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post #91 of 152
2/19/07 at 11:30pm

Re: More hints at Star Wars 30th Anniversary DVD set?

And every single change that's made to
John Williams' original score
Is a humiliating kick in the crotch!

/Police
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post #92 of 152
2/20/07 at 1:22am

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Yessir! A crotch-kicking indeed! *snicker*
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post #93 of 152
2/20/07 at 8:03am

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Originally Posted by Brad M
Well, Carrie won't hit her 80's until the year 2036. You have a long wait you sick bastard.

Brad that was wrong! You destroyed a beautiful image

Poor Tony, now he is missing his 3rd eye. Well at least he's not kicking himself in the crotch this time.
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post #94 of 152
2/20/07 at 9:53am

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
It's just a musical continuity issue - the Imperial March is heard in every film except episode 4, which is understandable but against Lucas' attempts to link all six films as one chronological story.

Exactly.

And I happen to think the scoring fits reasonably well with the scene in ANH. We have the Imperial March anouncing Vader's arrival (which has been done countless times through out the films), the Battle of the Heroes theme playing with Obi-Wan and Vader dueling which is a rematch from ROTS. And the score punctuating when R2 and 3P0 leave is very reminiscant of ESB when the droids escape from Cloud City. These are the "rhyming scenes" which Lucas describes when making the PT films.

Of course I believe the Obi-Wan Vader duel should be redone with new stunt actors and CGI, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
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post #95 of 152
2/20/07 at 4:31pm

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Originally Posted by Richard Kim
Of course I believe the Obi-Wan Vader duel should be redone with new stunt actors and CGI, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

Despite that battle being the least exciting - mainly because it featured an elderly man fighting a weightlifter who probably couldn't see very well in the mask - if the FX guys would finally fix Obi-Wan's short circuiting lightsaber (fixed partially on the DVDs, but it's still flickering out) it should be fine.

However the lack of skill both characters show in their fighting is even more obvious when seeing both of them fight in episode 3, and Vader fight in episode 5.
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post #96 of 152
2/20/07 at 6:08pm

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Richard, it's called the Imperial MARCH. The scene you placed it in is a reveal. It may work for you, but it doesn't fit the scene. In fact, I would say that your changes completely ruin the scene. The reason the scene is so well done is that Williams put in a big bass drum and cymbal motif to signify that Darth Vader was there, and then it's just silence........except for the steady hum of Vaders already ignited saber. And then we get that great Vader voice saying "I've been waiting for you Obi-Wan". "The circle is now complete, when I left you I was but the learner now I am the master". Then Obi-Wan says "Only a master of evil Darth" and we get that great first (that any of us had ever heard) lightsaber clash.

I guess I just don't understand why you would think a lot of fast music and fast clashes with sabres make for a better scene. They don't. It's like the fight in The Matrix Reloaded where Neo is fighting Seraph in the "test" duel. They are just hitting each others hands and kicking each others feet in a coordinated dance. It's not a fight. There is no drama. I'm not a big Fight Club fan, I think it's a decent, fun movie, but when Edward Norton punches Brad Pitt for the first time it's hard not to wince. It looks like a real punch. There is some reality behind things. Some drama.

The duel in Episode III looks like they are trying to hit each others sabers. It's hard to believe that they are actually trying to kill each other. It's like a dance, not a fight. But if that's what you like......
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post #97 of 152
2/20/07 at 6:31pm

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In 1997, when Darth appears, you could hear a pin drop in the theater. Then, the music comes back only when Ben sacrifices himself. (spoiler!) More music would ruin it. Also doesn't Vader say "your powers are weak old man" ? Why would the fight be any faster? Just saying.
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post #98 of 152
2/20/07 at 7:01pm

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For pure continuity, Vader is clumsy in ANH, and a subtle, graceful swordmaster in Empire. Yoda was an OLD Jedi but was fast as hell when he fought, and being human, Obi-Wan could have been faster.

Again based only on continuity, not 'coolness' factor, not the limitations of the actors involved, not the technological limitations.

I think ANH is fine as it is with regards to music and that fight. Except for the short circuiting blue lightsaber. I do have one issue with the film, and it has nothing to do with Greedo or anything altered from the original.
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post #99 of 152
2/20/07 at 8:00pm

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Here's a look at the Making Of book mentioned a page or two ago:

http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/b...220/index.html

Good looking stuff!
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post #100 of 152
2/20/07 at 9:37pm

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Thanks for that link, Travis. That book is so "must have" for me it's not even funny.
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post #101 of 152
2/20/07 at 10:25pm

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Originally Posted by Eric Gripp
Richard, it's called the Imperial MARCH. The scene you placed it in is a reveal. It may work for you, but it doesn't fit the scene. In fact, I would say that your changes completely ruin the scene. The reason the scene is so well done is that Williams put in a big bass drum and cymbal motif to signify that Darth Vader was there, and then it's just silence........except for the steady hum of Vaders already ignited saber.
Exactly- in that scene, the silence is more powerful than music. I'm sure that John Williams would have written music for that scene if he felt it was necessary. Why does every second of film have to be packed to the gills with stuff? In this case, less is more.
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Originally Posted by TravisR
Here's a look at the Making Of book mentioned a page or two ago:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iv/b...220/index.html
Good looking stuff!
Great! Thanks for that. I pre-ordered my copy yesterday from Amazon. I love rare photographs and I can't wait to see all the previously unpublished photos that will be in the book. I'm looking forward to this book a lot more than the next set of revised DVDs that Lucasfilm LTD will probably be churning out this year.
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post #102 of 152
2/20/07 at 11:39pm

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I don't think the duel needs to be rescored with the Imperial March, but definitely the boarding of the Rebel Blockade Runner, the shots of the Star Destroyer leaving Tatooine and arriving at the Death Star, the Death Star arriving in the Alderaan system, etc.
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post #103 of 152
2/21/07 at 6:17am

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX
I don't think the duel needs to be rescored with the Imperial March, but definitely the boarding of the Rebel Blockade Runner, the shots of the Star Destroyer leaving Tatooine and arriving at the Death Star, the Death Star arriving in the Alderaan system, etc.

I'm really torn about this. On the one hand, the score to Episode IV is pretty damn perfect in its own right and to listen to as a symphonic score (and is by far my favourite soundtrack of all time), yet on the other hand the lack of Imperial March moments now stand out when viewing the whole six-part saga.

I don't think there needs to be any complete rescoring, but there are a couple of key moments where weaving some of the Imperial March into the existing score (at the same tempo) could work:
  • Vader boarding the Blockade Runner - after he steps through the doorway, there are a few seconds of near silence as he looks around
  • During Obi-Wan's "he betrayed and murdered your father" bit, a few notes of the March could underscore the Darth Vader theme it replaced
  • When Leia is brought before Tarkin, during her "holding Vader's leash" bit (it's unscored at the start of the scene)
  • The arrival of the Death Star at Yavin is also unscored.
I'd be against rescoring the Star Destroyer leaving Tatooine and arriving at the Death Star, as the music played here is the Death Star theme (the former use hinting where they're going, the latter use revealing it). I also think that scoring the duel in its entirety wouldn't fit the action, but a couple of Imperial March moments as Vader says "when I left you I was just the learner" and later taunts Obi-Wan ("your powers are weak, old man") might work pretty well.
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post #104 of 152
2/21/07 at 7:22am

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Martin
For pure continuity, Vader is clumsy in ANH, and a subtle, graceful swordmaster in Empire. Yoda was an OLD Jedi but was fast as hell when he fought, and being human, Obi-Wan could have been faster.

Which is why I believe the Obi-Wan Vader duel should be redone to keep it up to speed with the ESB/ROTJ duels (which are perfectly acceptable to me, it's just the ANH duel that doesn't hold up). Vader is a powerful force in those films, but is pretty stiff in ANH.

I also agree with Jonathan's placements of the Imperial March in ANH.
I would also add a hint of the Imperial March when Vader orders the TIE pilots to board their ships during the Battle of Yavin.
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post #105 of 152
2/21/07 at 8:08am

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I thought the only thing coming out for the 30th anniversary was the original trilogy in 3D?
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post #106 of 152
2/21/07 at 9:50am

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Originally Posted by KyleC
I thought the only thing coming out for the 30th anniversary was the original trilogy in 3D?


Theaters aren't equipped to show the new 3D technology yet so I'd imagine it's on hold for a few more years.
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post #107 of 152
2/21/07 at 9:54am

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With all this talk about the music, one change I liked about Empire was that they restored all the variations of the Imperial March to the Star Destroyer establishing shots, rather than keeping the same looped one used for those shots in the original version.
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post #108 of 152
2/21/07 at 10:01am

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so the only way to get the original 1977, 1980, and 1983 film versions is to buy this 30th Anniversary box set, right?

If I go to Circuit City or someplace, and buy Star Wars, it will not be original, but the George Lucas patented "improved version?"
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post #109 of 152
2/21/07 at 10:17am

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The original, unaltered versions of the STAR WARS films are available on the two-disc 2006 DVD releases. Disc one of each contains the revised "special edition" while disc two contains the original theatrical version. Though touted as "limited editions," these DVDs should still be pretty easy to find in the store.

Nobody really knows what will be included in the 30th Anniversary release.
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post #110 of 152
2/21/07 at 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by Carl Fink
The original, unaltered versions of the STAR WARS films are available on the two-disc 2006 DVD releases.

In the latest non-anamorphic format.

Hi-tech or what?.....
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post #111 of 152
2/21/07 at 1:55pm

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I've always said that Episode III should have had the original Imperial Motif in it as opposed to The Imperial March as a good way to link the trilogies musically. That way the middle two movies share a theme for what is, at the time, a new empire.

Plus it keeps Vader's theme only a hint here or there until it gets totally blown out in Episode V, which is Vader's real coming out party.

Instead, Williams chose to use Imperial March. I dunno. If you're gonna retcon (and in Star Wars, you're gonna retcon) I say re-jigger Revenge of the Sith's score to include the original Imperial Motif, and leave ANH's score alone.
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post #112 of 152
2/21/07 at 2:08pm

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Originally Posted by Robert Anthony
If you're gonna retcon (and in Star Wars, you're gonna retcon) I say re-jigger Revenge of the Sith's score to include the original Imperial Motif, and leave ANH's score alone.

Actually it would make much more sense to replace the Imperial March at the end of Attack Of The Clones - it fits with your idea of a 'new' empire being seen for the first time. The end of that film is devoted to that idea.
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post #113 of 152
2/22/07 at 11:23pm

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Originally Posted by buttmunker
so the only way to get the original 1977, 1980, and 1983 film versions is to buy this 30th Anniversary box set, right?

If I go to Circuit City or someplace, and buy Star Wars, it will not be original, but the George Lucas patented "improved version?"
I've recently seen copies of the now "out of print" '77/'80/'83 2-disc versions at K-Mart and Circuit City, but failing that you can also get them from Amazon which still has all three movies:

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Epis...?ie=UTF8&s=dvd
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Epis...?ie=UTF8&s=dvd
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Epis...?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

The Special Editions are included in the 2-disc sets as well (but yeah, unfortunately the original versions are non-anamorphic).
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post #114 of 152
2/23/07 at 12:05am

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13.78 at walmart
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post #115 of 152
2/23/07 at 11:02am

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Jonathan Kaye, you hit the nail(s) on the head. Those scenes are exactly where I was thinking some rescoring would be possible. Good work, sir!
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post #116 of 152
2/23/07 at 12:42pm

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From thedigitalbits.com:

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Well... we've got some new info that may crash your Astro droid's OS. And no, we aren't out punking Padawans with this.

You know that mega-bombad 9-disc Ultimate Star Wars Saga box set that Lucasfilm's been working on for a few years now? The one that they'd planned to release later this year to celebrate the 30th Anniversary? Yeah... maybe not so much anymore. We've been hearing from multiple sources now that the folks up at Lucasfilm were so surprised at the lackluster sales of last year's Star Wars Trilogy DVD re-run ("Now with Han shoots first!") that they're afraid they might have gone to the Sarlacc Pit one too many times, so to speak. There's talk that the box set might get delayed a year or two to amp up demand for the films on disc again.

I just don't get those folks up at Lucasburg anymore. They release the same DVDs we all already own last year and try to pull the "Hey, we're doing you all a favor by giving you the special non-anamorphic, zero-effort original versions as a bonus item!" and then they're actually flummoxed when they don't sell. Word to the unwise: They didn't sell because they were crap, and because everyone is waiting for the damn box set. Duh!

Interestingly, New York Comic Con kicks off today, but it doesn't look like the Steve Sansweet dog and pony show is going to be there, or I'd say that people should raise the box set question with him. Hey... Stephen Colbert's going to be there in a couple hours though (3PM Eastern), so somebody ask him if we're ever going to get a Tek Jansen DVD.

Anyway, WonderCon happens in a couple weeks up in San Francisco, but I don't see that Lucasfilm will be there either. Probably the first place we'll get the real skinny straight from the minions will be at Star Wars Celebration IV here in L.A. in May. We'll see.

Ugh. I hate being the guy who has to bring you frustrating Star Wars DVD news, but it seems like it happens EVERY damn year. Please don't Force choke the messenger. I'm feeling a bit like Captain Needa these days...

Of course you know, many Bothans died to bring you this information.


lol Well, whatever. Seriously, whatever. I've never in my life taken Star Wars-related news such as this with so much utter indifference. If they release it, fine. I'll probably buy it. Otherwise, thanks for saving me some green, George. Maybe in 1-2 years time it'll be out on Blu-ray Disc saving me a dip.
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post #117 of 152
2/23/07 at 4:21pm

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So that box didn't sell well? Then our boycott worked! Yaaaayyyyyy!
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post #118 of 152
2/23/07 at 4:59pm

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I don't who Bill's sources at "The Ranch" are, but no way in hell are they gonna miss the opportunity to announce a big box set at Celebration IV just in time for a tie-in with The Force Unleashed game in November. Besides, in 2 years it will be time for a Blu-Ray release and they won't sell near as many copies on standard-def DVD as they would by bringing out this year. They may have been frustrated with the lackluster OT sales last year, but I still don't believe that will keep them from releasing the box set this year.
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post #119 of 152
2/23/07 at 5:20pm

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Lucasfilm's not passing up on the 30th Anniversary to sell the films yet again(don't have anything against that, mind you. I'm a Special Edition guy)...only this time, it'll be the first time the films come as one. No way he passes this opportunity up.

It's just too good to.
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post #120 of 152
2/23/07 at 7:01pm

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I just don't see it as that good an opportunity. The hardcore fans may spring again if there's something to differentiate it from past releases, but I don't think the average DVD buyer is going to be enticed again. You could even say, "A much improved transfer, and fixed audio"--a claim I'm sure Lucasfilm would never make anyway--and most people would say, "Eh, what I have is good enough." I think Star Wars is pretty thoroughly milked by this point, which Bill's source seems to confirm.
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