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Playing around with the phone a little more this morning
and I already have a "bug" issue....

I get a lot of email. Perhaps 200+ plus per day. Mostly spam.

While going through a mass deletion of email (edit mode) the
phone locks up. In fact, it has done it on a regular basis whereas
I'm deleting one mail after another and then freezes. I usually
have to go back to the home screen then back to my email to
continue.

On my Blackberry, I was able to do a mass delete by highlighting
an entire group of email and then deleting. Here, you have to
manually delete mail one-by-one. Of course, I have not explored
this phone's full functionality so I may be missing something.


Waiting to see if anyone else has this problem.

So....iPhone not perfect.

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OK so far I have four things to say:

1.) I haven't owned a Mac computer in several years, I used to have a G4 (pre OS-X), so this may sound silly, but would it be impractical for the phone to update w/ a speech to text program via a firmware update? It seems like this may help people who use a lot of email/have keyboard issues.

2.) Couldn't the speaker phone quality be improved with a firmware update also? or use a Bluetooth speaker kit for cars? (speaking of cars, BMW has announced support for the iPhone)

3.) Ron, is it possible to set up email filters before you use your iPhone to receive them?

4.) Since I havent bought one....yet (still hounding the wife, but Id have to buy 2 of them) I have printed out a sheet w/ a 3d cutout. I shall be pretending to hold this thing all day.

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I'm sorry.... But anyone buying these , with the intent to put them on Ebay, is just a total jerk.... You won't get more than what you paid anyways. They are available at the stores....

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I've commented on this before, when you were looking for spam filters, but I'll repeat it, because I really think you'd benefit: Move to Gmail as your spam filter.

Having my own domain name, I was getting 100+ spam a day. Mailwasher, which I used for a year or more, was inadequate. It wasted too much time first downloading all the junk, and then I spent too much time waiting for it to process, and also manual training.

I switched to Gmail. All my person email is automatically forwarded by my domain server to Gmail. My mail app (now, Apple's Mail) downloads from Gmail. Gmail has proven to be far more effective at spam filtering than Mailwasher was. It also means I have web access to my personal mail with the best online email system available.

Gmail isn't perfect. And you may privacy concerns. But pushing my email to Gmail to serve as my spam filter was the best thing I've done for email. If you can do the same, it will reduce the spam you see from 200 / day to maybe 2 per day. And your iPhone email problem may be solved.

I suggest trying it for a month, if possible. If you don't like it, go back to your present process.

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I see 1385 for 1, 800+ for another and one guy is up 4k for a pair. ebay is nuts, I agree.

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Steven, I was holding back on saying something, but... I agree, that's a pretty crappy thing to do considering how many people are legitimately trying to get one of these things. This is even more so for those of us who are commenting here on how much fun we had last night acquiring one and using it.

Now putting a used Product Red iPod nano on eBay is another thing altogether.

- Steve

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for those commenting on push email and calendar applications.......

the iphone at least in this first iteration was NOT DESIGNED FOR ENTERPRISE USE. period.

i am not attempting to defend the device, but i am getting fatigued with all of the folks complaining that it does not support exchange or push technololgy. duh. that has been stated for months at this point.

however...... changes are already afoot.

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8 gb iphones are going for btwn 800 and 1000 on average on ebay.

keep in mind not everyone is near a source of phones sooooooooo they are willing to pay. i could have easily gotten one last night at the apple store but besides the phone looking cool it does not serve any purpose for me at this point. i need push email capabilty and 3G so i will wait. but i should have jumped on the band wagon last night and got to 8 gigs and ran home to ebay.

i could have made at least 400 bux easy. but the time to do that has passed. i might make half that now. not worth it.

funny enough, i saw one go for 10,000 bux last night. it was a buy it now with immediate payment required so some fool paid 10,000 bux for a 8 gig. i was stunned.

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Dave,

This probably has nothing to do with the iPhone but
I have a great spam filter (SpamSieve) for my Mac mail. I don't
need another service to filter out the spam.

However, now that we are talking iPhone, I suppose
I'm going to need something to reduce the 200+ spam mails I
get per day. Actually, if iPhone had a MASS DELETE
function this point would be mute.

Anyhow, I have no problem investigating GMAIL and trying to
figure out how to filter everything through it, but would doing
so also effect my normal Mac mail which I don't want messed with?

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Ron, I would second Dave's recommendation of GMail - the spam filtering is top notch. I may see 2-3 spam e-mails slip through into my Inbox per month.

And iPhone directly supports GMail.

What are you using now for your mail service?? .Mac?

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I see a lot of people online attempting to unlock the iPhone. Why is this happening? It's legal to unlock your cellphone to take to another provider (i.e. T-mobile) due to Congress's new ruling on the DMCA Act. So why are people having issues? Dont cell phone companies have to comply if a owner wants to unlock it?

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Guys,

I have 2 POP accounts. One is through HTF and the other Verizon
(since I have their FIOS service)

My concern about pumping everything through GMAIL is that I
like the way my email is coming in through my Mac desktop. I
use SPAMSIEVE to weed out spam and everything works great.

If I was forced to route everything through GMAIL for my iPhone,
I would have to do the same for my Mac....yes? This I don't want
to do.

If you guys feel I can do this, I would need instructions on how
to do this.

Thanks

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I saw this in the Washington Post about unlocking GSM phones. See the last sentence in parenthesis.




Wonder that the deal AT&T has with the iPhone when it comes to unlocking. Is there anything in the fine print?

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Michael, its also rumored that AT&T will still sell you the iPhone w/o a contract if you have bad credit. This means you can purchase the phone w/o a contract right? no contract means they will unlock the phone then?

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From what I understand, people that failed the credit check could still get a phone for a pay as you go plan. But in addition to the 500 bucks for the phone, a buyer also had to pay a $250 deposit. And you couldn't get data service on the pay as you go.

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Show me such a rule.

Provides who sell a phone at a discounted rate do so on the fact that you accept a contract that the phone is locked to them as a provider for the term of your agreement.

So, unlocking a phone is strictly against your contract agreement. People are having issues because, point of fact, many of the Apple rendered software services (like mobile Itunes, etc.) will not work on any other network, as Apple (not Cingular/ATT) checks for incoming data connections source, and non-Cingular/ATT connections using those phones will be refused, thus making the phone a paperweight.

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Such a Rule How else am I to take that? Contract or not. We all have the right to break a contract (and may pay dearly for doing so, but the phone is rightfully ours to do with as we wish.

Also, I was unaware that there were ANY discounts on the sale of the iPhones at all.

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Ron, If you've got a great spam filter, why does your iPhone even see the Spam?

I'm guessing because because it's filtered locally, on your Mac, not at the your mail server.

I don't know how the iPhone email system works, but unless you've got mail-server level spam filtering or the iPhone has its own spam filters, you'll still have to sort out SPAM every day and delete it manually. Even with a mass delete feature, I see that getting really tiresome really quickly with 200+ spam a day.

Gmail is the common man's server-level spam filter. Depending on how your mail server is setup, this might require changes to your Mac Mail -- specifically, having Apple Mail pull from Gmail instead of its current source.

If nothing else, you should talk with your tech gurus and email provider about improved server-level filtering.

OK, here's another idea: Can SpamSieve be set to automatically, and frequently, poll your server and delete all spam at the server? Then your iPhone will catch much less spam when it checks for email. (?) I'm guessing here...

You could reconfig your SpamSieve to pull email from GMail and pass it on to your system. I wouldn't recommend such a major change to a well-working system, but it sounds like your situation plus an iPhone may require it.

Good luck! I've been fighting new computer stuff all day (freakin' Apple Mail won't properlly import Thunderbird email!) so I feel your pain.

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Y'know... All I want is a 40 gig or so Ipod that looks like the Iphone! I have no need for a fancy phone (I only spend about 25 bucks every month and a half on a pay as you go phone), I have a real camera, thank you. And I don't need to be tied to my email or the internet anymore than I am at home

But them graphics and interface sure are fancy! I might actually download a video or two from Itunes and store photos if my screen could get that big.

I'm just sayin... Cool toy, but i'd like to see the iPod catch up.

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Dave,

This is what happens...and it is the same thing that happened
with my Blackberry.

My email duplicates itself across 3 computers. The same email
I download to my Mac desktop will also later download to
my Macbook Pro and then again to my Blackberry (and now) iPhone.

Even though I download mail to one computer, it duplicates itself
across every single computer.

In a way it's great! I can keep all my computers uniform by
getting the same mail. In fact, I never miss an email because
of the duplication across all three computers.

So now, I hope you see the problem....

Even though I download mail to my Mac desktop which has a
great filter that reduces the spam, the same email gets downloaded
to the iPhone but this time without the spam filter.

This is the problem.

Now, if I can set up Gmail spam filtering/forwarding JUST for the
iPhone and with no interference to my Macbook Pro or desktop...GREAT!

I just need to know what to do and how to do it.

On a side note, I talked to a really cool guy at Apple who took
my complaint about the email situation and said he would brainstorm
it later today with the Apple engineers. I told him it was a major
flaw for a perfect phone.

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That's basically what I posted earlier. I sure hope the next gen iPods have some sort of worth while advancements. After it's the single product that saved the company.

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What the copyright office is saying is that you can't be prosecuted if you figure out how to do it. Not that they have to reward you for doing it. More over, the range of service of that is very limited, in that it notes you are allowed to "do what it is supposed to do, perform as a phone."

However, the iPhone relies heavily on Apple's data connection servers, as I noted above, which right now exist ONLY on Cingular/AT&T's network due to an exclusive 3 year agreement between Cingular/ATT & Apple.

So, what I'm saying is: fine, figure out how to unlock the phone, and you could get phone support on some other network if someone figures it out. But you have no access or support to any data services, because Apple won't provide them to you, since they have an exclusive agreement on the ATT/Cingular network.

So, fine, unlock it. Have a $500+ phone that is really, just a phone. No data or internet support or support for playing iTunes protected (purchased) content.

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Actually, I thought it was the "Fat Mac" that saved the company:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_512K

After the original 128K Mac failed on the heels of the ill-conceived Apple III business computer, Apple was so down that the wheels were put in motion to ease Steve Jobs out. The "Fat Mac" temporarily saved Jobs (who left a year later anyway to form Next and Pixar) and permanently saved the company.

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Should have been the IIGS, which was such an incredible product for it's time with no company support

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Ron, you could try using a rule on the Mac whereby all mail that winds up in your Inbox is re-directed to another account...in this case, a Gmail account. In order for this to work, Mail.app would have to be running all the time on your Mac Pro so the spam could be processed through Spam Sieve first. You could then set up the iPhone to check mail on that Gmail acount. One potential issue...any e-mail you reply to would show up as coming from your Gmail account. Since the mail application on the iPhone doesn't appear to have a "Reply to" field, any follow-up messages would go direct to your Gmail account.

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No it most definately was the iPod.

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Let me see if I've got this straight:
You have email service from the HTF domain hosting and email service from your Verizon broadband.

On your Mac Pro you have SpamSieve which downloads mail and passes it to Mail.app

On your MacBook Pro, same thing: SpamSieve and Mail

On your iPhone, it talks direcly to your email servers (your Pop or IMAP settings) and downloads all your email, including 200 spam/day.

If I've got it straight, then your SpamSieve works locally and never removes email from the server, to ensure the other computers also get the email.

The key is to get Spam removed at the email server level at the time of classification.

I'm no expert, but I see a few options:
* SpamSieve should delete spam emails on the server after processing locally. I'm assuming this is possible, but I don't know. Could cause conflicts with both Macs working simultaneously.

* Server side spam filtering. With HTF, this is very likely possible. With your broadband, probably not. Talk with Parker or your hosting support people.

* Auto-forward all email from HTF to GMail. Spamsieve downloads from there and you work like normal. Would take minor modifications to your email setup at the domain host. Should be possible to affect only your emails and not Parkers and other HTF email users. My uncertainty is if GMail POP settings work in the way necessary for multiple systems to access new email. I've never tried that.

* Hope for mass-delete on iPhone and deal spam directly

* Hope for spam filtering locally on iPhone.

With your contact at Apple, they should have much more expert advice than I offer, and perhaps that'll help the mass delete come to be.

As an experiment, you can set up a Gmail account and and set your systems read email from it via SpamSieve, just like you do now for HTF and Verizon. If that works, then consider forwarding email to Gmail for one account (assuming one of your two is less important) as an experiment for a few days. Then go from there.

I hope you can figure this out. I loathe spam, and wish everyone to have more spam-free lives

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Well...I caved...bought 2 8GB iPhone's (one for me and one for the wifey) this evening at the Apple store in Rancho Cucamonga, CA (Victoria Gardens). Struck out first at my nearest AT&T store so I then just headed straight to Apple after that.

Walked in around 4pm PST and there was about 20 people in line and everyone was buying at least 1 Iphone. Seemed liek they had quite a few, but there were probably only 15 or so bags left behind the counter...so maybe they were about to run out (or they could have just had more in back).

haven't even unboxed them yet...but I'll be letting them both charge overnight and then try to get things moved over from my current AT&T account tomorrow.

Do you chose your plan and everything via itunes...or is it just activated w/ itunes and then you have to call in?

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Some pics: