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post #121 of 168
3/21/08 at 9:24pm

Re: Lawrence Of Arabia in HD

No interest in any of the following Scott?

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
The Aviator
Black Hawk Down
Blade Runner
Bullitt
Cast Away
Chicago
A Clockwork Orange
Dawn of the Dead (1978)
Day of the Dead (1985)
The Departed
The Descent
Donnie Brasco
Edward Scissorhands
Eyes Wide Shut
A Few Good Men
Finding Neverland
The Fugitive
Full Metal Jacket
Gattaca
The Getaway (1972)
GoodFellas
Good Night and Good Luck.
Halloween (1978)
Harry Potter 1-5
Hoosiers
Immortal Beloved
Jailhouse Rock
Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang
A Knight's Tale
Kung Fu Hustle
The Last Samurai
The Last Waltz
Letters from Iwo Jima
The Lives of Others
Memento
Million Dollar Baby
Mission: Impossible
Mission: Impossible III
Music & Lyrics
Pan's Labyrinth
The Phantom of the Opera
Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl
The Pixar Short Films Collection, Vol. 1
Planet Earth
The Prestige
The Pursuit of Happyness
The Queen
Ratatouille
Remember the Titans
Rescue Dawn
Reservoir Dogs
Rio Bravo
RoboCop
Run Lola Run
A Scanner Darkly
The Shining
Sleepy Hollow
Speed
Stranger Than Fiction
Superbad
Superman: The Movie
Superman Returns
Syriana
The Terminator
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
2001: A Space Odyssey
Unforgiven
The Usual Suspects
U2: Rattle and Hum
Volver
The Wild Bunch

All of these films are, in my book, at least very good, with those I put in bold ones I consider excellent. None of these interest you?
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post #122 of 168
3/22/08 at 2:01am

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Originally Posted by RobertR
What does that mean, exactly? I have no interest in buying what I think is a lousy movie, regardless of what "but we have to nuture the fledgling format" sentiments are expressed.
I meant buy the 'good' films available now (even if not released in US and expensive). Not everything whether you enjoy it or not.
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post #123 of 168
3/22/08 at 2:37am

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
No interest in any of the following Scott?
...
All of these films are, in my book, at least very good, with those I put in bold ones I consider excellent. None of these interest you?
That's what I meant. I really don't get it if people moan about a bad selection and claim a broad taste. Or:
Bonnie & Clyde
Breaking and Entering
Michael Clayton
In the Valley of Elah
The Rock
Damages: The Complete First Season
Lost Season 3
Across the Universe
3:10 to Yuma
Sunshine
The Fly
Prison Break: Season One
Pixar Shorts
Mr. Brooks
Arlington Road
The Searchers
Seven Years in Tibet
Curse of the Golden Flower
Apocalypto
The Fountain (!)
Closer
Dog Day Afternoon
Big Fish
Babel
Kingdom of Heaven
Corpse Bride
Training Day
Seventh Seal
Oldboy
Death at a Funeral
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post #124 of 168
3/22/08 at 6:32am

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Different people have different criteria for what's worth owning. If a film is good or even excellent, it still may not have much replay value. I thought The Lives of Others was excellent - but I probably won't ever watch it again. I'd watch Volver, Bonnie and Clyde, Dog Day Afternoon one more time in HD, but will I watch it again after that? I don't think so.

I'm still waiting to buy a player, but I started picking up titles.
So far I only have Planet Earth, Immortal Beloved and 2001. There Will Be Blood and Fargo are definite purchases for me when they get released. If Seventh Seal was available in this region, I'd pick it up - but it's too pricey to order from Europe. There are probably 100 more titles I would pick up, but a about 70% of them are catalog foreign films - which is poorly represented on the format.
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post #125 of 168
3/22/08 at 10:02am

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I understand the notion of not wanting to own films one sees little or no replay value for, but I figured Scott would want to own - or at the very least take for free, which his post stated was not even a viable option for him of the films available - maybe 1 or 2 from my list. It's not like I listed only horror film, or only musicals. I'd say that's a pretty eclectic list.
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post #126 of 168
3/22/08 at 10:17am

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Originally Posted by Jeff Adkins
Some sad news being reported from Penton-Man the Sony Insider:
*I will tell you that the film will not debut on Blu-ray in 2008.
I doubt that it will even debut in 2009, as Close Encounters of The Third Kind, barely made any money factoring in all the work/expense that was put into it.*

So this whole discussion now is based on this one inside rumor? Is it really confirmed, that Sony is delaying "Lawrence Of Arabia", just because "Close Encounters" didn´t sell that well?

Don´t get me wrong. I like inside-rumors and all that, but perhaps we should have more info about this.. Or did I miss something from the thread?
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post #127 of 168
3/22/08 at 11:32am

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
I understand the notion of not wanting to own films one sees little or no replay value for, but I figured Scott would want to own - or at the very least take for free, which his post stated was not even a viable option for him of the films available - maybe 1 or 2 from my list. It's not like I listed only horror film, or only musicals. I'd say that's a pretty eclectic list.

Oh, well ya... for free I'd take all those titles. Are you offering?
ebay here I come!!

Scott's probably exaggerating the "not even for free" comment on some of those movies - meaning some of them he finds horrible, while others are probably only OK.
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post #128 of 168
3/22/08 at 11:59am

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Originally Posted by Jari K
So this whole discussion now is based on this one inside rumor? Is it really confirmed, that Sony is delaying "Lawrence Of Arabia", just because "Close Encounters" didn´t sell that well?

Don´t get me wrong. I like inside-rumors and all that, but perhaps we should have more info about this.. Or did I miss something from the thread?

Haven't heard anything to the contrary and would appreciate hearing from any other insider, their observations & opinions too.

Personally, I appreciate the well intended information and would like to encourage this kind of source to keep us informed, as well as any other insider who has up-to-date knowledge of what is currently going on behind the scenes.

Penton-Man's information does not seem to have a malicious intent and sounds extremely plausible given the "Drama" in other threads for the purpose of FUD.

Paul
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post #129 of 168
3/22/08 at 12:42pm

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Many of those films I already own on HD-DVD, so I should have said "outside of films that I already own on HD-DVD, there is nothing out there I would take for free".

The films released on blu-ray for the last 5-6 months I would not take for free. Meaning if I don't think a film is great or holds some interest beyond a single viewing, I do not want it taking up space in my home.

This is my opinion and should be obvious as such. Some of you guys are too sensitive.
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post #130 of 168
3/22/08 at 1:22pm

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To be clear, I wasn't trying to be critical or condescending in any way. I was just legitimately perplexed since I see quite a few more than five titles worth owning. The HD-DVD factor certainly makes your previous statement make more sense, Scott.
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post #131 of 168
3/22/08 at 11:26pm

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so they can justify A Passage To India????!!!??? a film NO where near as popular as lawrence

But we can't have lawrence cause "the blu ray install base is too small"

I smell horse shit
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post #132 of 168
3/23/08 at 1:01am

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Originally Posted by willyTass
so they can justify A Passage To India????!!!??? a film NO where near is popular as lawrence

But we can't have lawrence cause "the blu ray install base is too small"

I smell horse shit

Yes, it sounds a bit far fetched to me also... I respect the insiders, but with these type of rumors, they should give a bit more information (if you´re reading this guys.. ).
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post #133 of 168
3/23/08 at 5:15am

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It may simply be that A Passage to India is ready to go now, where as Lawrence has some work to be done. That is if they are trying to correct digitally some of the problems that were not correctable in the 1989 restoration.

Also they maybe planning a much more extensive package for Lawrence with considerably more extras that for Passage.

Purely speculation on my part.

Doug
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post #134 of 168
5/8/08 at 12:27pm

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Apparently LOA is about to be restored in 4K from the best 65mm sources. Sony has approved the budget. BD possibly sometime next year.
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post #135 of 168
5/8/08 at 2:01pm

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Originally Posted by Michel_Hafner
Apparently LOA is about to be restored in 4K from the best 65mm sources. Sony has approved the budget. BD possibly sometime next year.

Great news Michel!

According to Penton-Man, the negative is planned to get scanned. Link

A lot of the information is confusing to me.

We're talking a 65mm negative? Are they using the The "Northlight scanner" or the Imagica "Bigfoot" scanner?
Isn't the "Bigfoot" the only one in the world set up for high speed 65mm 4K transfers for widescreen picture photochemical preservations and video mastering?

And now the added improvements of plug-ins?

In April 2008, a press release from Imagica about their O-gi plug-ins designed to improve a range of image quality problems that post production facilities have had to deal with in the past.

A lot to learn about!!!

Paul
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post #136 of 168
5/9/08 at 1:18am

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Originally Posted by Paul Hillenbrand
Isn't the "Bigfoot" the only one in the world set up for high speed 65mm 4K transfers for widescreen picture photochemical preservations and video mastering?
Paul
High Speed is probably a no no anyway with LOA since the negative is not printable. They might have to scan at greatly reduced speeds if not frame by frame for some parts.
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post #137 of 168
5/9/08 at 3:40am

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sounds like Q4 2010 will be the earliest we see the Bd -given an an acknowledged bd production time of about 6-8 months that would leave 18 months for the transfer. Does 18 months sound too conservative an estimate for a 3 hour, large format film to be carefully transfered? Has anyone heard if Kwai is getting the same treatment?
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post #138 of 168
5/9/08 at 7:37am

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Originally Posted by Michel_Hafner
High Speed is probably a no no anyway with LOA since the negative is not printable. They might have to scan at greatly reduced speeds if not frame by frame for some parts.

It is my understanding that at least the large format scans done by Fotokem for the 70mm Fox movies were done on a frame by frame basis. I would hope that the same technique will be used with LoA.
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post #139 of 168
5/9/08 at 9:56am

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I expect nothing less than 8K scans. 4K scans would be half-cocked, to say the least.
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post #140 of 168
5/9/08 at 10:09am

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Does an 8k scanner exist?
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post #141 of 168
5/9/08 at 10:16am

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I would highly suggest that unless someone posts under their own name, and identifies themselves as having a studio or laboratory position, that their offerings be taken with a boulder of salt.
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post #142 of 168
5/9/08 at 2:09pm

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Originally Posted by RobertR
Does an 8k scanner exist?
Yes. Look for the first 8k-to-BD transfer(s) later this year.
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post #143 of 168
5/9/08 at 2:23pm

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway
Yes. Look for the first 8k-to-BD transfer(s) later this year.

Of which film?

So is Lawrence Of Arabia now being restored or not? Robert Harris' post makes it sound as if it's not which makes sense as he already restored it to perferction years ago. Why would Sony do it again?
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post #144 of 168
5/9/08 at 2:23pm

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Actually, the effects shots from Blade Runner (already available on BD and HD DVD) were scanned @ 8K. This information is provided on the clear plastic insert provided in the 5 disc Ultimate Box Set.
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post #145 of 168
5/9/08 at 2:42pm

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Originally Posted by Danny_N
Of which film?
I'm not at liberty to say.
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post #146 of 168
5/9/08 at 3:13pm

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I heard that BARAKA got an 8K scan from the 65mm pre-print elements.

Vincent
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post #147 of 168
5/9/08 at 3:34pm

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Baraka is a movie that definitely is being scanned in 8k, the info can also be found on in70mm.com for quite some time now. I did not know however that a Blu-Ray release of Baraka was planned.

Other possible candidates would be It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World, Khartoum or The Bible - all of which are scheduled to be available with new 70mm prints this year or the next
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post #148 of 168
5/10/08 at 4:30am

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If an original negative is in pristine condition, there is no reason to go to 8k scans to create elements from which a print can be made.

There is nothing wrong with the good old-fashioned interpositive / dupe / print route.

RAH
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post #149 of 168
5/10/08 at 6:35am

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RAH,

I hope it will help to be able to scan the negative and other remaining large format elements for movies like Ben Hur or The Alamo. Would you also recommend it for Super Technirama 70 movies like El Cid regardless of the condition of the negative ?

Do you know if the 4k scans of The King and I and Carousel where used to create elements for the new 35mm prints ? I have to say that I was disappointed to see that Fox did not do new 70mm prints for these two movies, they would have been very good candidates for projection in Ultra Panavision 70 although a presentation as 70mm flat with small black borders top and bottom would have been fine with me, too.

Oliver
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post #150 of 168
5/10/08 at 7:54am

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I'm not looking for 8K scans to create new elements. It is just my humble opinion that, given the inherently higher resolution of 65/70mm, it would make sense to start at 8K with the best possible elements and then downsample to 1080p.
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