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post #151 of 707

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Colin - looking forward to your review as this will be a "blind" buy for me.

From what you've seen, are the episodes complete and not time sped? CBS/Paramount is usually very good at this although there has been some bad news this week with some of their releases (one S2 Perry Mason episode edited, Gunsmoke S1 may have edits, Hawaii Five-0 S2 missing an entire episode).

Thanks in advance,

Steve
post #152 of 707

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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
Even though I'm 45 I have never watched an episode of THE FUGITIVE, However, last night I watched two from a VHS which a friend lent me, and I was hooked! The episodes were "Nightmare at Northoak" and "Escape Into Black". I now want to see the entire series! I'll be buying the new half-season DVD.

I just want to clarify the nature of the series to some of you first time viewers. THE FUGITIVE comes from a simpler time, so anyone expecting a series with continuing intensity like say 24 or LOST might feel a bit let down.

THE FUGITIVE chronicles the wanderings of a man who is searching for the murderer of his wife, all while eluding the law himself. Society has branded him a criminal and sentenced him to death, and he must do whatever he can with his new-found freedom to change the situation.

As he drifts from town to town, he becomes involved in the loves of the people he meets. As such, the series often plays like an anthology, as we meet new people every week and watch Dr. Kimble either help them out with their own problems, or allow them to help him with his.

Kimble's persuer, Lt. Gerard is not a factor in every episode, indeed he doesn't even appear in all of them. Generally, whenever Gerard is present, the situation tends to get more intense, but even that isn't always the case. Sometimes the threat for Dr. Kimble comes from local law-enforcement people, or those around them. You just never know where each episode is headed when you start watching.

There are a few episodes where the threat to Kimble is fairly light, even allowing him to rest and become comfortable with his surroundings and the new people he's become involved with. And there are others, like the aforementioned "Nightmare at Northoak" where Kimble finds himself in deep trouble.

Each hour is its own self-contained little drama within the larger framework of Kimble trying to prove his innocence. His larger quest is for the one-armed man, who rarely appears at all, particularly in the first couple of seasons.

So watch these episodes in the context of them being great little dramas in their own right, not as any kind of continuing story. There are seldom, if ever, references to prior characters or situations that Kimble has been in, so you don't need to remember the names and faces of the people he meets. They aren't clues to some larger mystery like you might find on LOST or HEROES. They're just people - everyday people with the same kinds of problems that you and I might encounter in our daily lives.

The only continuing characters are Kimble himself, of course; Lt. Gerard; Kimble's sister and brother-in-law and their family in a few episodes; and the fact that Gerard has a wife and child who we meet along the way (though the actress playing Mrs. Gerard changes); and the mysterious one-armed man. We meet Kimble's wife only through flashbacks a few times over the course of the series. Gerard himself has a recurring boss in the early episodes but later acts more autonimously.

Everyone else in the series is really just a character-of-the-week, unimportant to the larger drama at hand, but like all of us, facing our own problems as we work our way though life. That's what makes THE FUGITIVE seem so real to many who've viewed it. It's an authentic slice-of-life each week, and while we're always interested in the larger puzzle, putting together the smaller pieces each week can be nearly just as rewarding.

Colin, I can't wait for your full review. I'll be watching this space daily as I count down the days to the release of THE FUGITIVE - now just 23 days away!

Harry
post #153 of 707

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Originally Posted by Steve...O
Colin - looking forward to your review as this will be a "blind" buy for me.

From what you've seen, are the episodes complete and not time sped?

The box does make mention of some music changes. I don't have it with me right now, so I can't quote it, but it refers to those alterations.

As for the episodes otherwise, they seem fine. I gotta admit I've never seen them, so I don't know them from experience, but they all run at 50+ minutes, and they certainly don't seem to be sped up in anyway...
post #154 of 707

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Colin,

Thanks for the early info on this set. Can't wait for it! I wonder what music clearance issues could have been associated with this series? As long as the eps (scenes) are uncut, the rest doesn't bother me.

Harry_N, thanks for the post on the series. Well-written as always
post #155 of 707

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
The box does make mention of some music changes. I don't have it with me right now, so I can't quote it, but it refers to those alterations.


Uh-oh! This news is somewhat disquieting...

The only think I can think of that might have held up production on this show on DVD all these years is the music cues used from other series as we've mentioned in this thread.

I'll await further word from Colin before reacting any more.

Harry
post #156 of 707
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post #157 of 707

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Originally Posted by Harry-N
Uh-oh! This news is somewhat disquieting...

The only think I can think of that might have held up production on this show on DVD all these years is the music cues used from other series as we've mentioned in this thread.

I'll await further word from Colin before reacting any more.

Well, I won't be able to tell you more than what it says on the packaging. I've not noticed anything that screams "replaced music", but as I mentioned, I don't know the original shows. I could recognize changes for programs I've seen multiple times, but I'm at a loss to ID alterations here.

But it's not like they all of a sudden introduced disco into the shows or anything...
post #158 of 707
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This news is somewhat disquieting [re. the music changes].

Yes, I agree. I hope my earlier tirade about this matter doesn't come to fruition.

I'm wondering, though, if any music changes might just be a tune that is heard in the interior of an episode--although I can't really recall any episodes that are heavy on any music at all. However, as I strain my memory, in the debut show, Vera Miles is a piano player at Tucson's "Branding Iron Saloon" and we do hear a few songs coming from her piano during the show. Could it be THAT type of "music change" we're talking about?

I hope that's the case, because for any of the regular musical cues in this series to be altered would be absolutely criminal, IMO. The scenes just won't seem the same (although I can only assume that every last note Pete Rugolo composed specifically for "The Fugitive" would have to be included; because to divorce Peter's music from this series would be like replacing David Janssen with Danny DeVito as Dr. Kimble).

Nice Fugitive overview up there, Harry. I see you've even added a Fugitive-themed photo to your HTF profile.


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...Though the actress playing Mrs. Gerard changes...

As does the boy who plays Gerard's son. Kurt Russell plays "Phil Jr." in the top-notch ep. "Nemesis"; but another young boy plays Lt. Gerard's son (who is known as "Flip") in a first-season episode...which I think is "Never Wave Goodbye".
post #159 of 707

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Originally Posted by David VP
...Vera Miles is a piano player at Tucson's "Branding Iron Saloon" and we do hear a few songs coming from her piano during the show. Could it be THAT type of "music change" we're talking about?
I certainly don't remember the show well enough to remember specific music used but that seems like a good candidate. How much popular music would a show like The Fugitive have used anyway?

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Originally Posted by David VP
I hope that's the case, because for any of the regular musical cues in this series to be altered would be absolutely criminal, IMO.
I don't know the ins and outs of music rights but I really doubt that's the case. I don't think the score has ever had to be replaced for a DVD release.

Unfortunately, this thread is going to become the usual music replacement bitch fest with the usual people typing paragraph upon pargraph about the evils of the practice and how they'd rather be dead than buy the set now.
post #160 of 707

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Unfortunately, this thread is going to become the usual music replacement bitch fest with the usual people typing paragraph upon pargraph about the evils of the practice and how they'd rather be dead than buy the set now.

I sure hope not! I will certainly buy the show regardless, because I am very interested in seeing these episodes for the first time. Sure, I never like to read anything about "replaced music" - and I hear the same thing happened with HAPPY DAYS, and is going to occur for Season 2 of THE ODD COUPLE, which I really love (both are distributed by Paramount) - but what's the alternative? Having cruddy-looking or incomplete syndicated episodes? No way. Fans would only be hurting themselves if they adopt a staunch "No Sale!" attitude.
post #161 of 707

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I don't have a problem with replacement music when it's done right.

My concern is with older shows that may only have the final mix soundtrack negatives and not the original separate pre-mixed dialog and music/fx tracks.
post #162 of 707

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Travis, the only thing that would prevent me from getting this one would be edited episodes. My definition of "edited" is always missing scenes/footage. Time-Compression and music issues don't prevent me from buying a set, especially this one.
post #163 of 707

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Jeff, for the record I wasn't speaking of anyone that is currently active in the thread. I'm anticpating the people who have no interest in this title but will come in to the thread just to rant and rave.
post #164 of 707

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I used to be extra anal about what was put out on DVD. I wanted uncut, original soundtrack with tons of bonus features. But as I watch the market for these shows on cable TV nearly vanish, I can't get that picky. This seems to be the only way that I'm going to see these shows on my TV. I can't remember the last time I saw the Fugitive on TV.

Now I still won't pick up WKRP because not merely did they replace the soundtrack, but they yanked out the "Hot Blooded" moment from the episode which is my favorite moment in the series. It defined - for it to not be there is too missing of a moment. It's not merely a simple joke scene that didn't really work.
post #165 of 707

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There won't be any music changes for The Fugitive. Although this series was on ABC, they use so much music from The Twilight Zone and other CBS TV and radio series from the 1950s and early 60s that it's all since become public domain. Lorne Michaels used to use that music in Saturday Night Live sketches in the late 1980s / early 90s.

The final season of The Fugitive uses a lot of music from The Outer Limits' first season, but by that time Quinn Martin was already working with composer Dominic Frontiere on other QM series such as 12 O' Clock High and The Invaders, on which Frontiere did all the music.
post #166 of 707

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Originally Posted by Jeff#
There won't be any music changes for The Fugitive.

Other than the music changes that Colin states are noted on the package. (See farther up in this thread).

Harry
post #167 of 707
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I came across these Fuge/Janssen images today. Some rarely-seen ones.....


post #168 of 707

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David VP - I trust you will be treating us to one of your patented, and much appreciated, "personal reviews" of this show?

It is because of the many positive comments that you, Gary et al have made about it that I will pick it up. I just never had the opportunity to watch it since I don't recall it running in syndication in my area.

Steve
post #169 of 707

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Originally Posted by Joe Karlosi
I sure hope not! I will certainly buy the show regardless, because I am very interested in seeing these episodes for the first time. Sure, I never like to read anything about "replaced music" - and I hear the same thing happened with HAPPY DAYS, and is going to occur for Season 2 of THE ODD COUPLE,

I have to say that while I wasn't happy to hear that Paramount was replacing some Happy Days music with generic music, I have really been enjoying season 2 on DVD.

Looking forward to The Fugitive in a big way.
post #170 of 707
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David VP - I trust you will be treating us to one of your patented, and much appreciated, "personal reviews" of this show?

Yes, I do plan to do that. Thank you.
post #171 of 707

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Wow! I leave on vacation for 2 weeks and you guys break out this thread and really heat it up. I'm very happy to see so many of you excited about this release. For those that have never seen the show, or haven't seen it in a long time - I sincerely believe you are in for a treat. This is my favorite series and I'm not alone.

I'm baffled as to the "music" issues. I know this show inside and out, and it's hard for me to believe there would be any music clearance problems. As some of you have stated, it's almost got to be some interior song in a saloon or something like that. But I pray to the Lord they didn't change any of the standard music, some of which was used on the Twilight Zone. The background music gives the show great effect, and I would notice a difference if they subbed any of it. But if it's one song in a bar room or something like that, I can live with it.

Gary "glad to be back amongst my friends here at HTF" O.
post #172 of 707

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Okay, I'm back from my trip and I can consult the package. Here's its disclaimers:

"Music has been changed for this home entertainment version"
"Some episodes may be edited from their original network versions"

I wish I could provide better information - ie, details about what changes may have occurred - but as I've said in the past, this was my first exposure to The Fugitive so I wouldn't/didn't recognize any alterations. Sorry I can't say more!
post #173 of 707

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
Here's its disclaimers:

"Music has been changed for this home entertainment version"
"Some episodes may be edited from their original network versions"
I find it weird that it's listed as the music HAS been changed but the episodes MAY be edited. Hopefully, they're putting the edit disclaimer on there as a way to cover themselves if some weird random edit occurs. In other words, as far as they know these are complete episodes but in case they're wrong, they put that on there so they can say "Hey, we warned you."
post #174 of 707

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I'm wondering if perhaps there are a few episodes along the way where footage has just disappeared and they might have to resort to a syndicated version as all that's available.

Or maybe it's just to cover themselves with the deletion of stuff like previews of next week, bumpers, etc.

Harry
post #175 of 707

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
Okay, I'm back from my trip and I can consult the package. Here's its disclaimers:

"Music has been changed for this home entertainment version"
"Some episodes may be edited from their original network versions"

I wish I could provide better information - ie, details about what changes may have occurred - but as I've said in the past, this was my first exposure to The Fugitive so I wouldn't/didn't recognize any alterations. Sorry I can't say more!


You can, however, time the episodes. If they run around 50 or so minutes, they should be complete and not sped up. If they run 46:30 then they are the Worldvision timesped versions.
post #176 of 707

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Here's the running times on the episodes:

5050
5120
5124
5112
5121
5121
5123
5114
5124
5124
5124
5112
5124
5124
5145

now back to reviewing it for insidepulse
post #177 of 707

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I'm wondering whether they've started just slapping those warnings on everything just to cover their behinds.
post #178 of 707

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I'm wondering whether they've started just slapping those warnings on everything just to cover their behinds.

I checked a couple other Paramount TV releases. Bosom Buddies has the same disclaimers, but Hogan's Heroes and Streets of SF don't. Were there any reports that Bosom Buddies was altered/edited?
post #179 of 707

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Originally Posted by Colin Jacobson
I checked a couple other Paramount TV releases. Bosom Buddies has the same disclaimers, but Hogan's Heroes and Streets of SF don't. Were there any reports that Bosom Buddies was altered/edited?
The theme song was yanked.
post #180 of 707

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There's a dispute about whether the Bosom Buddies theme used on the original run ("My Life") was the originally intended one or the one that has been heard since.
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