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Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

post #1 of 138
3/2/07 at 7:09am
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David B, will you be providing a review of the above title? Your Platinum reviews are always incredibly informative.
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post #2 of 138
3/2/07 at 10:20am

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

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Originally Posted by Matt Czyz
David B, will you be providing a review of the above title? Your Platinum reviews are always incredibly informative.
I'm not David, but David Boulet is not reviewing titles for the HTF anymore. I believe MattH is the current Disney reviewer.

Regards,
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post #3 of 138
3/2/07 at 10:51am

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

It seems likely that there will be some issue with the disc that sends people into a frenzy.
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post #4 of 138
3/2/07 at 11:32am
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Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

Ken,
I wasn't aware of that.
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post #5 of 138
3/2/07 at 2:11pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

Hey, Matt:

If I am sent a review copy of the new PETER PAN, I will most certainly review it, and as I have the last special edition, would love to do a comparison. However, Disney has not been forthcoming with much lately.
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post #6 of 138
3/2/07 at 3:03pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

I am making screencaps comparing all 4 video releases: 1991 Laserdisc, 1998 Laserdisc/1999 DVD [same transfer], 2002 DVD, and the 2007 DVD. I have them all ready from the prior releases. I'm just waiting on the 2007 disc to arrive to complete things.
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post #7 of 138
3/3/07 at 8:15am

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

I am curious as to whether or not this edition ports the audio commentary from the last edition, or whether, like the "Dumbo" spuper-duper-"special" edition, they have left it off.
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post #8 of 138
3/3/07 at 8:41am

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

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Originally Posted by Dick
I am curious as to whether or not this edition ports the audio commentary from the last edition, or whether, like the "Dumbo" spuper-duper-"special" edition, they have left it off.

It includes the commentary...
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post #9 of 138
3/5/07 at 7:20pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

To those who got it early... how does it look and sound? DVDTalk has a review up but they tend to be very undetailed in their reviews.

I'm afraid to buy this after that farce release of "The Little Mermaid." Thanks for any info on "Peter Pan."
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post #10 of 138
3/5/07 at 8:41pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

Here is a review of the latest release of Peter Pan from Home Theater Spot. I think that overall they like the effort Disney has put in to this release.

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsth...?sequence=1862
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post #11 of 138
3/5/07 at 9:32pm

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That's a much better sell to me on buying this release. The biggest thing I'm afraid of is the issues that "The Little Mermaid" had like the overall color inconsistancy. That is just unexcuseable for a major release like that from Disney - regardless if they plan on releasing it in the future on Bluray they still should treat SD-DVD owners with the utmost respect when it comes to a quality product. After all, they are making a LOT more money from us SD-DVD owners (and will be for a long time) than either HD disc format.
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post #12 of 138
3/6/07 at 9:48am

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

DVDFile also has a review up.
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post #13 of 138
3/6/07 at 10:18am

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Originally Posted by Daryl L
DVDFile also has a review up.

...written by: DaViD Boulet!!
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post #14 of 138
3/6/07 at 11:19am

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

Excellent! A rebuy for me and freebie "hand me down" to the sis and newphew who won't notice the difference.
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post #15 of 138
3/6/07 at 11:42am

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

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Originally Posted by streeter
...written by: DaViD Boulet!!
Who's that? Hehe, I just go look at the "Video & Audio" comments. Never actually looked at the reviewers name.

BTW: Also, UltimateDisney.com has it's review up.
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post #16 of 138
3/6/07 at 11:54am

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

Sounds fantastic! The only things missing from this release are trailers and the hour long promo Christmas special.
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post #17 of 138
3/6/07 at 12:03pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Walker
Excellent! A rebuy for me and freebie "hand me down" to the sis and newphew who won't notice the difference.
Same here. The only release I've owned is the 1999 Limited Issue release so this Platinum release has to be an improvement. Looking at the caps on DVDTalk and UltimateDVD the skintones on this Peter Pan: Platinum edition look much better than the dull, muted looking skintones on the Cinderella: Platinum release (which really bugs me) which I'm very happy about.
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post #18 of 138
3/6/07 at 12:21pm

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Well, here are screenshots from the 2007 PETER PAN SE compared to the other 3 video releases. They are in this order: 1991 Laserdisc, 1997 Laserdisc/1999 "Limited Issue" DVD [same transfer], 2002 SE DVD, and now the 2007 SE DVD.

1991 Laserdisc
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1997 Laserdisc/1999 "Limited Issue" DVD [same transfer]
16B.jpg

2002 SE DVD
16C.jpg

2007 SE DVD
16D.jpg

1991 Laserdisc
5A.jpg

1997 Laserdisc/1999 "Limited Issue" DVD [same transfer]
5B.jpg

2002 SE DVD
5C.jpg

2007 SE DVD
5D.jpg

1991 Laserdisc
13A.jpg

1997 Laserdisc/1999 "Limited Issue" DVD [same transfer]
13B.jpg

2002 SE DVD
13C.jpg

2007 SE DVD
13D.jpg

1991 Laserdisc
14A.jpg

1997 Laserdisc/1999 "Limited Issue" DVD [same transfer]
14B.jpg

2002 SE DVD
14C.jpg

2007 SE DVD
14D.jpg

1991 Laserdisc
12A.jpg

1997 Laserdisc/1999 "Limited Issue" DVD [same transfer]
12B.jpg

2002 SE DVD
12C.jpg

2007 SE DVD
12D.jpg

1991 Laserdisc
18A.jpg

1997 Laserdisc/1999 "Limited Issue" DVD [same transfer]
18B.jpg

2002 SE DVD
18C.jpg

2007 SE DVD
18D.jpg


Is it me, or is this film looking worse and worse.... Check out how the red of Hook's jacket and the red of Tinkerbell's lips (in the shot where she is glowing red and angry) was once bright and saturated and is now rather dark and muddy.
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post #19 of 138
3/6/07 at 12:38pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

We cannot judge these screenshots without without knowing more about the equipment they were produced with. The colour and greyscale of the display could be completely off.
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post #20 of 138
3/6/07 at 12:39pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

No offense, Chuck, but are you sure those screencaps are in the right order? Based on those, it appears the new 2007 transfer is markedly inferior to the 2002....
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post #21 of 138
3/6/07 at 12:48pm

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Yes, I am positive these are correct. The 2007 DVD is indeed inferior. And for the naysayers, VLC is being used for the captures - ALL of them, so any variance in contrast/brightness would be the same on ALL of them.

Put in your DVD and see for yourself.

Maybe a side-by-side comparison is better. Here are the 1991 Laserdisc and 2007 SE DVD compared side-by-side.

Am I blind, or is the gain in sharpness not worth all the drastic and disasterous color results?

91VS07_1.jpg

91VS07_2.jpg

91VS07_3.jpg

91VS07_4.jpg


How can anyone think the 2007 DVD is the best? And what is up with Disney putting out the commercials that lie showing an "unrestored" image to the left that is doctored?!
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post #22 of 138
3/6/07 at 12:51pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

Oh, and I'm on a Mac using 10.3.9 OS. I am using the default VLC settings for the captures all direct from DVD. The Laserdiscs were recorded onto DVD directly from the composite output, and those transfers were used to make these captures. NO alteration in brightness, contrast, or saturation took place at any point.
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post #23 of 138
3/6/07 at 12:53pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

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Originally Posted by Craig Beam
No offense, Chuck, but are you sure those screencaps are in the right order? Based on those, it appears the new 2007 transfer is markedly inferior to the 2002....
Setting color preferences aside, at least the 2007 is free of edge halos. The 2002 is positively chock full of them.

Regards,
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post #24 of 138
3/6/07 at 1:02pm

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I actually prefer the 2002 version to the 2007, as far as the DVD releases go.

Another 2 before-and-after screenshots with NO image alterations - 1991 Laserdisc vs. 2007 DVD

91VS07_5.jpg

This one is a frame off, but the color difference is what is striking.
91VS07_6.jpg

Oh, and here are some shots from the restoration credits at the end.
D4.jpgD6.jpgD5.jpg
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post #25 of 138
3/6/07 at 2:39pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

I hope you didn't have more than one instance of VLC open when grabbing the screencaps because it will have a negative on light level and saturation on all but the first instance. It's just UltimateDVD and DVDtalk's caps don't look as dark/dull as yours.

I agree colors of 1999/2002/2007 are less saturated than on the 1991 LD but I honestly think the light level and saturation on the 1991 is pumped to high (but looks closer to proper shades of colors) in not all but in most scenes (probably transfer from vhs?).

Atleast 2007 isn't over sharpened like 2002 and 1991/1999 was too soft. My 2007 should be here this week.
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post #26 of 138
3/6/07 at 2:45pm

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The 1991 laserdisc looks oversaturated, the 2002 has some really awful sharpening, but the 2007 DVD looks good to my eyes. The colors have a more pastel look. Although, without reference, who knows which is accurate?

Tinkerbell loses a lot of glow on the 2002 DVD. The 2007 keeps the effect really well, even with the muted color. Perhaps it's right to keep her less saturated due to the glow.
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post #27 of 138
3/6/07 at 3:35pm

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First, Ultimatedvd.com isn't a valid website. DVDTalk has some small pictures in their review, but there is no indication of from where they were acquired. Couldn't they be similarly tampered with?

Here is a small image from their site and review.
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Here is the screen capture I made from the 2007 DVD resized to match their picture.
peteradjust.jpg

What's funny is that I WANTED this DVD to be terrific, but it suffers as do all of the Lowry restorations I've seen. My units are all calibrated, and I have nothing to gain by pointing out how different this release is. The packaging on the 1997, 2002, and now the 2007 video releases all claim to be "fully restored", yet look at how different each looks? Why can't we just get a nice hi-def remaster of the restored film with a little dirt removal if needed and leave it at that? The element used for the 1991 transfer looks to be in marvelous shape. A new transfer from that without the digital overmanipulation could bring us the color AND the clarity we should all expect.
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post #28 of 138
3/6/07 at 3:37pm

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What does everyone think of the commercials that show a split-screen comparison between the "unrestored" and "restored" version of PETER PAN? Anyone else agree that they are false? The "unrestored" image certainly looks nothing like the 1991 release, and that was the first version released on video in this country, and it is the only one not claiming to be "restored"....
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post #29 of 138
3/6/07 at 6:31pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottR
Sounds fantastic! The only things missing from this release are trailers and the hour long promo Christmas special.

I wanted that Christmas special really bad -- they put the "Alice in Wonderland" Christmas show on that set ... why not the "Peter Pan" one on THIS set?

By the way, it was Christmas of 1951, over a year before the movie was released.
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post #30 of 138
3/6/07 at 8:14pm

Re: Official HTF "Peter Pan - Platinum Edition" review?

Just finished watching this....it's absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!! Wow, what a difference. Wendy's dress is finally a soft shade of blue, as opposed to going white in some shots in the previous release. Colors were vibrant, lush, and lines were bold. The only thing odd was that hair colors shifted tints a little..in some shots Wendy and Michael had reddish/brunette hair and in others it looked blondish/brown. This could have always been like this. Anyway, one of the most spectacular Disney restorations yet attempted, and a must buy!! I felt the magic had returned.
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