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post #1 of 28
5/26/07 at 5:22pm
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post #2 of 28
5/26/07 at 7:17pm

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And where did they get this info from??
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post #3 of 28
5/26/07 at 8:52pm

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Great news about TORCH SONG. A truly hideous film....and I love it. I hope it's properly framed in widescreen.
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post #4 of 28
5/26/07 at 9:53pm

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TORCH SONG wasn't a widescreen film. It was released in 1953, shot before widescreen was much of an issue. I just hope they properly restored it because the 1990 Laserdisc was a terrible mess made from a color-fluctuating CRI that was in abominable condition - yet the Technicolor trailer on the disc looked GREAT! LOL
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post #5 of 28
5/26/07 at 11:16pm

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I hope the other titles are Sadie McKee and A Woman's Face.
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post #6 of 28
5/27/07 at 6:30am

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Very glad to see that FLAMING ROAD is being included - another gap in my Curtiz DVD collection gets filled!
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post #7 of 28
5/27/07 at 6:49am

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I knew FLAMINGO ROAD was going to be one of them. George Feltenstein mentioned that it would be in one of his chats.

TORCH SONG is a camp classic for sure and worthy of inclusion.
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post #8 of 28
5/27/07 at 8:20am

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2007/2008?? Damn that could be as late as February or March. I'm hoping it's in December though. Warners said it was all ready, but they were just working out some kinks.
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post #9 of 28
5/27/07 at 9:16am
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There is only 2 things that I have to complain about.

1.To many of her movies from 40s ( if "A Woman's Face" is gonna be in the set) Would be much more fun I they mixed her movies from her heydays in the 30s with her later ones from 40s 50s

2. When they gave us Joan & Bette vol.1 Warner made the impression that the boxes would match together and Bette will get her vol.3 next year when we will get vol.2. I relly hope they are planning a vol. 3 for Joan right now. If they can release "Trog"(the most hated Joan movie) they sure can give us The Last of Mrs. Cheyney (1937), Paid (1930), Today We Live (1933), Goodbye, My Fancy (1951), No More Ladies (1935),Our Dancing Daughters (1928) The Shining Hour (1938) I Live My Life (1935) Mannequin (1937) ect...and the rest of her movies With Clark Gable

I know I sound like a whiny child, but I am ofcourse happy that we are gonna get a vol.2
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post #10 of 28
5/27/07 at 10:05am

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Originally Posted by Junior_V
There is only 2 things that I have to complain about.

1.To many of her movies from 40s ( if "A Woman's Face" is gonna be in the set) Would be much more fun I they mixed her movies from her heydays in the 30s with her later ones from 40s 50s

2. When they gave us Joan & Bette vol.1 Warner made the impression that the boxes would match together and Bette will get her vol.3 next year when we will get vol.2. I relly hope they are planning a vol. 3 for Joan right now. If they can release "Trog"(the most hated Joan movie) they sure can give us The Last of Mrs. Cheyney (1937), Paid (1930), Today We Live (1933), Goodbye, My Fancy (1951), No More Ladies (1935),Our Dancing Daughters (1928) The Shining Hour (1938) I Live My Life (1935) Mannequin (1937) ect...and the rest of her movies With Clark Gable

I know I sound like a whiny child, but I am ofcourse happy that we are gonna get a vol.2

Well I'm sure we'll see more Crawford in the next Gable set, too. It would be nice if they put a films like Laughing Sinners, Possessed or Chained (no VHS release) in his set. Dance, Fools, Dance and Our Modern Maidens will most likely be in future Forbidden Hollywood sets.
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post #11 of 28
5/27/07 at 10:08am

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btw I'd prefer a solo release of The Last of Mrs. Cheney. That way they could inlcude Norma Shearer's version and Greer Garson's 1951 remake, The Law and the Lady.
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post #12 of 28
5/27/07 at 5:17pm

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I would love to see THE BRIDE WORE RED (37) on DVD more than any other Crawford film. Maybe?
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post #13 of 28
5/27/07 at 6:54pm

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I am hoping they will include a TCM ARCHIVES of her silent films, as they did with the Garbo box set.
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post #14 of 28
5/28/07 at 7:26am

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I'm also hoping that the other 2 titles will be her 30s films...those are the ones I've really been waiting for. And the silents, of course...yes, a TCM Archive set would be great!
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post #15 of 28
5/29/07 at 5:50am

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I checked out that opening link and saw absolutely nothing about a forthcoming DVD set! Where is the proof- can someone give me a REAL link to an actual annoucement of what films will be on the second Crawford set?
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post #16 of 28
5/29/07 at 10:52am
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Re: Strange Cargo and Torch Song in Crawford vol. 2

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I would love to see THE BRIDE WORE RED (37) on DVD more than any other Crawford film. Maybe?

ME TOO!!
I in the "Baby Jane" DVD they kept showing "Wore Red" clips along with "Dancing Daughters" and at the and of the docu it said " Also Available From Warner" so they sure are comming


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I am hoping they will include a TCM ARCHIVES of her silent films, as they did with the Garbo box set.

It would be great if it was "Our Dancing Daughters", "Our Modern Maidens" & "Our Blushing Brides"

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I checked out that opening link and saw absolutely nothing about a forthcoming DVD set! Where is the proof- can someone give me a REAL link to an actual annoucement of what films will be on the second Crawford set.

Loóks like it's been removed. The people at Warner probebly got pissed it leaked out
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post #17 of 28
5/29/07 at 1:22pm

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In the meantime, I was a little surprised that Warner included "Reunion in France" in their recent "John Wayne Film Collection" as it is much more of a Joan Crawford vehicle than a John Wayne film. Since Warner does not mix previously released titles with new releases in their box sets anymore, fans can tide themselves over with that one and not have to worry about a double dip with any speculative future Crawford set.

Regards,
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post #18 of 28
5/29/07 at 2:51pm

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So what will be in the set?
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post #19 of 28
5/29/07 at 7:53pm

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What set? The set that got away?
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post #20 of 28
6/11/07 at 2:39pm

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Originally Posted by Chuck Pennington
TORCH SONG wasn't a widescreen film. It was released in 1953, shot before widescreen was much of an issue.

I definitely think it was shot with widescreen intentions.






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post #21 of 28
6/11/07 at 3:37pm

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I think it highly unlikely Torch Song was ever shot with widescreen intentions. The Robe, the CinemaScope film that started the wide screen craze opened in September 1953 and Torch Song opened only a month later in October 1953. It was the success of The Robe that started all the studios jumping on the "wide screen" band wagon. Shane, for example, opened the same month as The Robe and was exhibited in fake "wide screen" in some avenues although it was composed for 1.37. I suspect Torch Song suffered a similar fate.
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post #22 of 28
6/11/07 at 4:03pm

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I'm sorry, but look at the placement of the characters within the frame. Compare it to the way Walters shot LILI. I thoroughly believe it was shot for widescreen. I created a 16x9 transfer from my laserdisc and it plays perfectly in that ratio.
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post #23 of 28
6/11/07 at 4:11pm

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NO....it was THIS IS CINERAMA and the "filming" of the ROBE that started the widescreen revolution. The industry was abuzz with the prospect of Cinemascope and began composing films for cropped widescreen in early 1953. If IMDB is to be believed, TORCH SONG didn't go into production until June of that year, two months after SHANE's APril premiere in a wider ratio.

It's more likely that TORCH SONG would have been composed for both ratios to suit the widest number of theatres. I think I remember reading that the early MGM releases cropped to an odd ratio like 1.75:1 but I can't remember exactly.
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post #24 of 28
6/11/07 at 4:15pm

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Well, I don't want to get into a big hoo-ha over this, Mark. But it begs the question, how a movie could be shot for wide screen when wide screen didn't exist at the time of its filming? And no one even knew if it would take off or flop. Even Fox was hedging it bets shooting The Robe and How To Marry A Millionaire in both scope and flat.
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post #25 of 28
6/11/07 at 4:22pm

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Well, I don't want to get into a big hoo-ha over this, Mark.

I'm not trying to start a big hoo-ha, either. Widescreen didn't happen overnight. I'm sure studios were well ahead of the game.
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post #26 of 28
6/11/07 at 4:28pm

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I stand corrected on Shane's release date, Will but Shane's initial release was flat, not wide screen. Or are you saying that theatres were equipped for wide screen PRIOR to the release of The Robe? It is my understanding that Shane was cropped to compete with CinemaScope after wide screen became preferable as a marketing tool.

Still, all this is speculation. As the impending release next week of Thunder Bay (1953) with some sides declaring this was shot full screen with the intention of being exhibited wide screen and others declaring it was composed for 1.37 and later decided to crop it for wide screen release.

I think we can all agree that 1953 was a transitional year and which flat films were intended to be cropped and shown wide screen and which films were composed for 1.37 and cropped indiscriminately is all conjecture. It's a safer assumption in 1954 after the success of CinemaScope that almost every film was shot with wide screen in mind.
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post #27 of 28
6/11/07 at 4:45pm

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My personal method for judging these things is watching the top of the frame. Prior to matted widescreen, that area was used a lot, especially in close-ups. If I watch an entire film and the majority of the upper frame is left unused, I assume matting was taken into consideration.
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post #28 of 28
6/11/07 at 7:29pm

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Theatres WERE equipped for widescreen prior to the release of THE ROBE. The screens weren't Cinemascope size, but the big metropolitan theaters installed larger screens to take advantage of the "widescreen revolution" that Cinemascope would (hopefully) usher in.

The spate of poorly cropped movies appearing in the spring and summer of 1953 prompted one critic to liken it to a fire sale.

Check out Ron Haver's book about the making of A STAR IS BORN for a really in-depth look at the time period.
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