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Good stuff Adam and I appreciate your dilligence in this. I know it's not easy trying to get information and at the same time not being viewed as a pest. Thanks to your interview, Universal, is understanding some recent frustration from HD DVD owners.

I like the combos and have already benefitted from their versatility. Both of my older brothers who haven't joined any HD format yet think the combo disc is the way to go. Alot of people I know at least travel alot and can use the sd dvd side to use in their SUVs etc...It is a bit more $$ but not that much and cheaper than buying 2 separate editions. We live in a very portable entertainment conscious society. the HD DVD Combo Format if marketed correctly could get more into HD.

Again, thank you Adam for doing this.
post #32 of 264

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I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the Universal Spielberg films...


http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12...iness/dream.php

Dreamworks were set to sell to Universal when...

"...Negotiations began with Universal more than a year ago, when Geffen sat down with one of his best friends, Ron Meyer, president of Universal Studios. A sale to Universal made sense for both sides, and Hollywood insiders as well as Wall Street observers fully expected a deal.

Spielberg has longstanding personal ties to Universal, the studio that gave him his first break as a young director when he made such blockbuster hits as "Jaws," "E.T." and "Jurassic Park." His production company, Amblin, is based on the Universal studio lot, where he has a contract to remain through 2010.

Indeed, Geffen said he and Spielberg favored making a deal with Universal. Geffen added, "Steven's instructions were: 'If it is possible to make a deal with Universal, make a deal."'

In July, DreamWorks and Universal agreed to a period of exclusive negotiations, and a tentative deal was struck for Universal to acquire DreamWorks for $1.5 billion, with about $900 million of that sum going to pay DreamWorks' principal executives and investors - $125 million more than the deal that was ultimately struck.

But the talks broke off two months later when Universal lowered its bid to $1.4 billion after the poor performance of some DreamWorks films, principally the big-budget summer thriller, "The Island," and the romantic comedy "Just Like Heaven." Geffen said the chairman of NBC Universal, Bob Wright, had made a handshake deal for the $1.5 billion, and then "reneged."

Feelings were bruised, but at the time, Universal was the only bidder for DreamWorks. Paramount had started to negotiate, but when Grey and Tom Freston, the co-president of Viacom, brought the proposal to the Viacom board of directors, they were told the deal was too expensive and was poorly timed because Viacom was in the process of splitting into two companies, Viacom and CBS.

Rather than abandoning the deal, Grey took a different message from that meeting. He felt the board favored the deal if he could overcome the obstacle of the price. When Grey learned that Universal had not closed its bid for DreamWorks by late November, he sounded out several private equity firms about the prospect of helping to finance the DreamWorks purchase. When he secured interest from a number of firms, he went back to Geffen to see if a deal were still possible.

On Dec. 2, Geffen called Meyer and told him another bidder was in the game. During the next week, Meyer waited for a response from GE's chairman and chief executive, Jeffrey Immelt. None was forthcoming.

On Thursday, Viacom's board met in New York and approved the purchase of DreamWorks. Grey and Freston flew through the night on a private jet to bring the contracts to the DreamWorks principals.

All that remained was for Spielberg, the powerhouse director with longstanding affection for Universal, to get comfortable with the deal and his new patrons. That took place on Friday morning at his home.

But before signing the contracts with Grey and Freston, Geffen called his friend Meyer. He would still make the deal with NBC Universal, he told Meyer, if General Electric would produce a check for $100 million as a good faith deposit on the purchase.

It was not to be. "They said, 'We couldn't get a deal done today under any circumstances,"' Geffen recalled. "That was the end. We knew they couldn't get it done in a day. They couldn't get anything done in a day....."

Spielberg probably isn't too happy with them right now
post #33 of 264
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That doesn't make sense. If "their" format (and it really isn't just Sony's) wins, then it will have proven that subsidizing the players was the right decision, unless somehow the PS3 ends up contributing nothing to the success.
Jesse-
What I meant by that is that Sony needs to sell a TON of software to even begin to break even on their PS3 rollout. Disney and Fox are making money from day 1 on their software releases. It is estimated that Sony loses $306.85 on every 20 gig PS3 and $241.35 on every 60 gig model. With 1 mil in circulation that means that they have shelled out between 250 and 300 million dollars today. If they ship another million units over teh next few months that number doubles. Some analyists estimate that Sony will take a hit to the bottom line between 1 and 2 billion dollars! It takes a lot of software to make that up. Disney and Fox keep touting the number of PS3s so they are getting the same benefit Sony is without the cost. Sony may not "lose", but they sure won't be a winner to the extent that the other studios will.
post #34 of 264
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I don't know if Universal has to have his consent to release the titles that were done under Amblin or not - I'm not sure who ownes them. Even if they had the legal authority to release them I know they would always prefer to work with the filmmaker. Keep in mind that although Spielberg may not like GE, he still may not mave a huge problem with Universal. That story doesn't say where the real roadblocks were. I suspect they were with GE not wanting to shell out that kind of money for another media company.
post #35 of 264
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As a side note, or getting back on topic, whichever you prefer to call it.... I have requested pricing clarification from Universal on their combo discs. Are they going to lower, raise or keep them the same, etc. I am continuing to grovel for release info as well.
post #36 of 264

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Originally Posted by Jeff Cooper
Crawdaddy -
"Right, the HD DVD group will be losing some of my business as I will buy the cheaper BR versions if available."
"If Warner and Paramount mirrors their BRD with what's on the HD DVD and the BRD is cheaper then I'm buying that format."

I don't understand your reasoning here. You say if the Blu Ray disc is cheaper than the TotalHD disc, then you will buy the Blu Ray instead? But if the studio puts out the particular title as a TotalHD disc, then that will mean there won't be a Blu Ray only version of that title for you to buy...

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you meant.
Read my post again. I noted that once Total HD comes out, my buying pattern will change again because the price advantage that a BRD mirror with the same content as the HD DVD enjoyed, will no longer exist over the HD DVD combo disc. At that point, I'm back to reevaluating my purchases of the different format software.




Crawdaddy
post #37 of 264

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Each HD DVD combo disc is a Trojan horse if it is at the same price than DVD.
post #38 of 264

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THAT I Totally agree with...

post #39 of 264

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Thanks for the interview and for including my questions, Adam.

As to the outcome of the interview itself... well it is a bit anticlimactic to be honest. A hundred titles is good, and 40-50 titles in the first half is great (I feared they'd save everything till the last quarter). But considering they have only seven titles released or announced in the January-April timeframe, well, they better get cracking.

WRT combos: bad idea. bad bad idea. I already got Lebowski. I already got Brazil (twice!). I already got the Hitchcocks. Sorry but no.
post #40 of 264

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I guess I took something different away from that read.

It seems that Speilberg always wants to work with Universal if at all possible. He might dislike the bosses who own the company, but I doubt he would throw any roadblocks in the way of his friends’ success for that reason alone.

If as the story goes he was willing to deal with Universal up until the very last minute, even with the Viacom buyers standing right in front of him, that should tell you something about his loyalty to Universal.

I am sure he knows how it all works and that the studio's hands may have been tied by larger controlling entities.
post #41 of 264

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WRT combos: bad idea. bad bad idea.

Have to disagree completely.

Combos are the best advantage that HD DVD has over the Blu Ray format in the marketplace. Just wait until prices come down and we see single SKU DVD-HD DVD releases everywhere we look.

From a format perspective, for HD DVD to abandon Combo discs would make even less sense than Blu Ray abandoning the PS3.

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I already got Lebowski. I already got Brazil (twice!). I already got the Hitchcocks. Sorry but no.

Give them away to Friends & Family or sell them. You can clear up some space on your shelf and still have both DVD and HD DVD versions in one case.

Just a suggestion.
post #42 of 264

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Originally Posted by dpippel
I'm with many people in this thread - combos and TotalHD releases will result in FAR FEWER software purchases by me if they cost more than single format releases. I don't care of they cost more to produce. That's not the point. Studios: $20 is the breaking point. This isn't rocket science.

I have been seeing more and more Combo Disks come out at a 29.99 MSRP over the last month or two, lowering the sales prices to within a dollar or two of a non-Combo. If this pricing keeps up, at least for catalog releases, the cost issue goes away.

As far a the Hybrid disks, this is a no loser for the studios supporting both formats. If you want their movie, in either format, you will have only one choice. As far as it's pricing, maybe we should wait and see what it prices out at.

Either way, the current price of a Combo is still lower than Fox releases at, and it seems Sony is pushing the boundaries of price. An example is the 39.00 MSRP of the soon to be releases Open Season.

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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich
As a side note, or getting back on topic, whichever you prefer to call it.... I have requested pricing clarification from Universal on their combo discs. Are they going to lower, raise or keep them the same, etc. I am continuing to grovel for release info as well.

Universal has just released 'Half Baked' as a Combo disk with a MSRP of 29.99 which means it is available at around 20.00. If they keep this pricing up for all of their catalog releases, there is basically no price difference between a Combo and non-combo disk.
post #43 of 264

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Originally Posted by Sean*O
Give them away to Friends & Family or sell them. You can clear up some space on your shelf and still have both DVD and HD DVD versions in one case.

Just a suggestion.
That is what I have been doing since I began collecting DVD's, replacing original releases with SE's, and will in all honesty continue to do with HD releases. As I purchase an HD title, I transfer my DVD of the film to my Daughter, for her collection. Makes her happy (at my expense, of course ).
post #44 of 264

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Let's be honest. MSRP for Fox BD's and for the new release HD DVD combos are ridiculous, almost to the point of being Out of Line! Even when you look at actual prices paid on Amazon, the pricing structure is too high. That said, content is king. Having movies released and titles that we know are coming is what matters, and this is what shapes the format war. I've watched the tides turn and some pretty hardcore HD DVD only supporters have bought BD players because they want movies to watch in high def. Things can seem fairly even when Universal is pumping out title after title, but when Universal slows down, that's it for HD DVD. The thing is, beyond their extensive catalog, Universal just doesn't have the Big Gun new releases from their horrible box office 2006.
post #45 of 264

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Originally Posted by Porter H
Things can seem fairly even when Universal is pumping out title after title, but when Universal slows down, that's it for HD DVD. The thing is, beyond their extensive catalog, Universal just doesn't have the Big Gun new releases from their horrible box office 2006.
In 2006, only 36 films made over 100 mil worldwide, and of those, only 16 broke the 100 mil mark in Domestic ticket revenue. Nearly half have been released, or soon will be released in one HD format or the other, leaving very few 'big' 2006 films to fill in the release schedule for HD formats. IMHO, it will be the catalog releases that have the most impact on HD sales this year. I am not certain which exclusive studio is best situated for these releases.
post #46 of 264

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Originally Posted by ppltd
In 2006, only 36 films made over 100 mil worldwide, and of those, only 16 broke the 100 mil mark in Domestic ticket revenue.
And only one of them was for Universal, and only 2 in 2005. On the other side, in 2006 alone, you've got 2 from Buena Vista (one at more than 200M, the other more than 400M), 5 from Sony, and 5 from Fox.

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IMHO, it will be the catalog releases that have the most impact on HD sales this year. I am not certain which exclusive studio is best situated for these releases.
I'd be willing to bet it's Fox, in no small part due to MGM being on their ticket.
post #47 of 264

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Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
And only one of them was for Universal, and only 2 in 2005. On the other side, in 2006 alone, you've got 2 from Buena Vista (one at more than 200M, the other more than 400M), 5 from Sony, and 5 from Fox.
Not disagreeing. But the remainder are from studios that either support both formats, or support neither, with the exception of two Weinstein releases, which will be or are currently HD-DVD. I made the point only to show that there are very few 2006 films that will have an impact on sales this year, and of those, many have already been released.

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Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
I'd be willing to bet it's Fox, in no small part due to MGM being on their ticket.
I believe the majority of MGM went to Warner, but could be wrong. If this is the case, they will be released in both formats. As far as Universal, they have a very strong catalog of past classics to dive into, on par, and maybe better than Fox.

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As of the present day, Warner Bros. (through subsidiary Turner Entertainment) owns the rights to the pre-1986 MGM film library. MGM itself owns nearly all of its own post-1986 library, most of the post-1952 United Artists catalog (although it also includes a tiny fraction of pre-1952 UA material), a majority of the Orion Pictures film and television library (which includes material from predecessors American International Pictures, Heatter-Quigley Productions, and Filmways) and the pre-1996 Samuel Goldwyn library.

I believe the MGM/UA releases that were pre-1986, which would include films like the Bond series, would be owned by either Sony or Fox.
post #48 of 264

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If your paying more than 25$ for an HD-DVD even if it's a combo your shopping at the wrong places. I have over 40 HD-DVD's and have yet to have to pay over 25$ for any of them even combo's. Amazon used sections and even Ebay will get you these discs a lot cheaper than your standard electronic store.
post #49 of 264

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As of now, if any of my family, friends or co-workers asks me for advice about whether they should upgrade to either optical format, my recommendation to them would be to not make such an investment at this time. IMO, the studios and industry have made some major mistakes that may have doom each format as nothing more than a niche market. In short, they might have screwed the pooch with their development and marketing mistakes. It makes me sad to say this, but I don't have a good feeling about whether these new high definition software formats would ever reach mass market penetration. For such a thing to happen, some major improvement needs to take place marketing-wise from both, the studios and industry itself. These improvements need to take place within the next year or so, otherwise, those that frequent this forum and others like it, might be the prevalent consumer group for these formats.




Crawdaddy
post #50 of 264

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Originally Posted by ppltd
Not disagreeing. But the remainder are from studios that either support both formats, or support neither, with the exception of two Weinstein releases, which will be or are currently HD-DVD. I made the point only to show that there are very few 2006 films that will have an impact on sales this year, and of those, many have already been released.
Well, apart from King Kong, 2005 wasn't a good year for them either, and their bottom line shows it. Universal has a good catalog, but this list isn't showing it off.

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I believe the majority of MGM went to Warner, but could be wrong. If this is the case, they will be released in both formats. As far as Universal, they have a very strong catalog of past classics to dive into, on par, and maybe better than Fox.
I'm fully aware of the Warner/MGM deals, but they've obviously held on to some classics. Among the Blu-ray titles announced by MGM are some very strong classics such as Battle of Britain, A Bridge too Far, The Graduate, and Fistful of Dollars. I don't see any pre-1980s movies in Universal's list here, or in the titles they've already announced.

And in terms of available catalog, I still believe they're way behind. If we go to this thread (which takes into account catalog ownership), we see that on AFI's top 100 there are 47 titles available from neutral studios, 14 HD DVD exclusives (all Universal, I believe), and 38 Blu-ray exclusives. In terms of box office, the top 200 of all time has 79 neutral titles, 21 HD DVD exclusives, and 99 Blu-ray exclusives. I think those are pretty telling numbers.

ETA: The total catalog numbers seem to jump all over the place--one shows Fox only has 477 titles--but it appears Sony has a lead on Universal, and Fox may be one title behind. If some of the more consistent numbers are correct, Sony has 6746, Universal has 5157, and Fox has 5156.
post #51 of 264

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Originally Posted by Jesse Blacklow
And in terms of available catalog, I still believe they're way behind. If we go to this thread (which takes into account catalog ownership), we see that on AFI's top 100 there are 47 titles available from neutral studios, 14 HD DVD exclusives (all Universal, I believe), and 38 Blu-ray exclusives. In terms of box office, the top 200 of all time has 79 neutral titles, 21 HD DVD exclusives, and 99 Blu-ray exclusives. I think those are pretty telling numbers.

ETA: The total catalog numbers seem to jump all over the place--one shows Fox only has 477 titles--but it appears Sony has a lead on Universal, and Fox may be one title behind. If some of the more consistent numbers are correct, Sony has 6746, Universal has 5157, and Fox has 5156.

The size of the catalog makes no difference at this time, as neither sides exclusive studios have shown much willingness to release them currently. The only Studio that has actually taken the time to do this right, IMHO, has been Warner. I believe that by the time the studios actually get out a large quantity of the catalog titles, this format debacle will have been decided one way or the other.

Any way it goes, there are more movies that I will ever be able to afford, in either format, that could be released .
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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
As of now, if any of my family, friends or co-workers asks me for advice about whether they should upgrade to either optical format, my recommendation to them would be to not make such an investment at this time. IMO, the studios and industry have made some major mistakes that may have doom each format as nothing more than a niche market. In short, they might have screwed the pooch with their development and marketing mistakes. It makes me sad to say this, but I don't have a good feeling about whether these new high definition software formats would ever reach mass market penetration. For such a thing to happen, some major improvement needs to take place marketing-wise from both, the studios and industry itself. These improvements need to take place within the next year or so, otherwise, those that frequent this forum and others like it, might be the prevalent consumer group for these formats.




Crawdaddy

I agree...this entire thing is really turning into a ****ing mess and getting worse with each passing month it seems. The only way mainstream will ever adopt an HD optical disc format is with general simplification (as was the case with DVD) which means ONE format with 100% studio support on ONE type of disc in my opinion. All of these dual players, dual discs, hybrid discs, mixed studio support, etc. etc. is causing nothing but sheer confusion for most average people and there is no way they are going to invest in this and I can't really blame any non-home theaterphile individual. Even for myself...I own the PS3 and HD-A2 but will stick mostly to renting and only buying a few titles because I don't have total confidence that these formats will survive past the next couple of years in all honesty.
post #53 of 264

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Originally Posted by Robert Crawford
As of now, if any of my family, friends or co-workers asks me for advice about whether they should upgrade to either optical format, my recommendation to them would be to not make such an investment at this time. IMO, the studios and industry have made some major mistakes that may have doom each format as nothing more than a niche market. In short, they might have screwed the pooch with their development and marketing mistakes. It makes me sad to say this, but I don't have a good feeling about whether these new high definition software formats would ever reach mass market penetration. For such a thing to happen, some major improvement needs to take place marketing-wise from both, the studios and industry itself. These improvements need to take place within the next year or so, otherwise, those that frequent this forum and others like it, might be the prevalent consumer group for these formats.




Crawdaddy

I agree...this entire thing is beyond a ****ing mess and getting worse with each passing month it seems. The only way mainstream will ever adopt an HD optical disc format is with general simplification (as was the case with DVD) which means ONE format with 100% studio support on ONE type of disc in my opinion. All of these dual players, dual discs, hybrid discs, mixed studio support, etc. etc. is causing nothing but sheer confusion for most average people and there is no way they are going to invest in this and I can't really blame any non-home theaterphile individual. Even for myself...I own the PS3 and HD-A2 but will stick mostly to renting and only buying a few titles because I don't have total confidence that these formats will survive past the next couple of years in all honesty.

The manufacturers and studios may end up screwing themselves for not coming together on one format.
post #54 of 264

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Originally Posted by Mark Davenport
If your paying more than 25$ for an HD-DVD even if it's a combo your shopping at the wrong places. I have over 40 HD-DVD's and have yet to have to pay over 25$ for any of them even combo's. Amazon used sections and even Ebay will get you these discs a lot cheaper than your standard electronic store.


You are correct, but most people, the average person, who really needs to embrace this format, does not baragain hunt online. They go into BB or CC, see the outrageious prices and move on. Amazon is amazing for deals, but of the entrie movie buying market, what percent does it represent?
post #55 of 264

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FWIW, apparently the top 4 Blu-ray titles from last week were all ~$40 MSRP.
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I have no problem paying $25 or $30 for a Combo Disc. Recently I bought BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN for around $25. Considering Fox/MGM is charging $35. to $39 for a feature-less BD disc of HOOSIERS and THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR the Combo is not a bad deal. As more HD DVD players are on in homes the Combos prices will go down. Back in the begining of Standard DVD the prices were high and after a few years went down significantly.

I love Universal's commitment to HD DVD and I yet to be disappointed by them.

Re: Spielberg. They are not going to say anything in advance about titles. Those titles will be treated with kid gloves and will have individual press releases. I'm better we will have E.T. this Fall based on the fact it is the films 25th Aniversary. But that is just a hunch on my part. Also, Universal considers the Spielberg films a gold and will space them out a bit. I do think we will see Amblin titles though, CAPE FEAR, CASPER, THE FLINTSTONES, HARRY AND THE HENDERSONS etc. a good candidates.

Overall I am excited by this news and look forward to getting a big majority of the titles discussed.

Cheers!
post #57 of 264

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You do realize that there is another possibility...

This could be the first move by Universal in a strategy that wins the format war in HD-DVD's favor:

1. Lower MSRP on their HD-DVD Combo discs to $19.99-24.99

2. Halt release of SD-DVDs entirely, releasing ALL material as combos.

As more and more Combos are produced, economy of scale kicks in, reducing the manufacturing costs.

Everyone is taken care of: people that want HD, people who only have DVD, and people who want legacy support for portable/auto/boat DVD players.

If I were in the BR camp, this scenario would terrify me, as it's not outside the realm of possibilities...
post #58 of 264

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Originally Posted by Dan Harding
You do realize that there is another possibility...

This could be the first move by Universal in a strategy that wins the format war in HD-DVD's favor:

1. Lower MSRP on their HD-DVD Combo discs to $19.99-24.99

2. Halt release of SD-DVDs entirely, releasing ALL material as combos.

As more and more Combos are produced, economy of scale kicks in, reducing the manufacturing costs.

Everyone is taken care of: people that want HD, people who only have DVD, and people who want legacy support for portable/auto/boat DVD players.

If I were in the BR camp, this scenario would terrify me, as it's not outside the realm of possibilities...

No way, DVD is the main source of revenue for these companies.
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Originally Posted by Dan Harding
You do realize that there is another possibility...

This could be the first move by Universal in a strategy that wins the format war in HD-DVD's favor:

1. Lower MSRP on their HD-DVD Combo discs to $19.99-24.99

2. Halt release of SD-DVDs entirely, releasing ALL material as combos.

As more and more Combos are produced, economy of scale kicks in, reducing the manufacturing costs.

Everyone is taken care of: people that want HD, people who only have DVD, and people who want legacy support for portable/auto/boat DVD players.

If I were in the BR camp, this scenario would terrify me, as it's not outside the realm of possibilities...


I've been thinking all along that Universal will eventually replace existing Standard DVD's with the HD DVD/DVD Combos. Making the Combos the only way to purchase the films.

Was there a posting for the Hitchcock titles somewhere?
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There is no way they can ever replace the standard DVD with combo discs. There would just be too much confusion by the uninformed consumers as they put the discs into thier DVD players wrong wide up and they refuse to play. The lettering on the disc hubs is unacceptably small and would cause problems for those with sight problems. Atleast with a standard 2 sided disc both sides will play in the players. Those that do not understand may think the discs defective.
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