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Until recently, Julie Amero says, she lived the quiet life of a small-town substitute teacher, with little knowledge of computers and even less about porn. Now she is in the middle of a criminal case that hinges on the intricacies of both, and it could put her behind bars for up to 40 years. She was convicted last month of exposing seventh-grade students to pornography on her classroom computer. She contended the images were inadvertently thrust onto the screen by pornographers' unseen spyware and adware programs.
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As a network administrator I've seen plenty of weasels who will try to get away with anything they possibly can. But I've also experienced precisely what happened to Mrs. Amero. Once my wife was putting together a baseball themed party for a co-worker. She did a search for "baseball clip art". Of course, numerous hits came up and the first few she visited were perfectly normal. The final link she clicked read simply "baseball clip art"...exactly the terms she searched for. As soon as she clicked on the link the extremely graphic pop-ups began with a vengence. Many opened in such a way that the "X" to close the window was placed off of the screen. Luckily there were witnesses to the entire proceding and no children were present, but she was flabberghasted. My wife is quite an experienced computer user and when she was faced with the unwanted material she didn't know what to do. She certainly didn't consider unplugging the computer...it all happened so quickly. She was experienced enough, however, to bring up the task manager to break the loop, but the average user doesn't know anything about such procedures.

It will be a travesty if Mrs. Amero's conviction isn't overturned. Anyone who has spent a reasonable amount of time surfing the Internet has experienced unwanted pop-ups. Strangely, a computer crimes detective testifying for the prosecution stated that "You have to physically click on it to get to those sites" In my experience this is not the case. Even now with various pop-up blockers, I still see the occasional advertisement. At this very moment I have an entry in my history for a pop-up that I experienced just yesterday. On top of that, it seems that the prosecution admitted that they did not conduct a search for spyware on the computer in question. How ill-equiped must Mrs. Amero's defense lawyer be?
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That's crazy. I walked in on a monday morning, turned on my PC here at the station, clicked the icon for my browser and immediately it opened to a porn page and about 5 porn popups. It happens.

The guy who said she "should've thrown a coat over it"? Pleez! The woman paniced and did what most people would do, try to close the windows. But the intrusive nature of some (but not all) porn sites can have this crap thrown at you no matter how hard you try to remove it. If anything this should show that the teacher was niave about porn sites and everything that happened was an accident.

Go to jail for 40 years over this? That's insane.
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My initial rection was - what the heck kind of a country is it where accidentally, or even deliberately for that matter, showing images of naked people to kids can get you 40 years - 40 YEARS - in prison?

You could probably kidnap and rape said kids and probably get a lesser sentence than 40 years. Well... maybe not, but seriously. 40 years? Oh boy does the US justice system need an overhaul.

I'm not saying it's a good idea to show graphic pornography to children, but those children can see any amount of pornography they want in todays society with very little effort indeed. The vast majority of them probably have computers with internet connections at home, and chances are pretty good that they can surf unsupervised. If that is the case then they probably can't avoid seeing porn online even if they don't actively seek it out.

I agree with Paul that it would be a travesty if the conviction isn't overturned. When that happened in 2004, the pop-up problem was completely out of hand, and they admit the computer wasn't patched - it didn't even have an updated antivirus - to say nothing of popup blockers. Those pop-up storms have happened to me at least once (admittedly a few years back before I was routinely using Privoxy to filter web content, but still) and it momentarily flustered even me to have windows popping up all over the place. Considering that in my day-to-day work I help maintain 100+ unix servers, assist in maintaining many dozens of Windows workstations and am, to say the least, very computer literate, it is totally probable that a non-computer-enthusiast like this substitute teacher would be panicking when a "pop-up storm" like that hit.

40 years for popups. Ye flipping Gods. No wonder the US has 25% of the worlds prison population while having only 5% of the total world population...
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When my son was 9 he did a search for the Cartoon Network. He spelled it with 2 "T"s in stead of 1. Luckily I turned off the monitor before all the images loaded. Since then we have been using CyberSitter. It is not perfect, but works well enough that I don't worry about him having a computer in his bedroom.
40 yrs is crazy with how aggressive those sites are.

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No wonder the US has 25% of the worlds prison population while having only 5% of the total world population...
And this is the "land of the free"
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Something tells me that there's a lot more going on in this case than the article actually told us....
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Obviously there is something more then what was stated in the article, that something is complete incompetence on behalf of the prosecution.
I'm no lawyer but come on, when someone faces up to 40(!) years in prison there should be nothing missing in the investigation.

Not checking the computer for spyware/adware is completely ridiculous, as this was not done there's reason to belive that they didn't check for programs that remotely can take control of a computer either.
There was clearly neglect by the school itself too, outdated security products is more than enough to allow an incident like this to happen.

Heck, with the virus community being what it is just one or two day old virus definitions is enough to cause infection by hundreds of new viruses.

And I've seen my fair share of porn popups on non-porn websites, fact is that most people seem to get these from time to time and more often then not they are NOT visiting porn sites when getting these.
Too bad she seemed to get a jury of her peers, that is people with little to no knowledge in computers and malware/virus of any sort.

Sure she freaked out and could have unplugged the computer, but with strict orders not to turn it off combined with obvious lack on knowledge in computers I can understand why she didn't.
In fact, anyone having worked in tech support (like myself) will know that many might not even click ok after an update or similar "in fear of breaking their computer".
Anything other than an overturned conviction would be a joke, then again even the possibility of 40 years in jail for this offence (should it had been on purpose) is laughable and pathetic.
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