD-DVD.

As a result, this product is being recalled and street date is being delayed. We ask that you do not sell or rent this product to consumers and that you stop shipments to additional destinations. A Paramount Home Entertainment Representative will contact you with an RA number to facilitate sending the product back to Paramount Home Entertainment's manufacturing facility. Returned product should include any unit previously shipped to retailers or other destinations as well as your on-hand inventory.

We will provide further information on the availability of new product shortly.

Should you have any further questions, please contact a Paramount Home Entertainment Representative.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
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post #66 of 86
10/18/07 at 8:27am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

lol Nice job, Paramount. Fix the packaging, as clearly that was the real problem.
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post #67 of 86
10/18/07 at 8:48am

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Well, these are now gonna be officially Netflix rentals. I REALLY wish they had just stayed neutral. I liked being able to choose which version I was going to get.
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post #68 of 86
10/18/07 at 8:59am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette
lol Nice job, Paramount. Fix the packaging, as clearly that was the real problem.

Well, it was pretty obvious that the packaging was the problem from Paramount's view. Having been in the business for 3+ years, it's obvious to me that:

1. Paramount planned to have this release port over all DVD extras.

2. Paramount assigns their authoring houses and packaging houses the tasks related to this disc.

3. Paramount decides to cut cost and drop all bonus content, but forgets to inform packaging department.

4. Release gets out and the discrepancy is noticed.

There are simply too many stages in authoring for this big of a specifications error to get through. The culprit is the packaging department, which was more than likely not kept in on the loop when the specs for this release changed.
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post #69 of 86
10/18/07 at 9:48am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
Apparently the recently released BD of "From Hell" has all the supplements.
So Fox is at least getting better, paramount's now getting worse.
They going exclusive were one of the reasons I went neutral.
We were all better off when they were neutral.
I expected more from them. You can't just rush to defend every studio with, "Yeah? Well FOX charges...for.."
It gets old.
Two comments, having just picked up numerous 'bare bones' Fox releases with a 40.00 retail, one catalog release with extras does not mark an improvement.
Second, we still don't know if it is packaging issue, or a pressing problem, and we won't unitl Paramount reannounces the now delayed release. Until then, I find the Paramount bashing a little old. The set in question has not been released yet.
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post #70 of 86
10/18/07 at 9:55am

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Well, it was pretty obvious that the packaging was the problem from Paramount's view.

Of course, I was speaking from the customer's view. The customer who seems to be getting constantly screwed by various studios where HDM is concerned lately.
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post #71 of 86
10/18/07 at 10:02am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

Paramount has recalled the Jack Ryan set.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...=1#post3253015
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post #72 of 86
10/18/07 at 10:06am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

Par-a-mount! Less than meets the eye!
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post #73 of 86
10/18/07 at 10:35am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

With Paramount barely releasing catalog titles in HD, there is no reason why these features cannot be ported over. It really isn't a big expense at all.

Everything Paramount does simply smells of a double dip. Are we yet to get a Paramount catalog title with lossless in ADDITION to special features? With the JACK RYAN Collection pulled from circulation, this will leave Trek S1 as the only major 4th QTR catalog release, and it falls more under the banner of CBS since they actually did the work on it.

Those of you out there who believe the $150mil buy out rumor, tell me, do you still believe it now?
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post #74 of 86
10/18/07 at 10:42am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Second, we still don't know if it is packaging issue, or a pressing problem

There's no possible way it's a pressing problem.
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post #75 of 86
10/18/07 at 4:33pm

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Originally Posted by ppltd
Two comments, having just picked up numerous 'bare bones' Fox releases with a 40.00 retail, one catalog release with extras does not mark an improvement.
Second, we still don't know if it is packaging issue, or a pressing problem, and we won't unitl Paramount reannounces the now delayed release. Until then, I find the Paramount bashing a little old. The set in question has not been released yet.

Thomas, the fact is that this has NOTHING to do with FOX and everything to do with Paramount. Yet in many people's rush to defend the studio and the format, people keep bringing up FOX.
That's like coming home with a bad report card and defending yourself to your parents by saying, "So! Joey got a WORSE report card!"
Doesn't matter.
and now that Paramount is admitting that the PACKAGING is wrong and these discs like Top Gun will be bare bones when previous catalog titles had bonus features show the direction Paramount is unfortunately heading now. Down.
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post #76 of 86
10/18/07 at 8:37pm

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

I bought the Trek movies on DVD, and then RE-bought the 2 disc SE's. I will never buy a bare bones Trek movie on any format again! They are playing the same game with Top Gun and Jack Ryan, but they are not the only studio who double dips! You KNOW any big movie, or series will be released dozens of times if they sell!
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post #77 of 86
10/18/07 at 10:37pm

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

Fully agreed. I just think we shoud stay on topic and not bring other studios into the thread that have nothing to do with this.
That's what always happens at AVS and the thread turn into flaming format nonsense.
Paramount going exclusive was what made me go format neutral. So far, they aren't giving many others a whole lot of incentive to do the same.

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post #78 of 86
10/18/07 at 11:33pm

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Originally Posted by ReggieW
With Paramount barely releasing catalog titles in HD, there is no reason why these features cannot be ported over. It really isn't a big expense at all.

Yes, but try to tell that to the Paramount-supporters. When you choose your camp... etc ....

Mr.White: "I got Transformers coming out of my left ear, and Transformers... I-don't-know-what coming out of my right."
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post #79 of 86
10/19/07 at 3:07am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Originally Posted by ReggieW
Those of you out there who believe the $150mil buy out rumor, tell me, do you still believe it now?
I think it was more than a rumor and to some extent even accepted by the studios concerned. The only thing different they claimed was that no actual cash was involved. Anyhow, to reply to your question, I say this points ever so more as evidence that they don't really believe in HD-DVD as a product but rather they are just releasing titles to HD-DVD as part of the deal. Thus they want to spend the least amount of money possible right now and when the 18 months are up, they will redo the titles for release on Blu-Ray. Ofcourse this is just conjecture on my part, so please don't ask me to provide any evidence of the same. Although, Paramount's actions seem to be speaking louder than their so called support for HD-DVD.
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post #80 of 86
10/19/07 at 6:39am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
If one buys a disc, one expects what's printed on the case and therefore promised to be included to actually BE there.
No one bought it. It was pulled before it's release so it cost no consumer anything. No harm, no foul. As I said, I will wait to see what Paramount's decision is prior to making a judgement.
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post #81 of 86
10/19/07 at 6:40am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Originally Posted by Sanjay Gupta
I think it was more than a rumor and to some extent even accepted by the studios concerned. The only thing different they claimed was that no actual cash was involved. Anyhow, to reply to your question, I say this points ever so more as evidence that they don't really believe in HD-DVD as a product but rather they are just releasing titles to HD-DVD as part of the deal. Thus they want to spend the least amount of money possible right now and when the 18 months are up, they will redo the titles for release on Blu-Ray. Ofcourse this is just conjecture on my part, so please don't ask me to provide any evidence of the same. Although, Paramount's actions seem to be speaking louder than their so called support for HD-DVD.
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post #82 of 86
10/19/07 at 6:42am

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No harm, no foul.

Yeah, sure whatever.
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post #83 of 86
10/19/07 at 6:47am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
Fully agreed. I just think we shoud stay on topic and not bring other studios into the thread that have nothing to do with this.
But the same can be said about slamming a studio before we actually know what is going on. At this time, the only thing we know for sure is that Paramount realized there was a problem and yanked the disk before it's release date. I also don't want to pay premium dollars for Special Editions that are not special (Hardly premium price with this release though), but I am willing to take a wait and see attitude prior to slamming them. They did the right thing by pulling the release before the release date, now let's give them a chance to fix the issue.

It took Universal a month to fix the COM problem, and we are still waiting months after the release for Disney to even ackknowledge that they have a problem with the POC release. To slam Paramount even before the disk is released seems a bit silly.
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post #84 of 86
10/19/07 at 6:49am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Originally Posted by Jim_K
Yeah, sure whatever.
Jim, leave it to you to take my comment out of context. This was related to a comment about consumers getting what is advertised on the package. Since the disk hasn't been released, no cnsumer has been impacted. By the way, just what harm did it do you?
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post #85 of 86
10/19/07 at 7:55am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

Paramount was notorious for years for releasing DVDs with nothing but the film itself. Apparently they've gone back to that philosophy for HD DVD.
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post #86 of 86
10/20/07 at 7:31am

Re: Disturbia, Top Gun, Jack Ryan Collection Blu-Ray & HD DVD Late Summer/Fall

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Since the disk hasn't been released, no cnsumer has been impacted.

Tell that to the people who did recieve the discs already and better yet those who sold off their SE's based on the specs of this release.

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By the way, just what harm did it do you?

I sold off my Hunt For Red October SE based on the specs even though I decided to wait for the inevitable individual release. I wouldn't have done so had I known this would be a lowly barebones release.

If they come back with disc repressings containing the special features (which I doubt) then yeah you can say no harm no foul.
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