Spider-Man 4: July 3rd, 2012 - Page 3

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

If that's the case, I'd like to point out that Sam Raimi produced John Woo's first American film, Hard Target.

Or we can get really crazy and talk about how Raimi and the Coen Brothers have a long history...

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

jason, why would you put Woo's name out there?
after what happened with Hulk, Woo will never be considered seriously
for a superhero movie

edit, obviously woo did not dir Hulk, i am dumb.

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

It would be a damn shame if Ang Lee's underrated Hulk had any effect on John Woo being hired for anything.

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I nominate Scott Spiegel!

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Ugh. Forget it. It would be all scenes of Spider-Man swinging through explosions. MI2 - worst movie ever.

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i agree mi2 was really bad.
...stupid, surprised no one corrected the stupid mistake i had here before....

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Ah, the classic internet meme of acting like someone will always repeat their most (in)famous performance. Because it's not like John Woo has had a practically legendary career in Hong Kong that had people chomping at the bit for him to come over to the U.S... He'll always just do what he did in MI2.

(Also, if you think MI2 is the "worst movie ever", you need to see some real crap to know the difference.)

(Also also, I don't necessarily think John Woo would be the best choice for Spider-Man either, but, geez, when he's on his game, the guy is good)

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it has been about 15 years since he has directed a good movie.

broken arrow was ok and face off was also just ok.

please No Woo

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I don't want to see another if it is as crappy as Spiderman 3.

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

Raimi will be involved with Spidey 4 in some capacity. If not as director, he'll definitely be on board as one of the producers, as well as one of the story consultants. Personally, I think Raimi is waiting to see how the whole Peter Jackson/New Line/Hobbit thing works out before he makes a final decision.

From what I understand, if Raimi chooses not to helm the next Spidey flick, he'll stay on as one of the producers for the next trilogy of films. Make no mistake though, Raimi will direct another Spidey movie, its only a question of when he decides to.

Raimi has been making a lot of noise about stepping in as director on "The Hobbit" should Peter Jackson stay on as a producer. Given how the case is going, New Line would be very wise to settle this whole issue out of court and do what they can to make nice with Jackson if they sincerely want Raimi to direct the movie(s).

I also wouldn't be at all surprised if Raimi decides to sit the next Spidey flick out that he'll have a say in who Sony should go after to replace him. Either way, thanks to the massive success of the Spidey trilogy, Raimi has emerged as one of the industry's most sought after talents (as well as one of the highest paid directors in the land) and he won't sit idle very long.

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If I had to pick directors that I think would make a kick ass Spidey film they would be: Renny Harlin, Tony Scott, Simon West and lastly Robert Tappert. Robert spent so much time under Raimi's wing he would do the film justice. As far as Carnage goes he's merely a Venom spinoff character and doesn't deserve screen time before more renowned villians such as : Kraven, Chameleon, Electro, Vulture, Mysterio,Etc. Multiple villians can also work. For instance, you could have the Rhino robbing a bank in a 5-10 minute scene and wrap it up. You don't need to delve deeply into every dumb ass villian's origin to have fun with them. Alot of Spidey villians are dissposable and can be dealt with briefly.Then you can have a more respectable villian be the heart of the story. I was under the impression that the 6th Spider-Man was going to be "Sinister Six" anyway. That's going to be an all out war of a movie. The rumor was the Green Goblin was going to organize all previous foes to kill Spider-Man once and for all. I have to get that movie from this franchise. It would be awesome.

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If all comic book movies were as "crappy" as "Spider-Man 3" I'd be satisfied.

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

NO NO NO !

anyway haden church mentioned the original other villain in the sm3 commentary again.
he changed it a little from the article i mentioned before.

this time he said the actor was the polar opposite of Topher, before he said it was a villain the complete opposite of venom.

anyway he said the villain was to be Vulture and would be played by
Ben Kingsley.

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

They're going to "scale back" to include "only two villains." LOL

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Hey, considering Sam Raimi had been making "Sinister Six" comments...

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Glad to hear about the focus on character, and the hiring of Vanderbilt. Zodiac remains one of my favorite films of the year.

Also, read on SciFiWire that the film is targeted for 2009. They'll have to make choices about casting, director, etc. pretty quickly in that case.

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If the studio is targeting a summer '09 launch, than I think its safe to assume that the villains have already been decided on, as well as if Raimi is going to direct or just serve as one of the producers. To make a summer '09 date the movie would have to start shooting this spring.

The studio may also have a clearer picture as to if Tobey Maguire is going to return or not. At this point, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Sony recast the leading roles (Peter and MJ) to keep costs down. If a recast does happen, whoever gets the job will ink a three-picture deal. Maguire is looking at a $25-$35 million payday for #4 should he return. Kirsten Dunst would be getting something in the area of $10-$12 million, but her return seems the least likely of the three.

With Sony spending so much on Raimi, Maguire, and Dunst for #3 (rumored to be in the neighborhood of $40-$50 million combined for the three not counting their backend deals), Sony may opt to go cheaper and lock up two lesser known (and much cheaper) performers for the next trilogy of movies. From everything I've heard, Raimi is the only one of the three that Sony is more than willing to fork over big bucks to.

In my opinion, if the studio hires another director, another actor will likely be donning the Spidey costume for the next set of movies. Along with a new leading lady. I could be way off and everyone will come back for the next one, especially considering how well the movie did overseas (earning more than $550 million internationally, making it the biggest worldwide performer of the series with its $891 million haul).

After all, its about that all mighty bottom line.

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I'm curious to see what direction the studio would take the story for a fourth film should Tobey Maguire or Sam Raimi not return. Would it be a new re-imagining? Would it continue the same Peter Parker established in the first three films? Or would it be a loose continuation to the previous films ala. Batman Forever.

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

"Batman Forever" had direct references to the previous movies and two actors returning to play recurring characters.

I lot of people hate the Schumacher films, I know I do, but what I don't agree with is when those people try to separate them from the Burton films.

Continuity wasn't even really a big issue when Burton did his. He has some crazy insecurity about making sequels and remakes and with both "Batman Forever" and "Planet of the Apes" he made a bunch of excuses as to why they weren't a sequel and a remake, respectively. There were early scripts that were more direct continuations of the previous film but he justified making a "non-sequel" by not making it reliant on the first film. People also make a big deal out of the big stylistic differences that occurred when Schumacher came on board but you have to acknowledge that "Returns" is also stylistically very different than "Batman".

So yeah, "Batman Forever" only carries on that tradition (though it does begin the tradition of crappiness).

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

The only actor I care about is JK Simmons...seriously.

I don't even care about Raimi anymore.

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I'd really like to see PP recast. Tobey's kind of hard to look at. I just saw 3 for the first time, and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but there are things I hope can be dropped as the series progresses. Peter being messed with in college, for example. He lost the "nerd" thing pretty quickly. That was a sour note from 2 as well: when he had trouble with the mops, and when he was hit in the head after dropping his books. That was laying things on a bit thick, and I'm glad it was mostly toned down for 3. Having it gone for good in 4 would be nice.

I think they should and will follow the established continuity of the three existing films. Things haven't sunk so low that the whole thing needs to be rebooted like with Batman Begins. And, things were left with enough ambiguity that it can go in any direction--ie, Peter and MJ haven't married and gotten permanently tied to one another. Only the Osborns would be a problem, and in the comic book world, they could return if it was desired. I don't think it'll be so bad having a movie without Harry, though.

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

Currently, things are pointing to the roles of both Peter Parker and MJ being recast for the next trilogy of movies. Raimi has also sounded as if he's more interested in a role as one of the producers rather than director.

The studio has decided on which villain(s) will appear in the next movie and casting decisions (i.e. whether or not Maguire and Dunst will return) will be decided "soon". The current status of the strike (and upcoming strike) means that the movie probably won't hit theaters until 2010.

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

Weren't they talking about Morlun as the villain at one point? That seems a tad crazy, since the dude is ultra-new in terms of the comic geology scale, and he's barely known inside comic circles, much less outside.

I love Spidey's rogues' gallery, but I can't think of one I'd like to see next. Probably the Lizard, since they've had Doc Connors from the start. It's good that they've basically moved beyond Norman Osborn, unlike the Superman movies with Lex every time. Now, it's time to move away from the shadow of Norman Osborn.

I think the best idea, to get some villains out of the way, would be to open with Spider-Man battling with someone like the Rhino, and then let that be the end of the Rhino. That would give him some screentime, while not making him part of the big plot. Maybe even have him battle a villain here or there in the middle of the film. Maybe he's on his way to stop the main plot and has to tangle with Electro. Anything to make it seem like he lives in the Marvel Universe. That's one of the problems with shared universe comic movies. The characters always seem like they exist by themselves. I don't get any sense from Spider-Man that the Avengers or the Fantastic Four are out there somewhere. A line or two would help in that regard.

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

I thought the rumoured villains were the Lizard and Carnage. ANything can change I guess since the original villain for "Spider-Man 3" instead of Venom was going to be the Vulture.

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Id bet on Electro and The Lizard in the next one.

The Lizard,if done right,could certainly fit in with the character driven comments. Alot of peopel wanted him for the third film. Hes a villian fans want to see.

And I think Simmons will return. His part is usually small and he wont cost much and it will be a familiar face from the previous trilogy. Ditto for Rose Harris.

My guess is they will make try to get Tobey back. His salary will be alot but like said earlier the last film grossed 890 mil. I think theyll make a attempt.

I dont think Dunst will be back. I wouldnt mind seeing Bryce Howard come back and slowly developing a relationship over more than one film. Since Parkers
love problems were so much a part of the previous trilogy I wouldnt mind it taking a back seat.

And Carnage... ugh. I hope not. Focus should be on the Lizard and a tormented Dr Conners IMHO.

re: Spider-Man 4: May 6th, 2011

I didn't think Venom was all that well-realized. It sounded bizarre to hear Grace's voice come out of him. It should have been more growly, or something. Don't need another symbiote.