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post #1 of 88
3/4/07 at 5:05pm
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Okay so I am watching it and It's interesting so far. Hoshi sure is cute
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post #2 of 88
3/5/07 at 3:00am

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Under No circumstances view the final episode These Are The Voyages when you watch the entire series. You WILL regret it.
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post #3 of 88
3/5/07 at 6:50am

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You might regret it either way since it was a complete Misfire for a series Finale, everything in S4 up to that point was great thou.
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post #4 of 88
3/5/07 at 7:57am
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Thanks guys. I wasn't even sure there was a series Finale. I never watched Enterprise when it ran. In fact, I never really watched anything but TOS til I bought each series season as a completion issue
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post #5 of 88
3/5/07 at 11:53am

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I was really surprised with Enterprise. I didn't watch it when it was on, either. Well, the first episode and I didn't really care for it so I stopped watching. I wasn't even going to buy it on DVD, but then Paramount announced that Star Trek: The Animated Series was coming to DVD so jsut to have the entire Star Trek library, I bought Enterprise.

The first season was a little shakey. Second season seemed to get better. By the third season (my personal favorite season) I was hooked.

Like everyone else, I thought the series finale was a total misfire.
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post #6 of 88
3/5/07 at 12:55pm

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Now that they're doing the "young Kirk and Spock" movie (due out Christmas 2008), I'm kinda hoping they throw in a few Enterprise nods. A Scott Bakula cameo as an old Admiral Archer would be cool.
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post #7 of 88
3/5/07 at 3:27pm
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The Enterprise theme Song is kinda awkward though. All of the other series' had instrumentals only. I think I liked it better that way
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post #8 of 88
3/5/07 at 5:05pm

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Originally Posted by Craig Beam
Now that they're doing the "young Kirk and Spock" movie (due out Christmas 2008), I'm kinda hoping they throw in a few Enterprise nods. A Scott Bakula cameo as an old Admiral Archer would be cool.
According to the biographical display seen in one of Enterprise's last episodes, writer Mike Sussman wrote a section of text which states that Archer "...died at his home in upstate New York in the year 2245, exactly one day after attending the christening ceremony of the first Federation Starship Enterprise, NCC-1701."

Whether or not this is carried over is up in the air, but it's possible; Archer was born in the year 2112, and him living just up to the time of Robert April is interesting.

Also, agree wholeheartedly that you should skip "These Are The Voyages..." at all costs. That episode can damage your cerebellum, and causes breast cancer in passing Chihuahuas.

The rest of Season 4, however, is stunning; Manny Coto bringing Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens onboard as executive story editors was a stroke of genius, and for ten or twelve years prior to that point was something I'd long stated should've taken place.

Too bad Braga and Berman had to cock it all up at the very end.
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post #9 of 88
3/5/07 at 10:27pm

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I watched the show when it originally aired and always had a kind of "take it or leave it" attitude. Season four was a true revelation for the show, as it at last cashed in on some of the prequel goodness that comes from being part of the Star Trek universe. I have been watching the re-runs in syndication on sci-fi channel and may have under-estimated the series. I do have to agree with othe posters about the last episode (calling it a series finale is a little too grandiose.) To me, the show will always be the fourth best live action star trek series of all time.
1) TOS
2) DS9
3) TNG
4) ENTERPRISE
5) VOY
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post #10 of 88
3/5/07 at 10:39pm

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They never should have gone backward (just like the upcoming movie). Prequels are usually a bad idea and this show reinforces that.
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post #11 of 88
3/6/07 at 7:08am

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Originally Posted by John*Wells
The Enterprise theme Song is kinda awkward though. All of the other series' had instrumentals only. I think I liked it better that way

The song grew on me until they decided to "kick it up"

The final episode made almost no sense at all, they would have been better off without it.
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post #12 of 88
3/7/07 at 9:22am

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IMO, you have to watch the final episode. It serves as a brutal reminder to fans that they should have kept their mouths shut. We'll probably never know what was planned for the next 3 years.

Ok, it can serve as a reminder to studios too - to not listen to the complaints. There wil probably never be another Star Trek series because of what happened.

Glenn
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post #13 of 88
3/7/07 at 9:50am

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Glenn- Are you suggesting that there was a lot of fans who wanted to see the Generations of the Star Trek series combined, ie: the visiting characters who appear in the finale?

I'm not sure I understand your meaning, or that I agree with that. I thought the whole thing was Berman and Braga's idea as a "Valentine to the fans". I do agree the finale was brutal to watch.
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post #14 of 88
3/7/07 at 2:41pm

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It was not so much an "Enterprise" finale as it was a grand finale for ALL of the Star Trek episodes. They didn't need to put it in, but because they did, it came across to me as a message.

A 40 year run on one premise cannot be matched anywhere, (soaps don't count - not in prime time! ) - and it looks like no one will ever attempt anything like that again. That's the sad part.

Glenn
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post #15 of 88
3/8/07 at 4:28pm

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Originally Posted by david_hu
Under No circumstances view the final episode These Are The Voyages when you watch the entire series. You WILL regret it.
The same could be said for any number of Enterprise episodes. New viewers should be hesitant aboud viewing much of season one and most of season two also.

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post #16 of 88
3/8/07 at 8:32pm

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There's going to be a new book that disputes the events of the Enterprise finale:

http://trekmovie.com/2007/03/07/new-...-trek-history/
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post #17 of 88
3/8/07 at 10:28pm

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Originally Posted by Sam Favate
There's going to be a new book that disputes the events of the Enterprise finale:

http://trekmovie.com/2007/03/07/new-...-trek-history/


These kind of books are well and good for the die-hard Trek fan (of which I number myself) but anything in these novels is not part of Star Trek "canon" so until it is seen, or referred to, on screen it never really happened. It is a shame though as Season 4 of Enterprise seemed on the brink of mid-series greatness much like TNG and DS9.
I think you have to give the creators a bit of a pass on the Enterprtise "finale" as it was hastily improvised due to the uncertain future of the show. TNG's finale was pretty good, but was pre-planned and scripted as the series had announced it was ending. DS9's swan-song (also produced with plenty of time to script) was a cheesy clip show that really demonstrated the tired 7th season of a Trek show that was past its prime. Voyager's finale was action packed and somewhat entertaining and was like its predecessors in the pre-determined seventh and final season. And what about TOS? Do we judge it by its last episode?
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post #18 of 88
3/9/07 at 2:06am

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DS9's swan-song (also produced with plenty of time to script) was a cheesy clip show that really demonstrated the tired 7th season of a Trek show that was past its prime.

??

What on earth are you talking about?!

The two-hour final episode of DS9 ("What You Leave Behind") contained less than 60 seconds of "clips". The rest dealt with the end of the Dominion War, Sisko fulfilling his destiny as the Emissary, and the wrap-up of a multitude of seven year character arcs. I would put it right up there with TNG's "All Good Things ..." as one of the best final episodes to a Star Trek series ever. (And BTW, far from being "past its prime", this series could have easily utilized another 26 episodes to properly wrap everything up.)

Here's some ("spoiler free") excerpts from Jamahl Epsicokhan's review that pretty much sums up the way I feel regarding the ep:
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DS9's final episode is an emotional, eventful story that covers ground like there's no tomorrow--because there is no tomorrow. Here's an episode that must end a war, tie up numerous threads, and essentially close the book on every recurring DS9 character in existence--not an easy task. I dare say they pulled it off very well.

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So, aside from the sentimental qualities, you ask, was "What You Leave Behind" any good? Well, as I switch into review mode here, I must say the answer is a definite "yes." The thing that has been both DS9's best quality and at the same time the source for its biggest drawbacks is that there's so much ambition behind the stories that the final outcomes can't always live up to the vast layers of depth and subtlety the creators seem to promise. It's a strange two-edged sword that works both for and against the series, and one can see the phenomenon in operation here. (Of course, I've usually argued that the strengths of this policy have by far outweighed the weaknesses, and I will be arguing that case again here.)
"What You Leave Behind" is the final outcome of the huge arc we've had for the past eight weeks. But more than that, it's also the final outcome of the Dominion War we've had for the past two years. But, more than that, it's also the final payoff for character paths we've had for years before that: Sisko as the Emissary, Dukat as the major adversary, Winn as the schemer of Bajor, Odo as the rogue Changeling, Kira as the heroic freedom fighter, Garak as the exiled Cardassian, and the Founders as the paranoid aggressors of the Gamma Quadrant.

The complete review - which contains lots of spoilers - can be found here:

http://www.jammersreviews.com/ds9-7/leavebehind.php

The bottom line here is that you may need to re-asses your memory of the final episode of DS9!
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post #19 of 88
3/9/07 at 6:12am

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Originally Posted by Bryan Krantz
DS9's swan-song (also produced with plenty of time to script) was a cheesy clip show that really demonstrated the tired 7th season of a Trek show that was past its prime.

I think you need to watch that episode again. That was no clip show. What it was was a great ending to an excellent final season. DS9 Past it's prime? I don't think so. Perhaps you are thinking about 'Shades of Grey', that terrible excuse for an episode that ended TNG's second season.....now that was a clip show.

As for the Enterprise finale.....I refuse to acknowledge it's existence.
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post #20 of 88
3/9/07 at 3:04pm

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A 40 year run on one premise cannot be matched anywhere...

Except maybe England. What about Doctor Who...?

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Okay so I am watching it and It's interesting so far. Hoshi sure is cute.

Wait 'til you see her in the final season's "Mirror, Mirror"-based episode!
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post #21 of 88
3/10/07 at 12:24am

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Ok, maybe you can just jump from Enterprise's penultimate episode to the final scene of These are the voyages.. and skip the first 38 minutes. And in the interests of your mental health, don't go asking..but why is he and she from.... there? Just don't ask!!
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post #22 of 88
3/12/07 at 1:14pm

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Count me in as another incredibly confused reader of Bryan's assessment that the series finale of DS9 was a cheesy clip show of a tired seventh season of a show that was past its prime. The only truth in that entire statement is that it was, in fact a series finale, it was the seventh season and DS9 was a show. That's about it. The seventh season may very well have been DS9's best, certainly the final 10 episode story arc that wrapped everything up. Clip show? Ridiculous.
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post #23 of 88
3/12/07 at 4:57pm
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Sisko fulfilled his Destiny as the Emissary How is that a clipshow?
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post #24 of 88
3/13/07 at 10:10pm

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Originally Posted by Glenn Overholt
It was not so much an "Enterprise" finale as it was a grand finale for ALL of the Star Trek episodes. They didn't need to put it in, but because they did, it came across to me as a message.

A 40 year run on one premise cannot be matched anywhere, (soaps don't count - not in prime time! ) - and it looks like no one will ever attempt anything like that again. That's the sad part.

Glenn

A Grand finale for ALL Episodes!??!! ? If that was their idea of thanking fans for 40 years of watching all the Trek shows, they sure had a nice way of showing it.
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post #25 of 88
3/14/07 at 10:09am

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I didn't say it was a 'good' grand finale. I think it was more of a "Well, this is what happens when you complain too much" ending. These fans not only screwed 'Enterprise' but any other ideas they might have had. Another - oops - moment.

Glenn
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post #26 of 88
3/14/07 at 11:44am

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Can someone post an Enterprise finale synopsis in spoiler text for someone (like me) who gave up on Enterprise after the first season. I am curious to know how it ended that has casued so much controversy.
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post #27 of 88
3/14/07 at 2:46pm

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Here's the synopsis: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
It's not exactly how it ended, it was the way it was presented. We learn in the teaser that the episode takes place on the Holodeck of Enterprise D with Riker and Deanna looking at the events aboard the NX-01. Riker has a problem to resolve and looking at the recreation of the last voyage of the NX-01 was his way to figure it out. And on top of that, the problem are the events in the TNG Episode "The Pegasis" where Admiral Pressman comes on board the Enterprise to retrieve a Federation cloaking device he was developing secretly that shows up in an asteroid field. Oh, and Trip dies too.

The fans were upset because B&B use Riker and Troi to essentially hijack the episode making it a TNG episode instead of an Enterprise episode.
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post #28 of 88
3/14/07 at 2:56pm

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Can someone post an Enterprise finale synopsis in spoiler text for someone (like me) who gave up on Enterprise after the first season. I am curious to know how it ended that has casued so much controversy.



No need for a spoiler. This is an excerpt from "Jammer's" review:

"The central conceit of "These Are the Voyages" is that it's actually framed as a TNG episode (I'm tempted to call it "Pegasus 1.5") in which Commander Riker looks at a holodeck program depicting the crew of the NX-01 on their final mission before the signing of the charter that will eventually form the United Federation of Planets.

The central problem with "These Are the Voyages" is that, really, this doesn't make any emotional sense as a series finale for Enterprise. Riker looks at events in order to gain insight about himself (a recommendation from Counselor Troi), and to decide what to do about the central dilemma he faced/faces in "The Pegasus." In short, he's using the NX-01 crew as a tool to resolve a personal conflict. Wouldn't it have been better for this premise to simply look back at the NX-01 crew to study it as history, as a turning point in human society? By making the show about Riker's personal problem, the show painfully short-changes the historical context of the NX-01 crew. Granted, the historical context is a focus in the episode, but it really doesn't have much to do with William Riker (or vice versa)."



Here's a link to the complete review - which does contain lots of spoilers:

http://www.jammersreviews.com/ent-4/voyages.php

Most Enterprise fans consider the preceding episode, "Terra Prime", to be the *real* final episode of Enterprise. "These Are the Voyages ..." was really constructed to be a wrap-up for all the Star Trek TV series. As such, it mostly fails.
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post #29 of 88
3/16/07 at 9:07am

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I didn't think the finale was that terrible. Voyager's I felt was worse where the the entire series was pointed towards a single goal and we never get to see them enjoy the success of it.

And Enterprise was an okay show. I watched it all through Netflix last year and for the most part found it both enjoyable and disposeable. I doubt I'd have stayed with it if it wasn't for the franchise.
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post #30 of 88
3/25/07 at 4:14pm
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Am I Missing something?? I Completed Enterprise and I am rewatching TOS. In Enterprise, Archer and crew had a run in with the Borg. It was explained that the borg would be a future threat in the 24th Century. That explains the Borg never being mentioned or encountered in TOS. They also had a run in with the Ferengi where some Ferengi tried to steal property from Enterprise including Porthos. I don't remember any such mention of a Ferengi Threat 200 years into the future. However, the Ferengi are never mentioned or encountered in TOS. Did I miss something or did Someone on the writing Staff drop the ball ??
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