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As to the outcome of the interview itself... well it is a bit anticlimactic to be honest. A hundred titles is good, and 40-50 titles in the first half is great (I feared they'd save everything till the last quarter). But considering they have only seven titles released or announced in the January-April timeframe, well, they better get cracking.

Agreed. It was actually frustrating. We talked about a lot of great upcoming content, I waited for the official release that they said they would be coming out and I was very disapointed with what they released, compared to what I know they have available. I am leaning hard on them to officially provide additional titles in the next few days or allow me to unofficially disclose specific titles that you have asked about.
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can you ask them about other arnold S movies like twins and stuff?
thanks,

Jacob
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FWIW... I haven't bought into a Hi-Def format yet because I don't have the money to invest in something that still seems very much up in the air to me. Until this is settled, I'm not biting. For me, content is key, much more important than any other factor. And that means that if I buy into only one of the two formats, I'm automatically screwed to a certain degree. If I buy HD-DVD, I'm getting a bunch of titles from some studios, but missing some from others; same for Blu-Ray. I find that to be completely unacceptable, and until that's resolved, I'm not buying anything.

With that in mind, combo discs are absolutely useless to me. It would be one thing if there was one hi-def format; then a combo disc might be attractive, the key word there being "might". If there was a guarantee that the combo disc I bought now would be good on my DVD player today, and compatible with whatever HD equipment I buy in two, three, four, five years, that might be an incentive. But there's no such guarantee that the winner will be HD-DVD. Also, the discs are priced higher than regular DVDs... and there's no way I'm spending anything extra on a disc that may or may not be useful to me in the future.

Even though it's not a Universal title, the "Superman Returns" combo is a perfect example of why something that potentially might be of interest to me ultimately wasn't. I loved the film, and it's definitely the kind of movie that would be among the first I'd want for a new format. But the 2 disc standard DVD release of the film had some great special features I was really interested in. They're on the combo, sure, but only on the HD-DVD side. So even if I bought the combo disc, I wouldn't have access to the material that made me want to own the title in the first place! So essentially, I'd be paying twice as much for something that would essentially be a bare-bones release that may or may not be of value to me in the future.

No thanks.

Even though I'm not in the HD market yet, I feel that my opinion as an SD owner should be worth something to these studios. The only way I'd buy one of their combos was if it carried the same price as the the regular DVD, AND the same features as the regular DVD playable on SD players. I'm completely against discontinuing standard DVDs and only putting out combo discs for us SD owners. If they do that, I'll rent the discs but I won't buy.

IF I was an HD consumer, I can't see why I'd want to pay extra for a combo. Let's say I did keep a regular DVD player in the house...it still wouldn't be worth paying extra for an HD disc just so I could possibly watch it on a regular player.

On top of all of that, I'm extremely wary of anything that's a duel or combo format thingy. The music industry tried this with their horrible DualDisc releases which gave me nothing but trouble and had the added bonus of costing more. Much like it seems with these HD combo discs, one side had what I wanted, and one side was basically useless. And I'm sorry, but I just don't trust these combo things. Maybe they work fine right now...but are they going to start falling apart in a couple years?

I really wish the studios would have put their effort into coming up with ONE HD format and making that as good as it could possibly be, and as cheap as possible. All of these combo things that seem to be designed to make me more likely to purchase HD are having the opposite effect on me.

Surely I can't be alone in this.
post #64 of 264

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No, no, no, no, no, NO!

90% combo discs? no way. no sale no how.

Why in the world would I pay extra to buy something I already have? and if I don't have it then I DON"T WANT IT!

Seriously, I have hundreds of SD-DVDs that I am looking forward to upgrade, why would I want to buy them again? Make no mistake, that is what it is.

If I have an HD-DVD player and am buying the HD-DVD I DO NOT want the SD-DVD. don't tell me it's so I can play it in the car. I am sure less than 10% of the people buying these are going "youpi now I can bring this in th car or the other room with a regular player". And in my case I likely already have the SD version so I don't need a send.

and I HATE flippers. They are ugly (and yes I know we watch the movie no the disc but you know what, sometimes I do just sit there and admire good disc and cover art) and inconvenient. They get dirty on one side or the other. for sure. we need a safe side. anyone ever rent a flipper of anything? at least one side is scratched and dirty.

I have one single combo disc, American Werewolf in london. I just really wanted it and did not have the SD version anymore. I loved watching the movie but I realized now that I have the HD version that other side is totaly useless to me. I hate paying for things I don't use.

And make no mistake YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT. Even if they keep the combo disc price at the price of the non-combo it just means it could have been even cheaper if it was not a combo. It COSTS more to make a combo disc and guess who that cost gets passed on to. YOU AND ME.

So no way for me. I am very disappointed and I will be paying the price I know by depriving myself of HD discs. It was hard to pass on Land Of The Dead and other Combos but I know now I can do it. It might take years but I will wait for the non-combo double-dip. I know it's coming.

I might be a minority on this but I am standing my ground. Mummy and Hulk HD: YOUPI! But I will not re-buy American Pie, Conan, scarface etc in SD even if it is stuck on the other side of an HD disc.

IF they can do 2 discs, one SD one HD then I might be persuaded (if at the same price) so I can actually store them separately maybe. But no combo.

I think best thing would be separate release SD, HD and and mail in rebate if you buy both.

DEATH TO THE COMBO/FLIPPER DISC!
post #65 of 264

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Since Universal is the biggest (and arguably the only "major") exclusive HD DVD studio, they're going to be raising the average price of discs that you can't get elsewhere in HD (see also: Fox).

Exclsive support of one format has no relation to pricing. Since the same studio would be responsible for releasing both formats if they chose, they could set the pricing identical accross both formats... it's not like some other company is releasing one version to force competition.

It just so happens that WB, who is dual-format, is releasing affordable HD discs because they've ALWAYS championed affordable software. They were also the lowest-priced DVD studio and pushed for their snapper case for years to try to save a few more cents on each pressing.

It also happens that Fox, Disney, and Universal, which happen to be exlusive studios, have also always charged top-dollar for their DVD titles and apparently feel like charging top-dollar for HD titles as well.

But with the same studio producing dual-format releases on dual-released titles, there's no added competition there since the same studio controls pricing for both formats.


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DEATH TO THE COMBO/FLIPPER DISC!

Agreed. While I'm not opposed to the idea of a DVD/HD combo disc in principle, the practice that necessitates dual-sided discs for full-capacity replication really bothers me. I HATE double-sided disc software!
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"90% combo"

Oh the humanity!
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Originally Posted by Dan Harding
You do realize that there is another possibility...

2. Halt release of SD-DVDs entirely, releasing ALL material as combos.

I wonder why they have not begun doing this already? Seems to be a no-brainer. Of course, it would require alot of work to ensure that they had HD copies of all of their releases available.

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Originally Posted by Shawn Perron
There is no way they can ever replace the standard DVD with combo discs. There would just be too much confusion by the uninformed consumers as they put the discs into thier DVD players wrong wide up and they refuse to play. The lettering on the disc hubs is unacceptably small and would cause problems for those with sight problems. Atleast with a standard 2 sided disc both sides will play in the players. Those that do not understand may think the discs defective.
This is where Toshiba and Universal should get together. Now to have a single sided disk with both HD and SD on it, that would be the perfect compromise.

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Originally Posted by Rolando
Even if they keep the combo disc price at the price of the non-combo it just means it could have been even cheaper if it was not a combo. It COSTS more to make a combo disc and guess who that cost gets passed on to. YOU AND ME.
Just how do you pay more if they keep the price the same. If all they released were Combo disks, it would mean they would have less packaging cost, les material costs. It could be cheaper in the long run. By the way, I also do not much like disks with product on both sides, but I will buy them if it is a movie I want.
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Originally Posted by Bradley-E
Re: Spielberg. They are not going to say anything in advance about titles. Those titles will be treated with kid gloves and will have individual press releases. I'm better we will have E.T. this Fall based on the fact it is the films 25th Aniversary. But that is just a hunch on my part. Also, Universal considers the Spielberg films a gold and will space them out a bit. I do think we will see Amblin titles though, CAPE FEAR, CASPER, THE FLINTSTONES, HARRY AND THE HENDERSONS etc. a good candidates.
It's a lot more complicated than that. There's a lot of personal and studio politics that affect Spielberg's films, and on top of that he's always been hesitant about untested formats. I believe he's said that he's waiting the HD war out, and he waited for millions of players to be in houses. To jump into one side of a new, very uncertain format war would be extremely out of character for him.
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Originally Posted by Bradley-E
I've been thinking all along that Universal will eventually replace existing Standard DVD's with the HD DVD/DVD Combos. Making the Combos the only way to purchase the films.
Drop a definite cash cow with 99+% of the market to take a chance on discs that cost the consumer 2-3 times as much? What kind of idiot businesspeople do you think work at Universal?
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Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
Drop a definite cash cow with 99+% of the market to take a chance on discs that cost the consumer 2-3 times as much? What kind of idiot businesspeople do you think work at Universal?
It could be as simple as changing the marketing approach. Market them as SD like they normally do, with the added bonus of HD on the flip side instead of the other way around. If the price keeps constant with current SD releases, it should have little negative impact on their SD sales. I am certainly not recommending that they do this, but I see little downside for Universal to do so.

For new releases, they certainly would not cost consumers 2 to 3 times as much. There should be little or no difference in their pricing structure. Combos are already coming out at 29.95 MSRP from Universal, about the same retail as SD disks.
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Sorry, just realised top of the thread has the interview. If they can make a buffable hybrid single sided disc, reasonably priced at $30 maximum for catalog, and $35 for new stuff, the war is over.
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Originally Posted by ppltd
It could be as simple as changing the marketing approach. Market them as SD like they normally do, with the added bonus of HD on the flip side instead of the other way around. If the price keeps constant with current SD releases, it should have little negative impact on their SD sales. I am certainly not recommending that they do this, but I see little downside for Universal to do so.

For new releases, they certainly would not cost consumers 2 to 3 times as much. There should be little or no difference in their pricing structure. Combos are already coming out at 29.95 MSRP from Universal, about the same retail as SD disks.


but they won't price hd content the same as sd, no studio will, not until market forces allow for it
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Originally Posted by ppltd
This is where Toshiba and Universal should get together. Now to have a single sided disk with both HD and SD on it, that would be the perfect compromise.
These hybrid discs were announced pretty early on, although nothing ever came of them. If I remember correctly, a small percentage of traditional DVD players couldn't handle these single-sided hybrid discs, and even 2-3% of DVD players is an impossibly huge number.

There would be one layer for DVD and one for HD DVD, and that's a pretty big compromise to make for both formats.
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Originally Posted by BrettB
"90% combo"

Oh the humanity!


LOL, agreed!
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Originally Posted by Yumbo
Sorry, just realised top of the thread has the interview. If they can make a buffable hybrid single sided disc, reasonably priced at $30 maximum for catalog, and $35 for new stuff, the war is over.
That wouldn't end the war. It's not as simple as throwing together some hybrids and pricing stuff between $30-$35, or else this would have been done months ago.
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I too might be more lenient towards a single sided hybrid. However still opposed to it on principle to pay more for something I don't want. But might crack and get a few titles I really want and don't have the SD. However this would be one or 2 titles but better than the 0 flipper combos I will buy from now on.

No big loss for them I guess, I am sure my 1 or 2 HD-DVD a week purchase won't affect them much. This is the HTF after all and even the more mild mannered collector here has THOUSANDS of SD-DVDs and I am sure is headed that way in HD as well.
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Originally Posted by TheBat
can you ask them about other arnold S movies like twins and stuff?
thanks,

Jacob

I agree - I'd like to know about Twins, K. Cop, and the Conan movies on HD.
post #77 of 264

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Originally Posted by Jesse Blackow
That wouldn't end the war. It's not as simple as throwing together some hybrids and pricing stuff between $30-$35, or else this would have been done months ago.
It might not end the "war" right away, but it would be a great mid/long-term plan. Think about it - if Universal were to go to all combo discs, without a separate SD-DVD release, then they're putting HD-DVDs into a whole bunch more hands. Sure, this hypothetical consumer don't use them right away, but then when they decide to upgrade to HDTV in a few months or a year and have to decide between HD-DVD and Blu-ray, they have built-in incentive to choose HD-DVD.

Of course, this plan would require combo discs that only cost a little more than standard DVD to manufacture and sell for roughly the same price (and by "roughly", I mean at most a 10% premium). It also assumes that Universal, or any non-affiliated studio, has any real interest in settling things, which I don't know is necessarily the case.
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problem with going all-combo disc:

It's one thing for an educated consumer to opt to buy a combo disc because they *want* the HD DVD/DVD combo capability. They know what they're getting and that's why they get it.

But can you imagine if all the walmart shoppers suddenly ended up with combo discs when only intending to buy little Johnny his favorite movie on DVD? When those consumers get home they won't read the insert... they'll just load those discs into their DVD players. 50% of the time they'll play. the other 50% of the time they'll get upset that it's not working. Universal will be deluged with a wave of consumer complaints.

Not a problem with combo discs... just a problem with Joe-average consumers who aren't even clued in to the fact that there's an HD format war at play.
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Just a reminder,
BRAZIL by Universal will NOT be the preferred director's cut.

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Originally Posted by JohnPhi
but they won't price hd content the same as sd, no studio will, not until market forces allow for it
Currently, yes. But that is not the fault of Combo disks, which are currently priced the same as many non-combos. Simply supply and demand. If all they produce is a Combo, no SD or HD only disks, sales would push the price down. Doubt any of this will happen though. It is way to early in the life of HD content.
post #81 of 264

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I wonder why they have not begun doing this already? Seems to be a no-brainer. Of course, it would require alot of work to ensure that they had HD copies of all of their releases available.

It's not a no brainer when something costs $$$.

They probably would love to release one disk that includes the hd and sd version by default but someone has to pay for that (read "early adopter") at least until there is enough volume to justify lowering the prices further.

Combo/Twin is a potential longterm advantage for hd-dvd format that can bring advantage to the market place for average consumers, studios and retailers. If hd-dvd format isn't successful with combos then it probably lacks enough long-term advantage over the BD format to keep a studio like Universal from just moving to Blu-ray where there are no combos being replicated anyway.
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I really dislike the "combo" HD DVD/DVD discs. The dislike is from primarily not liking the higher price for a DVD that I don't want being glued to my HD DVD. But I also just personally dislike two sided discs.

I've made some lengthy posts in the past about why combo discs (their prices in particular) are not fair to the majority of people with HD DVD players right now, and many here have made similar points so I won't go into more detail again now. But 90% of Universal releases being combos really pisses me off.

As for Total HD, I feel a bit different. I still don't like the form factor of a two-sided disc, but I feel that you are least getting something potentially useful. With the DVD combo, you are forced to get something that is of no use to someone who is only interested in high definition. With Total HD, at least you are getting another HD version of the movie in the other format. And if your chosen format doesn't make it down the road, the other side becomes very useful.

Let's be realistic. BD is not going anywhere. It will either win outright, or it will co-exist with HD DVD. With HD DVD, I feel that the best it can hope for is co-existence (which I still believe is possible), but it also could eventually 'lose' and go away. I just don't see that happening with BD. So if you are HD DVD now and you get a Total HD disc, you're a bit "safer", and that side you don't want now may actually be something you'll wind up using for the highdef movie a few years from now (unlike the DVD side of a combo disc).

Also, if you had players for each format (or a dual format player), if one side of the Total HD disc gets scratched, you basically have a back-up on the other side. So while I still don't personally like the form of a two-sided disc, I see the Total HD option as something that does potentially offer something useful.

But the price of these Total HD discs really needs to be kept at the same price as regular HD DVDs or BDs. That's crucial.

I just bought my first two BDs this week (X3 and Kingdom of Heaven). I don't have a BD player yet, but I always planned on getting one (it has just taken longer because the format launch was so bad and the prices of players haven't come down to where I'd like yet). If there isn't a great BD player available fro about $600 by Summer, I'll just get a PS3.

But I'm going to start collecting some BDs now. When a movie comes out on both formats, if the HD DVD is a combo then I'll be getting the BD (assuming equal quality),even if I haven't bought a player yet. But with Universal HD DVD combos, I'll just limit it to titles I really, realy want and hold back on ones I'd like but don't "have to have" since I really don't like combos.

Right now, I feel strongly that if Universal really wants to exclusively support HD DVD (and thus, keep the format war going) then they damn well better make it worth while and not do it half-assed. Either do it full-assed ( ), or just support BD as well already. But don't keep the format war going by holding out and then jerk us around. Let's get some (make that lots and lots) of great titles out, pronto!
post #83 of 264

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We all know the real reason Universal is releasing combo SD/HD-DVD media is so that when HD-DVD becomes an extinct format, Universal will be able to tell pissed off customers that at least they will still be able to play their media in a Blu-ray machine, just in SD!!
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Originally Posted by ppltd
Combos are already coming out at 29.95 MSRP from Universal, about the same retail as SD disks.
Which ones? I did a quick Amazon check, and the most recent ones (Brokeback Mountain and Half-Baked) had a $35 MSRP.
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
Just a reminder,
BRAZIL by Universal will NOT be the preferred director's cut.

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Dave,

Are you sure? I thought the current Universal Brazil DVD was the same cut as is on the Criterion.

(Frankly, I wish I had the option for the original theatrical cut, but it's no biggie.)

If I had a horse in this race (which admittedly I don't), I'd be stoked to have Brazil on HD of any flavor.

Douglas
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Originally Posted by Darcy Hunter
I couldn't agree more. I have been very pleased with Universal's releases over the past year, and if this partial list is any indication, they are continuing to release quality titles this year.

A couple things bother me, and one of them are these damn combos they want to force on the consumer. I don't mind the idea of combos in theory: they allow more flexibility, and options for the consumer. however, it's the PRICE that kills me. A look at the pricing difference in Universal's titles shows what the added cost is.

Casino and Dune at BB is $25.99. (I know you can get it cheaper online, but this is just an example.)

An American Werewolf in London and The Grinch (Combo) at BB: $32.99.

New releases are even more expensive with titles such as Miami Vice priced from $34.99 - $45.99!


Where are you guys seeing combo discs priced at $30 and $40??? I got Miami Vice for $19.95. So far thats my only combo, but I'm typically seeing them for about $24.
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Originally Posted by ppltd

I believe the majority of MGM went to Warner, but could be wrong. If this is the case, they will be released in both formats. As far as Universal, they have a very strong catalog of past classics to dive into, on par, and maybe better than Fox.

If Fox starts releasing its classic Cinemascope titles on BD, I'll be at the store in a heart beat to buy a BD player.
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Originally Posted by DouglasBr
Dave,

Are you sure? I thought the current Universal Brazil DVD was the same cut as is on the Criterion.

(Frankly, I wish I had the option for the original theatrical cut, but it's no biggie.)

If I had a horse in this race (which admittedly I don't), I'd be stoked to have Brazil on HD of any flavor.

Douglas

Whoops! Think you're right!
I guess it's just that the new criterion is the only anamorphic SD version out that got me mixed up!

post #89 of 264

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You all whine and bitch too much! Just enjoy and be patient.
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Originally Posted by RobertCH
...... Personally I think all this whining about combo disks is unfounded, especially considering that Superman Returns, a combo, a dreaded combo disk, has been consistently the best or second best selling HD-DVD since it was released.

So obviously the buying public likes combos just fine, and since it appears that Universal will be bringing the price down, I think it's great that the vast majority of Universal's releases this year will be combo disks.

this is not whining. this is opinions.
if it disagrees with yours is that why its whining?

the supes reurns was only available as a combo, so there is no hd dvd release to compare sales prices too.
it was the only choice if you wanted the hd dvd version of the film.
if the blu ray version had a lossles track i would have bought that and not the hd combo.
also i would not have bought the combo if i diddnt get it cheep using google checkout at buy.com

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Originally Posted by Sean*O
Have to disagree completely.

Combos are the best advantage that HD DVD has over the Blu Ray format in the marketplace. Just wait until prices come down and we see single SKU DVD-HD DVD releases everywhere we look.

From a format perspective, for HD DVD to abandon Combo discs would make even less sense than Blu Ray abandoning the PS3.



Give them away to Friends & Family or sell them. You can clear up some space on your shelf and still have both DVD and HD DVD versions in one case.

Just a suggestion.

i'm not giving away my dvds.
plus all you can get for them is a few dollars on ebay or
through trade-in for credit on some websites.

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Originally Posted by Dave H
I agree...this entire thing is really turning into a ****ing mess and getting worse with each passing month it seems. The only way mainstream will ever adopt an HD optical disc format is with general simplification (as was the case with DVD) which means ONE format with 100% studio support on ONE type of disc in my opinion. All of these dual players, dual discs, hybrid discs, mixed studio support, etc. etc. is causing nothing but sheer confusion for most average people and there is no way they are going to invest in this and I can't really blame any non-home theaterphile individual. Even for myself...I own the PS3 and HD-A2 but will stick mostly to renting and only buying a few titles because I don't have total confidence that these formats will survive past the next couple of years in all honesty.

well i think both formats will last longer then that.

but everything else you say i agree with.
too many types of dvds.

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
Just a reminder,
BRAZIL by Universal will NOT be the preferred director's cut.

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i doubt that. the standard dvd was the long cut.

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Originally Posted by DouglasBr
Dave,

Are you sure? I thought the current Universal Brazil DVD was the same cut as is on the Criterion.

(Frankly, I wish I had the option for the original theatrical cut, but it's no biggie.)

If I had a horse in this race (which admittedly I don't), I'd be stoked to have Brazil on HD of any flavor.

Douglas

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Originally Posted by Dave Mack
Whoops! Think you're right!
I guess it's just that the new criterion is the only anamorphic SD version out that got me mixed up!


dave still not following you here. the newly released anamorphic criterion is the long cut.
and the oop sd uni release was the long cut too despite the package saying otherwise.
the box set does include the theatrical cut too.

i wonder if there was a choice between a combo and a single hd dvd of each title what the numbers would be.

too bad there won't be a choice for us.

as robert crawford mentioned.
looks like most of my hi def dvd watching will be through netflix and blockbuster
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