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post #31 of 39
6/7/07 at 4:58am

Re: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan; 25th Anniversary!

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Originally Posted by Gary Seven
There was a time where the STWOK was my favorite but over time I find it just doesn't hold up and comes off as a cheap 'B' movie. I agree that Meyer leaned toward the militaristic and I never liked that at all. However the commraderie from the series was more prevalent than in the motion picture. I never felt that Harve "The Powers of Mathew Star" Bennet and Meyer "saved" the franchise as it never really needed saving (IMO) but did provide a popcorn movie very accessible to the public.

Two things I wanted to say:

1) it WAS a cheap B-movie, made by the television department! It actually looks really good for what it was.

2) I agree, it didn't need saving: while The Motion Picture was not a great film (and I don't know how much the new cut repairs it, though I agree that it's better -- and the film is full of good ideas), it made a pile of money. The Motion Picture saved the franchise by being a hit.
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post #32 of 39
6/7/07 at 6:47am

Re: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan; 25th Anniversary!

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Originally Posted by nolesrule
Now that I think about it, I only missed I and III in theaters as well.

Joe, if you're like me, then you have no idea how you could have missed III!
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post #33 of 39
6/7/07 at 10:26am

Re: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan; 25th Anniversary!

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Originally Posted by Chris Atkins
Joe, if you're like me, then you have no idea how you could have missed III!

Actually, to show my young age, I wasn't even 6 when II came out, so the real question is how I ended up seeing TWOK in the theater. I think it was part of an after school program or summer day care program, but I distinctly remember seeing it in a theater.

I know I caught III on TV, but it wasn't until IV came out on video that I rented all 4 films and watched them back to back to back to back on my birthday when I was 11 or 12. That was the first time I saw TMP.
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post #34 of 39
6/7/07 at 1:00pm

Re: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan; 25th Anniversary!

I think Khan was the best of the bunch too, although I think TMP was the purest Trek and closest to Roddenberry's vision.

One thing I found annoying: When each Rick Berman-produced movie came out, Berman would also say it was the best since Wrath of Khan, and each time, he'd say the villian was the best since Khan.

I also agree that the movie deserves credit for the great photography.
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post #35 of 39
6/18/09 at 9:25pm

Re: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan; 25th Anniversary!

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And From Hell's heart, I stab at thee.

For hate sake, I spit at thee..

Great moments in this film. This is the Trek film that all others, including the new one, wish they were. We watched this tonight in our house at my son's insistence. I hadn't watched it in a while, probably 2 years.

What I really enjoy is that the entire mid-section builds great tension over a battle of crews, as both ships are destroyed and they work frantically to become the first to just become operable.

Yes, it's not super action oriented, but it has such an air of plausibility, so much more then wild space battles, that the tension is thick. In a large cast, even minor characters get some great moments.

This is real action/suspense. Tons of films are just "action" and wall to wall action which kind of leaves out the suspense part of guessing what happens next - because the audience isn't given enough time to ponder what could happen yet.

And, it looks great in bluray.
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post #36 of 39
6/18/09 at 10:10pm

Re: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan; 25th Anniversary!

It's actually, "For hate's sake, I spit MY LAST BREATH at thee."

Carry on.
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post #37 of 39
6/19/09 at 4:13am

Re: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan; 25th Anniversary!

TWOK looks and sounds awesome on BluRay. Montalban was so badass.

I can see how some consider The Empire Strikes Back the TWOK of Star Wars movies.

Meyer`s belief that Montalban would have made a stellar King Lear is most insightful.
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post #38 of 39
6/19/09 at 3:57pm

Re: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan; 25th Anniversary!

I'm surprised noone mentioned the fact that.....Kirk had a son! Was that made up for the movie, Or was it ever said he had one at anytime before that?
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post #39 of 39
6/20/09 at 4:55am

Re: Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan; 25th Anniversary!

Tyler, Kirk having a son was never brought up until this movie.
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