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PS3 1.8 (upscaling is here)

post #1 of 35
5/23/07 at 8:46am
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An amazing update for PS3 owners, and all features (PS/PS2 upscaling in particular), has been confirmed to be universal and applicable for all regions.
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post #2 of 35
5/23/07 at 8:58am

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Too bad PS3 upscaling is NOT for PS3 games.
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post #3 of 35
5/23/07 at 9:09am

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Originally Posted by Romar Armas
Too bad PS3 upscaling is NOT for PS3 games.
One hurdle at a time I suppose.

Does seem strange, though. If they can upscale 480i to 1080p, you'd think they could upscale 720p to 1080i.

Release makes no mention of it though.

There's always firmware 1.9.

I'm just impressed the updates keep rollin' out. Encouraging. Sony does seem to be working to give people what they want.
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post #4 of 35
5/23/07 at 11:47am

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Holy carp! This update sorta came out of left field, even with the rumors swirling around. Hope the servers can handle the rush to download.
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post #5 of 35
5/23/07 at 12:04pm

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Lots of other good stuff coming too:

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Additionally, PS3 can now play back media content stored on a personal computer or digital video recorder with Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) capability over a home network.


Any DLNA servers out there that run on Win XP?
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post #6 of 35
5/23/07 at 12:23pm

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Is 1.8 available now?
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post #7 of 35
5/23/07 at 12:28pm
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Tomorrow I think. What that means globally I'm not sure.
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post #8 of 35
5/23/07 at 4:41pm

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Should be quite interesting tomorrow. Too bad I'll be out most of the day, but at least when I get home I'll be able to get online and read what happened before dragging my gear upstairs for an update.
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post #9 of 35
5/23/07 at 11:30pm

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It is available NOW!

I was watching a movie and when it was done, the system came up and said "You need to update" 1.8 popped up and so I DL'ed it and read what it said - PS1, PS2 and DVD upscaling. I threw in Pan's Labyrinth which I recently watched on my Denon 2900 and I was quite surprised at how much detail and color was added to the picture with the upscaling. The image isn't quite as clean as Blu-Ray, (well it is as good as the wost ones I've seen) but it is absolutely an improvement over 480p and my venerable 2900. I am impressed.
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post #10 of 35
5/24/07 at 1:28am

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Firmware 1.8 also enables 1080p24 throught HDMI.

Sony just pushed the PS3 blu-ray capabilities forward a long way.

You also get Blu-Ray output downscaled to 720p, for those people with displays that don't handle 1080i correctly.
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post #11 of 35
5/24/07 at 4:50am

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720p is going to make a lot of people very happy.

Nice work Sony!
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post #12 of 35
5/24/07 at 5:34am

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My Sony Bravia TV is looks far better with a 720p feed on Blu-Ray playback from my PS3 than it did with 1080i (the TV not being capable of receiving a 1080p feed).

I feel that my PS3 has gone from being a merely good BR player to an excellent one. Tremendous work Sony, much obliged!
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post #13 of 35
5/24/07 at 6:26am

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Awesome update.
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post #14 of 35
5/24/07 at 6:56am

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Originally Posted by Greg Kettell
Lots of other good stuff coming too:




Any DLNA servers out there that run on Win XP?

Windows Media Player 11 will do it.


Also, I had NO IDEA how freaking good upscaled DVDs can look.

Star Wars III looks phenomenal.

BTW - You can flip back and forth during a DVD to see the difference by hitting the TRIANGLE button and choosing the option in there. What a difference.

Can someone explain to me what "Super White" is though?
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post #15 of 35
5/24/07 at 12:22pm

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Read in the other thread that apparently there is still no scaling of PS3 720p games to 1080i. Also it looks like the majority of the upscaling benefits are available only through HDMI.

So it looks like those of us with the older HDTVs, with no HDMI inputs, and unable to accept 720p signals are still out in the cold.

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post #16 of 35
5/24/07 at 2:13pm

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Read in the other thread that apparently there is still no scaling of PS3 720p games to 1080i. Also it looks like the majority of the upscaling benefits are available only through HDMI.

So it looks like those of us with the older HDTVs, with no HDMI inputs, and unable to accept 720p signals are still out in the cold.
Upscaling of games will work just fine (EDIT: PS1 AND PS2--no downscaling of 1080p to 720p for PS3 games yet or 720p to 1080i/p I suppose). Also, you should be able to get 720p over component for BDs.
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post #17 of 35
5/24/07 at 2:43pm

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Yes, you can get 720p over component.
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post #18 of 35
5/25/07 at 7:50am

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Just to clarify, my TV set does not accept 720p, only 480p and 1080i. A lot of HD sets made in the early 2000s have this flaw. The 360 can scale its native 720p games to 1080i, but the PS3 downscales it to 480p. So Resistance and other 720p games are shown in 480p to people in my position.

So while all the other stuff this update does is wonderful news, the original flaw that brought up al the bruhaha about the PS3 not scaling properly (what I described above) still isn't addressed.

What gives me a little hope though is that the PS3 can clearly do scaling, so it should eventually be doable. What worries me is that the PS3 may be doing the scaling not with a scaling chip (a la the 360) but with the CPU and software. In order to play PS1, PS2 and DVDs, the PS3 is hardly taxing itself so it can dedicate some CPU power to software scaling, and maybe that's why it can't with PS3 games because those are made to use up a lot more of the PS3's system resources.

Who knows. I'm happy that this fix helps a lot of people. Just bummed that it doesn't help me.
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post #19 of 35
5/25/07 at 9:07am

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Yes, you can get 720p over component.
For games yes, for DVDs no. You'll need HDMI to watch upscalled DVDs in any resolution.
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post #20 of 35
5/26/07 at 8:22am

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
Who knows. I'm happy that this fix helps a lot of people. Just bummed that it doesn't help me.

You are not alone, my buddy has the same problem.
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post #21 of 35
5/26/07 at 11:57am

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My 1.8 updated PS3 doesn't upscale non-macrovision protected or back-up DVDs over component at all...

Tested a few Anchor Bay titles known to be unprotected and a few back-up DVDs over component on a VW-10HT projector; regardless of settings (normal, double scaling, etc.) under blu-ray options the projector tells me the PS3 is putting out 480p.

Unless I'm missing something here, mine won't upscale ANY DVD over component.

Keep Smilin'- JackJD
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post #22 of 35
5/26/07 at 10:47pm

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For games yes, for DVDs no. You'll need HDMI to watch upscalled DVDs in any resolution.

Yep, sorry I forgot to add that small caveat...

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Unless I'm missing something here, mine won't upscale ANY DVD over component.

See above. Most upscaling players will do the same, though some offer upscaling of non protected discs over component. The PS3 is not one of them.
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post #23 of 35
5/27/07 at 8:30am

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Originally Posted by JackJD
My 1.8 updated PS3 doesn't upscale non-macrovision protected or back-up DVDs over component at all...

Tested a few Anchor Bay titles known to be unprotected and a few back-up DVDs over component on a VW-10HT projector; regardless of settings (normal, double scaling, etc.) under blu-ray options the projector tells me the PS3 is putting out 480p.

Unless I'm missing something here, mine won't upscale ANY DVD over component.

Keep Smilin'- JackJD
Mine upscaled the two burned DVDs I tried, but they were laserdisc rips if that makes a difference.
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post #24 of 35
5/27/07 at 2:48pm

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Mine upscaled the two burned DVDs I tried, but they were laserdisc rips if that makes a difference.

Same here. As long as a DVD is not CSS protected, my PS3 will upscale over component. It's important to remember while certain Anchor Bay and WB titles may not use Macrovsion encoding (which is primarily designed for analog recording devices), they are still likely to be CSS protected.
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post #25 of 35
5/27/07 at 8:15pm

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Magnolia titles like World's Fastest Indian will upconvert over component.
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post #26 of 35
5/27/07 at 10:26pm

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Mine upscaled the two burned DVDs I tried, but they were laserdisc rips if that makes a difference.

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Same here. As long as a DVD is not CSS protected, my PS3 will upscale over component. It's important to remember while certain Anchor Bay and WB titles may not use Macrovsion encoding (which is primarily designed for analog recording devices), they are still likely to be CSS protected.


Unprotected/unencrypted DVD, DVD sourced backup discs, Laserdisc sourced backup discs WILL NOT UPSCALE over component on the PS3 at all... 480p for all of the above regardless of what setting I choose in the BD settings menu.

Every one of the discs I mention above which will not upscale on the PS3, DOES UPSCALE to 1080i over component on the HD-A1...

I'd love to figure out what's going on here... I'm baffled and a bit frustrated at this point.


Keep Smilin'- JackJD
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post #27 of 35
5/28/07 at 9:39am

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It does say in the disclaimer that DVDR's will not upscale. Or does it say may not? I forget, but it mentions it specifically.
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post #28 of 35
5/30/07 at 7:13pm

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Hello Everyone,
Forgive the retread if this has been answered elsewhere, but can someone give me a rundown of the "normal", "full", and "double" terms on the upscaling options menu (think I have the "off" nailed).

Also, assuming I understand what has been posted so far, to upscale normal DVD's I need HDMI - the best I can get with component is 480p for standard DVD's (?). I can't get my old (2000) 55" Mits 16:9 to break, and the best it has is component (and 1080i, not even 720p). If that's the case I think I'll teach my 3 year old the basics of golf - in the HT room. Thanks.
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post #29 of 35
5/30/07 at 8:31pm

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Hello Everyone,
Forgive the retread if this has been answered elsewhere, but can someone give me a rundown of the "normal", "full", and "double" terms on the upscaling options menu (think I have the "off" nailed).

Also, assuming I understand what has been posted so far, to upscale normal DVD's I need HDMI - the best I can get with component is 480p for standard DVD's (?). I can't get my old (2000) 55" Mits 16:9 to break, and the best it has is component (and 1080i, not even 720p). If that's the case I think I'll teach my 3 year old the basics of golf - in the HT room. Thanks.

Normal upscales to the res of your display, 720p, 1080i or 1080p. 4:3 content is pillarboxed in the frame.

Full does the same, but 4:3 content is expanded to full screen.

Double upscales 480p to 960p, and the entire display is windowboxed in the 1080 frame. It is only available for 1080i and 1080p settings.

Yes, you need HDMI (or DVI HDCP and an HDMI converter cable) on your TV to upscale.
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post #30 of 35
5/31/07 at 7:42pm

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Unprotected/unencrypted DVD, DVD sourced backup discs, Laserdisc sourced backup discs WILL NOT UPSCALE over component on the PS3 at all... 480p for all of the above regardless of what setting I choose in the BD settings menu.

Every one of the discs I mention above which will not upscale on the PS3, DOES UPSCALE to 1080i over component on the HD-A1...

I'd love to figure out what's going on here... I'm baffled and a bit frustrated at this point.

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Yes, you need HDMI (or DVI HDCP and an HDMI converter cable) on your TV to upscale

Well ...Unless there was an unannounced running change in the 1.8 software download, it certainly does allow for upscaling with *unencrypted* DVDs and DVD-Rs.

I have my PS hooked up to my projector strictly by component cables. When I pop in a copy protected DVD (most of them) the projector switches to 480p once the disc is started, and scaling options are not available. When I pop in a DVD or DVD-R with no copy protection, the projector stays in the 1080i mode, and all three scaling options are available.
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