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I'd say that the Celine Dion song is a hindrance that the rest of the soundtrack overcame. But, yeah, the Celine Dion song is why it sold millions of copies and why it's on the list.

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This list was put together by the Dixie Chicks right? must of been. It's the only explanation.

I only have 67 of the 200 "must own" albums of all time. I must be slipping. Personally I don't think any album should qualify for a "best of all time" list until it is at least 10 years old or more, maybe even 15.

Hell Freezes Over is on there but no Desperado? best album ever. IMHO

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Why did they bother tossing in a few token jazz, country and R&B albums in a list for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? What's the point? To make the list seem more musically credible?

The list is a combination of common sense and absolute hysteria, just like pretty much every other list of this type.

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I'm amazed that nobody else seemed to notice this. . .you seem to be under the impression that Metallica (AKA the Black Album) was Metallica's FIRST album. It was their FIFTH album (6th if you count the EP Garage Days Re-Revisited), and inferior to all that preceded it.

One could make a good case for their third album, Master Of Puppets, as the greatest heavy metal album of all time. It is absolute genius.


The reason people are bitter about the Black Album is that it marked a major change to a more commercial sound just as they were gaining mainstream acceptance with their earlier thrash style. The songs aren't so bad, they're just very different from what long-time Metallica fans were used to. And the follow-up, Load, was even further away from the traditional Metallica sound. It's not the simple fact that it sold more copies than their earlier work that bothered people so much; it's that it signified the end of Metallica as Metallica fans knew them.

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I just have to share my wonderment at a Shania Twain album beating Who's Next.

Any "rock" list that doesn't have Who's Next in the top 10 may not even be worthy of wasting time laughing at.

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umm, I used to be a huge Metallica fan when I was a teenager, I even spent $30 on a used copy of Garage Days at a record show back when I was 16. When I said "the other two albums haven't been able to hold on as well", I was referring to Load and St. Anger, two other albums that were widely scorned by the Metallica fans upon immediate release. But Load and St. Anger both ended up dying off pretty quickly after they stopped promoting them, The Black Album has become an institution like Back In Black (which I know isn't AC/DC's debut) and Dark Side Of The Moon (which I know isn't Pink Floyd's debut) that has become considered a classic and new fans every year immediately spring for that album because of it's mythic proportions at this point. Load and St. Anger don't have that appeal, and yes I know Metallica's done more than three albums, I was citing the three that the fans rip on.

You speak as if Metallica were somewhat obscure before 1991, as if And Justice For All wasn't all over the place in 88-89 with the "One" video all over MTV. I find it offensive that you spin words into my mouth that I said Black Album was their debut when anyone who watched MTV in 1989 knew that it definately wasn't the case. Plus, I've followed Billboard religiously for almost 20 years, why would I automatically not realize that Metallica charted five albums on Billboard's album chart before "Metallica"? We're not talking Nirvana or somebody who were on indies before the big breakthrough.

(who wants to bet this won't be responded to, lol)

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Well it was compiled by the R & R Hall Of Fame AND the National Association of Recording Merchandisers so I guess titles were chosen due to a mixture of sales and respectability. Some fit more into one category than the other.

Still going by sales I would of thought albums like Supertramp's Breakfast In America would of been on there. That album was all over the place in 1979.

Only 3 Beatles and 1 Steely Dan?

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I do? How exactly did you get that from the phrase "as they were gaining mainstream acceptance with their earlier thrash style?"


I didn't "spin" anything. Your exact words were "there's something Black has that the other two albums Metallica's done haven't." In my language, English, that implies that Metallica has done exactly 3 albums. I think you might have wanted a "since" in there (as in "the other two albums Metallica's done since").


Gee, I must've missed the section of your post where you mentioned watching MTV in 1989 and following Billboard for 20 years.


Try writing what you mean and reading what I write and snippy responses won't be necessary.

But seriously, sorry if my post came across the wrong way. My honest impression was simply that you were probably a lot younger than you are because of the way you phrased that one sentence.

Ah, Internet communication. It's misinterpretastic!

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My Beefs:

Tool LATERALUS instead of AENIMA ?

Not all Led Zeppelin albums listed? :-(

The Metallica debate is absurd -- BLACK definitely doesn't compare to Master of Puppets or ...And Justice For All

Live - Throwing Copper should be top 10

No Offpring albums? Americana was a classic album!