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post #121 of 153
6/12/09 at 3:54am

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Originally Posted by todd s
It's been updated and they say its all BS.

i doubt that it is all b.s.

sommers may not have gotten fired but i believe that something happened.

i will probably end up going to see this on opening day anyway. at a minimum i will enjoy the crowd response.

after seeing terminator i have greatly lowered my already low expectations for this film.
post #122 of 153
6/12/09 at 4:05am

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i just watched that trailer in 1080p on my flatscreen. lol. i hope they clean up the special efx before 8/7.
post #123 of 153
6/12/09 at 4:55am

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As someone that grew up living and breathing the RAH toys in the 80s, this movie looks like complete garbage. You replace the great looking hooded Cobra Commander with a clear plastic looking squid mask. The Joes are running around in suits like Halo or Robocop. And you have ninjas in trench coats and sneakers. Awesome!!

It reminds me of Stealth and will prolly perform just the same.
post #124 of 153
6/12/09 at 5:45am

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I have to agree with you there, Shawn.

I grew up with the Sunbow cartoon and the Marvel comics. I had about a hundred figures and played with them through most of my childhood.

With that said, the trailer (and everything leading up to it) couldn't be more disappointing. It isn't the G.I. Joe I grew up with, which sucks since they're using the characters from that era in the film.

It looks like this was thrown togeter without any respect for the source material (and before anyone gets cynical about this being a toyline, the Marvel comics were MUCH more than that) and, as a result, I really want it to tank.

I'll definitely see this movie, but not in theaters.
post #125 of 153
6/12/09 at 6:16am

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Ths scuttlebutt is that the story was more true than false (though the hyperbole was overblown). Sommers was brought back because the film a) couldn't really be salvaged and b) it is his movie, let him take the blame (fall guy). Apparently, this is not much of a secret in La-La land. This is second and third hand info, so make of it what you will.

A strike script, a hack director - I'll see this via Netflix in November or December, purely for the car wreck aspect. It is too bad, because GI Joe was my favorite toy and comic as a youth. My first comic was GI Joe 25 in 1984. I collected from 1981 through the late 80's. I love GI Joe.
post #126 of 153
6/12/09 at 6:18am

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Originally Posted by MattFini
It looks like this was thrown togeter without any respect for the source material (and before anyone gets cynical about this being a toyline, the Marvel comics were MUCH more than that)

Yeah, the comics were generally excellent. Larry Hama was a Vietnam vet and he used his military experience to inform his writing of the book, so despite all the crazy characters and toy vehicles it was often a gritty if still family-friendly series (he also wrote all the file cards on the back of the toy packages - for all intents and purposes, he's the primary creator of most of those characters). From what I've read, they've got Hama as a consultant on the film but the only thing I know he's done for the film is that he dissuaded them from having Snake Eyes spout a one-liner at the end. He's been very diplomatic about the script but I can't help feeling that if they'd just hired him to write it, he wouldn't have gotten "accelerator suits" involved
post #127 of 153
6/12/09 at 6:41am

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Originally Posted by MattFini
It looks like this was thrown togeter without any respect for the source material (and before anyone gets cynical about this being a toyline, the Marvel comics were MUCH more than that)
The comics aren't the source material though. The source material is the cartoon and the toys. I loved both of those when I was young but the reality is that the cartoon was just a 30 minute commercial for the toys. The comics (which I've never read but have heard are good) were apparently able to take the cartoon's story and make something good with it. From the looks of the movie though, they haven't added or elevated the material to make something good out of the cartoon.
post #128 of 153
6/12/09 at 7:04am

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Originally Posted by TravisR
The comics aren't the source material though. The source material is the cartoon and the toys. I loved both of those when I was young but the reality is that the cartoon was just a 30 minute commercial for the toys. The comics (which I've never read but have heard are good) were apparently able to take the cartoon's story and make something good with it. From the looks of the movie though, they haven't added or elevated the material to make something good out of the cartoon.

Even so ... I'd be happy if I could at least recognize some familiar elements from the cartoon. I just can't fathom why they'd bother to make a movie out of this property and then introduce something as LAME LAME LAME as accelerator suits into the fray.

I DO like Sienna Miller's look as Baroness, but the fact that they left her accent off is annoying. Ditto Destro being seen without his mask. I have heard that he wears it at some point in the movie, but the fact that he doesn't have it on the whole time is a bummer. That is the character's greatest characteristic.
post #129 of 153
6/12/09 at 8:57am

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Originally Posted by TravisR
The comics aren't the source material though. The source material is the cartoon and the toys. I loved both of those when I was young but the reality is that the cartoon was just a 30 minute commercial for the toys. The comics (which I've never read but have heard are good) were apparently able to take the cartoon's story and make something good with it.

Actually the three threads were intertwined. The comics predated the cartoon, and a lot of the characters introduced in the comics were eventually made into toys and cartoon characters (e.g., Storm Shadow). From the other end, characters from the cartoon (e.g., Serpentor) were made into toys and then foisted into the comics (IMO, these creations are generally the weakest of the bunch because of the cartoon's broader, more comedic vibe).
post #130 of 153
6/12/09 at 2:01pm

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Originally Posted by Chuck Mayer
My first comic was GI Joe 25 in 1984. I collected from 1981 through the late 80's. I love GI Joe.

My favorite comic of all time is probably GIJoe 26. The comic shop was at the mall, and I sat in the food court reading it immediately after buying it. I carried that comic everywhere I went for a month. Snake-Eyes' secrets being revealed! For a kid, it was the coolest thing ever.

Why they wouldn't use the comic book as a blueprint is beyond me. Everything you could ever need is right there.
post #131 of 153
6/12/09 at 5:52pm

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^ That was a great issue and I remember it fondly.

I was also partial to the arc involving Cobra Commander's son. CC was actually my favorite character back in the day because his backstory was so freakin' compelling.

Just another thing I'm bummed that the movie is TOTALLY changing. Although, I could deal with the altered origin if CC looked cool. His design for the movie? Christ.
post #132 of 153
6/12/09 at 6:56pm

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Yeah, Billy was great. Didn't it turn out that CC was the one who killed Snake's family when driving drunk, and Billy was injured in the same crash? Or, maybe it was separate incidents.
post #133 of 153
6/13/09 at 8:02pm

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I just hope Sgt.Slaughter is in the film....



post #134 of 153
6/15/09 at 6:33am

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Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
Yeah, Billy was great. Didn't it turn out that CC was the one who killed Snake's family when driving drunk, and Billy was injured in the same crash? Or, maybe it was separate incidents.

the day snake eyes came home from vietnam his family was coming to pick him up and cc's brother was driving on the same road drunk and hit them head on, cc always blamed snake eyes for it.

billy lost his eye and his leg fleeing springfield with candy (ripcords g/f who had just gotten away from the dreadnock buzzer) in a station wagon with a guy that was spicing his coffee with rum. This is after stormshadow rescued billy from cobras court and started training him. Buzzer and scrap iron were chasing after them and the soft master saw that they were gonna shoot them with a missle after they just missed hitting a train. so he threw his body in front of the first missle and then scrap iron shot another one into the car supposedly killing candy and billy.
post #135 of 153
6/15/09 at 2:14pm

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I sort of remember that. I think it was in the 30s-numbered issues. A balloon clown girl was somehow involved too, I think. It's been a long time. But, I remember CC taking care of Billy and trying to go good (and sporting a pony tail and I think that heavy armor that the toy company was selling at the time) about 20 issues later, and being shot by Fred.

It's all kind of jumbled up. I stopped reading right before the big Snake-Eyes reveal in the 90s-numbered issues and had a tough time tracking those down later. Snake-Eyes was cool and mysterious like Wolverine, and I don't think they spoiled him as much by revealing everything. But, it's been a while. And now they've started over.
post #136 of 153
6/16/09 at 6:31am

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candy was the girl in the bear suit, it was the cover her dad had (the balloon birthday bear or something) as a crimson guard. and those were between like issues 30 and 45. 50 was serpentor and the evac of springfield that cobra commander and destro got lost in and went civy for a while and thats when they found billy in a hospital and a crimson guard named fred 7 i think who had made the battle armor suit.

needless to say i grew up on the toys and the comics(i have a lot of the single issues, sporadic 1-30 and almost full fun from 30 to 120 and then sporadic again up to the end, i do have the trades that have 1-50 though, i wish they had done the full run as trade paperbacks).
although my friend was the one that got all the toys. he was the gijoe toys and i got all the star wars.
post #137 of 153
8/1/09 at 10:27am
Biggest film of the year is nearly here, are we all excited yet? [sniggers]

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ANDREWS AIR FORCE BASE, Md. — The G.I. Joe cast sure knows how to make an entrance.

Stars Channing Tatum, Sienna Miller, Marlon Wayans and Rachel Nichols arrived at a special military screening of their movie Friday night sticking out of the tops of Humvees.

They arrived to about 300 screaming fans who stood in line the good part of two hours to see them, while another 400 people sat inside the theater anxious to see the potential summer blockbuster. The premiere was held for military families and included a special audience of wounded veterans from Walter Reed Medical Center, who sat right on the red carpet.

The group has been on a whirlwind, worldwide tour promoting the film in Tokyo, Seoul, Berlin and London, and director Stephen Sommers says they've been well-received everywhere.

"All around the world, people seem to think I have the perfect cast. It came together wonderfully," Sommers said.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-08-01-GI-joe-premiere_N.htm

I wonder if it'll do as well as that other big summer toy movie which has grossed over $800m so far. Looking forward to reading Variety's review, but will critics get the chance to review the film before it opens?

post #138 of 153
8/1/09 at 11:33am

What is there to snigger about? What exactly are people expecting with movies like this? Deep character studies? It is based on a shitty, badly done Saturday morning cartoon property. The fact is that this film will have paper thin plot and characters because the original property it is based on was paper thin as well. Transformers is just another example of the same thing: paper thin base material being stretched into a live action film medium. I can't see how anyone could expect this kind of material to be made into a film that becomes rated as a classic or even just very good. This type of material just lends itself into being made into a film that contains copious amounts of action eye-candy and goofy bullshit. Before we start sniggering, we should wait and see if Sommers actually can pull off at least a coherent storyline: something that Michael Bay, sadly, was unable to do in the almost completely incoherent Transformers 2 movie.

post #139 of 153
8/1/09 at 11:49am
Fargin' hell what's got you so angry Edwin me lad? Got out of bed on the wrong side this morning have we? Do you think Spielberg could have made a critically acclaimed movie out of GI Joe? Paul Verhoeven? Actually I would love to have seen Verhoeven direct this movie. Calm down... it's only a movie. And I had no problem following that other toy movie, the good robots won didn't they?
post #140 of 153
8/1/09 at 12:29pm
Look, the comic book ain't Shakespeare, but if this movie was based on *that*, yes, it could be a genuinely good movie in the right hands.  I would assume just about anything could be good in the right hands.  Clue is much, much better than it has a right to be, seeing as it's based on a board game.  And, the first Pirates was based on a ride (didn't like the sequels, however). 
post #141 of 153
8/1/09 at 1:48pm
Van Helsing
The Mummy Returns
Deep Rising
Scorpion King 2
Scoprion King
The Mummy: tomb of dragon emperor

Nuff said about Sommers.  You should burn your DVD collection if one of thse movies is in it.

post #142 of 153
8/1/09 at 2:26pm
I should burn a collection of thousands of DVDs because I own those films? A bit extreme isn't it?  I didn't really like the Scorpion King films, were they Sommers too? I've seen and bought far worse films believe me. GI Joe can be awful and still be entertaining, no? And after GI Joe has come and gone you... guys are going to pick on some other movie, 2012 maybe? And by spewing bile stop others from posting in the 2012 thread, just like you're doing in this and the Transformers thread? Hmmm?
post #143 of 153
8/1/09 at 3:31pm
I'm looking forward to G.I. Joe. While I'm not much into the brainless action movies these days, the previews look like fun. Completely over the top, cartoon, stuff gets blowed up good, fun.

So I'm hoping for a good time with an adequate story to propel the action.

Edited by DaveF - 8/2/2009 at 02:28 am GMT
post #144 of 153
8/1/09 at 4:32pm
Thank you Dave! For a while I thought this area of the forum had been completely overrun by "haters", a useful term I've recently come across in another thread. Dave's not stupid he knows the film could well be frontrunner for next years Razzies, but he has an open mind and willing to give it a chance. Good or bad the film should have plenty of over-the-top action and weaponry, boys and girls in snazzy combat uniforms, silly quips and well it can't be as bad as Jonathan Frakes Thunderbirds movie surely?
post #145 of 153
8/1/09 at 4:42pm
Syndicated cartoon property actually. Ran five days a week. It never aired on Saturday mornings. Probably couldn't have with all the violence, bloodless as it was.

I get a good nostalgic laugh when Robot Chicken revisits the series.

I haven't been jazzed up to see much else besides Star Trek this summer, but this looks like it might be fun.

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What is there to snigger about? What exactly are people expecting with movies like this? Deep character studies? It is based on a shitty, badly done Saturday morning cartoon property. The fact is that this film will have paper thin plot and characters because the original property it is based on was paper thin as well. Transformers is just another example of the same thing: paper thin base material being stretched into a live action film medium. I can't see how anyone could expect this kind of material to be made into a film that becomes rated as a classic or even just very good. This type of material just lends itself into being made into a film that contains copious amounts of action eye-candy and goofy bullshit. Before we start sniggering, we should wait and see if Sommers actually can pull off at least a coherent storyline: something that Michael Bay, sadly, was unable to do in the almost completely incoherent Transformers 2 movie.



post #146 of 153
8/1/09 at 5:34pm
@ Steve Christou

Sorry if my post came across as angry. I wasn't angry when I posted that. I just meant to say that I think a lot of people are expecting too much of these films. It is almost like every film has to have "deep" themes and "deep" characters. It is like a film cannot  just be a relatively brainless entertainment and still be considered good.

Regarding Frakes's "Thunderbirds". I think Frakes didn't get that the original "Thunderbirds" series was actually relatively well written. I think he thought it was just another dumb kids show and played to that angle. I sure I'll get disagreement, but in a lot of respects the writers on "Thunderbirds" wrote as if they were doing scripts for a live action series. It was just that the live actors were replaced with puppets. The characters, dialogue and situations in "Thunderbirds" were relatively realistic, considering that it was a children's series. If a comparison is made between the writing on "Thunderbirds", "Captain Scarlet", etc. and any Saturday Morning cartoon like G.I. Joe then there is no comparison. The writing on "T-birds" is far better than that found on any Saturday Morning series from the '70s and '80s. 

To tell the truth, I think the Brit series of kids shows didn't talk down to kids. I can't say the same for a lot of American TV cartoon series.   
post #147 of 153
8/1/09 at 5:47pm


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Syndicated cartoon property actually. Ran five days a week. It never aired on Saturday mornings. Probably couldn't have with all the violence, bloodless as it was.

I get a good nostalgic laugh when Robot Chicken revisits the series.

I haven't been jazzed up to see much else besides Star Trek this summer, but this looks like it might be fun.

 



 


Was it syndicated? I was sure that it showed in the Saturday morning block of TV cartoons, up here. I have to admit I only saw sporadic episodes, as I generally disliked any of the stuff like She-Ra, Masters of The Universe, etc. I guess growing up on well-animated stuff like Looney Tunes and Disney shorts and films just ruined me for the TV tripe that Hanna-Barbera and its ilk pumped out. Frankly, TV animation was never any good until Disney and Warner Bros. raised the quality bar with series like "Tale Spin", "Tiny Toon Adventures", etc.

I should qualify that last statement by mentioning that H-B's "Flintstones" series is the sole exception when it comes to early TV animation. The animation was basically crap but the writing made up for it.......at least in the early years. The series started to decline when Pebbles and Bam-Bam showed up and the show reached its nadir with the arrival of the Great Gazoo. The Flintstones completed its transition to a children's show with the arrival of the Green One.
post #148 of 153
8/2/09 at 10:02am


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I should burn a collection of thousands of DVDs because I own those films? A bit extreme isn't it?  I didn't really like the Scorpion King films, were they Sommers too? I've seen and bought far worse films believe me. GI Joe can be awful and still be entertaining, no? And after GI Joe has come and gone you... guys are going to pick on some other movie, 2012 maybe? And by spewing bile stop others from posting in the 2012 thread, just like you're doing in this and the Transformers thread? Hmmm?
 


I was joking.  I like bad movies too, I even like transformers.  However, IMHO, this guy almost never, if ever, makes a decent movie for me.  There are a lot of bad movies out there that I rewatch, but the only Sommers movie I've ever watched more than once is the Mummy.  He might get lucky, but his track record for me personally isn't good. 

But unlike all the transformers haters out there, I don't go see the movie in the first couple days of release then come to the boards and talk about how I knew the movie was going to suck, yet went and paid my $10 bucks on opening day.  I'll just wait for this one on HBO.

post #149 of 153
8/2/09 at 2:47pm
You're probably right Edwin, about seeing the series on Saturday mornings where you are. It didn't occur to me that G.I. Joe could have been shown outside the U.S. because of it's American flavor.

I recall at least one talking head on tv last year blasting the filmmakers for dropping the "A real Amercian Hero" tagline.
post #150 of 153
8/2/09 at 5:52pm
This movie looks like a lot of fun and even though I loathe everything Sommers has ever done other than The Mummy I actually think G.I. Joe could be good. We shall see.
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