Movies not on DVD caught in 'rights hell' - Page 4

Thanks so much!

I recently had the opportunity to ask Richard Thomas as to why RED SKY AT MORNING has never been released on DVD.

He sais there is a music rights issue that he doubts will ever be resolved:-(

I wonder what? All I remember is a score and a few Andrews Sisters tunes.

I'd have thought that LAST SUMMER, which has lots of beach scenes "scored" to ambient radio (and a broadcast apparently done for the film; it's credited), would have been as great a headache as RED SKY's rights, and maybe it was, but it's being prepped for the Warner Archive now. 

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I wonder what? All I remember is a score and a few Andrews Sisters tunes.

 

I'd have thought that LAST SUMMER, which has lots of beach scenes "scored" to ambient radio (and a broadcast apparently done for the film; it's credited), would have been as great a headache as RED SKY's rights, and maybe it was, but it's being prepped for the Warner Archive now. 

I think that is the difference between the way Warner's thinks and Universal thinks.  Warner works hard to solve what ever problems there are with the rights, while other companies like Universal believes that their is just to much work involved.  The difference between a company that respects it library and one that does not understand it. 
 

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Originally Posted by Bob Cashill 

I wonder what? All I remember is a score and a few Andrews Sisters tunes.

 

I'd have thought that LAST SUMMER, which has lots of beach scenes "scored" to ambient radio (and a broadcast apparently done for the film; it's credited), would have been as great a headache as RED SKY's rights, and maybe it was, but it's being prepped for the Warner Archive now. 

I think that is the difference between the way Warner's thinks and Universal thinks.  Warner works hard to solve what ever problems there are with the rights, while other companies like Universal believes that their is just to much work involved.  The difference between a company that respects it library and one that does not understand it. 
 

Well, to Universal's credit, they did sort out the rights to "The Cat and The Canary", so they haven't been avoiding it entirely.

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Originally Posted by ahollis 

 

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Originally Posted by Bob Cashill 

I wonder what? All I remember is a score and a few Andrews Sisters tunes.

 

I'd have thought that LAST SUMMER, which has lots of beach scenes "scored" to ambient radio (and a broadcast apparently done for the film; it's credited), would have been as great a headache as RED SKY's rights, and maybe it was, but it's being prepped for the Warner Archive now. 

I think that is the difference between the way Warner's thinks and Universal thinks.  Warner works hard to solve what ever problems there are with the rights, while other companies like Universal believes that their is just to much work involved.  The difference between a company that respects it library and one that does not understand it. 
 

Well, to Universal's credit, they did sort out the rights to "The Cat and The Canary", so they haven't been avoiding it entirely.

I'm not sure that was a rights problem as much as Universal just being lazy in releasing it.  When the title came out it was also with two other titles that did not have problems.  I asked about Cat & Canary four years ago on HTF, before I purchased the UK disc and was told there were no problems with it here, just needed to be released. 

I am thankful for what Universal releases through TCM, MOD and commercial, but they could do a much better job and start believing in what they own.  Whenever lists are made of films people want, especially horror, the list is just about always Universal titles they own.  Surely The Uninvited and Island of Lost Souls is not tied up in rights hell are they?  Or maybe they are!
 

There are certain films not available on dvd because of incomplete versions:  THEY WON'T BELIEVE ME, RACHEL AND THE STRANGER, ACROSS THE WIDE MISSOURI, SILVER RIVER, Curtiz's THE SEA WOLF?   Anybody know the status of these?  Or RAINTREE COUNTY and THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS???    Anyone?  Anyone?  PS:  Great news about NIGHT FLIGHT!!

Regarding the Sea Wolf, there was a question on WAC's facebook page - sometime last year:

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There are certain films not available on dvd because of incomplete versions:  THEY WON'T BELIEVE ME, RACHEL AND THE STRANGER, ACROSS THE WIDE MISSOURI, SILVER RIVER, Curtiz's THE SEA WOLF?   Anybody know the status of these?  Or RAINTREE COUNTY and THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS???    Anyone?  Anyone?  PS:  Great news about NIGHT FLIGHT!!

What's the problem with RACHEL AND THE STRANGER.  I still have a laser disc of the film and it appears on TCM about once a year.  THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS will appear on DVD when Warner's thinks the time is right, but only in the cut version and we will never see the original version.  RAINTREE COUNTY needs a lot of work on the Roadshow Version, but none of the elements are lost and I still expect it to appear. 
 

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I'm not sure that was a rights problem as much as Universal just being lazy in releasing it.  When the title came out it was also with two other titles that did not have problems.  I asked about Cat & Canary four years ago on HTF, before I purchased the UK disc and was told there were no problems with it here, just needed to be released. 

 

I am thankful for what Universal releases through TCM, MOD and commercial, but they could do a much better job and start believing in what they own.  Whenever lists are made of films people want, especially horror, the list is just about always Universal titles they own.  Surely The Uninvited and Island of Lost Souls is not tied up in rights hell are they?  Or maybe they are!
 

Actually, Tom Weaver said over at the Classic Horror Film Board that he had suspected that the problem with The Cat and the Canary had to do with the current owner of the rights to the play and that was confirmed by some people he knows at Universal.  In addition, I suspect that the Bob Hope film Nothing but the Truth also had some rights issues that were resolved by Universal as it was based on a play, and Amazon has a listing for a VHS of that title from Universal that apparently never was released (i.e., I think they planned to release it on VHS but it was cancelled due to rights issues).  I also would not be surprised in the Bing Crosby/W.C. Fields title Mississippi had rights issues Universal cleared.  Universal catalog titles had a great year in 2010.  I am hoping for more in 2011.  The Uninvited will almost certainly be released (by TCM if not Universal).  As has been discussed here and elsewhere, Island of Lost Souls has print quality issues and I am more concerned about that one.
 

The UK print of RACHEL AND THE STRANGER runs 12 minutes longer.  Particularly odd is the omission of the "restored" TALES OF MANHATTAN from dvd (the W.C. Fields episode was on the VHS).  Is Fox "squeamish" about the Paul Robeson episode in a Disney/SONG OF THE SOUTH sort of way?  TCM has been serving the 75th anniversary better than Fox Classic Movies....particularly this month.

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The UK print of RACHEL AND THE STRANGER runs 12 minutes longer.  Particularly odd is the omission of the "restored" TALES OF MANHATTAN from dvd (the W.C. Fields episode was on the VHS).  Is Fox "squeamish" about the Paul Robeson episode in a Disney/SONG OF THE SOUTH sort of way?  TCM has been serving the 75th anniversary better than Fox Classic Movies....particularly this month.

So is there a problem with Warner's use of a UK print?  That doesn't sound like a rights issue.

As far as Tales of Manhattan, Fox just is not releasing anything.  Unless they can add 100 other titles to a collection and throw in one or two never released DVD's to entice collectors to spend $200 on a bunch of titles they already own just to get that elusive one. I don't think they are "squeamish" since we have most of the Shirley Temple's, all available Fox Charlie Chan's and all of the Mr. Moto's and those films have caused problems as recent as six years ago.
 

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Actually, Tom Weaver said over at the Classic Horror Film Board that he had suspected that the problem with The Cat and the Canary had to do with the current owner of the rights to the play and that was confirmed by some people he knows at Universal.  In addition, I suspect that the Bob Hope film Nothing but the Truth also had some rights issues that were resolved by Universal as it was based on a play, and Amazon has a listing for a VHS of that title from Universal that apparently never was released (i.e., I think they planned to release it on VHS but it was cancelled due to rights issues).  I also would not be surprised in the Bing Crosby/W.C. Fields title Mississippi had rights issues Universal cleared.  Universal catalog titles had a great year in 2010.  I am hoping for more in 2011.  The Uninvited will almost certainly be released (by TCM if not Universal).  As has been discussed here and elsewhere, Island of Lost Souls has print quality issues and I am more concerned about that one.
 

Thanks for the clarification on those titles.  Another film that Universal did rescue from rights's hell was It Ain't Hay.  So I will give them credit, but they are still a little behind Warner's and Sony in releasing older favorites that are not tighted up in rights problems. 
 

It would seem that Selznick's multiple versions of The Wild Heart (aka Gone to Earth) would be a shoo-in for Criterion to release.  The original Michael Powell version is available on R2 and it's gorgeous, essential Powell.  The Mamoulian reedit is exactly the academic comparitive analysis that Criterion does so well.  Who now owns the Selznick films?  Anchor Bay, MGM, ABC, Fox, Sony?

THE JOKER IS WILD is a Holy Grail for Sinatra fans.  Other Sinatras MIA: ASSAULT ON THE QUEEN (TCM showed a nice LBX of it a couple of weeks ago), COME BLOW YOUR OWN, THE NAKED RUNNER, DIRTY DINGUS MAGEE, MEET DANNY WILSON, JOHNNY CONCHO, SHIP AHOY!

We can also add "The Fixer" to the list.  It seems the movie is caught in some "clearance issues" regarding distribution.

Well, The Fixer is available in Spain (along with the missing in action The Devils) so it appears the rights problem doesn't extend to Europe.

I don't know if this is a rights issue, but what's up with Seconds?  Paramount DVD's long out of print (of course).

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It would seem that Selznick's multiple versions of The Wild Heart (aka Gone to Earth) would be a shoo-in for Criterion to release.  The original Michael Powell version is available on R2 and it's gorgeous, essential Powell.  The Mamoulian reedit is exactly the academic comparitive analysis that Criterion does so well.  Who now owns the Selznick films?  Anchor Bay, MGM, ABC, Fox, Sony?

The Selznick films have been owned by ABC since around 1966 for the specific use on ABC Sunday Night At The Movies so they should be controlled by Disney, but Disney choose not to deal with them on a Home Entertainment level (Miramax) and leased those rights to MGM around 2005 after their agreement with Anchor Bay expired.  MGM has done very little with the titles except for the well-known ones, such as REBECA, SPELLBOUND, I'LL BE SEEING YOU and DUEL IN THE SUN and that was just a bare-bones release.

However, THE WILD HEART was not a part of the package that ABC purchased.  As you know it was a co-production between The Vanguard Company (Selznick) and The Archers, which bad blood with Selznick's "interference" caused several lawsuits.  RKO released the film in the US, so Warner's may still have the US rights as their successor or Studio Canal might control all the rights since they own British Lion which released the film in the UK under  the GONE TO EARTH title.  Most of the Archer titles, I believe ended up with Rank, and if this one did then Criterion would be a great home for it.

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I don't know if this is a rights issue, but what's up with Seconds?  Paramount DVD's long out of print (of course).

I think it is just a Paramount thing and not a rights issue.  There are so many OOP Paramount titles that you could fill well, but course GREASE, FUNNY FACE, and BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S would not be in that well with their 100 or so re-releases.