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post #31 of 793
11/22/06 at 12:25pm

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

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Originally Posted by Dave W
Yes - The information available so far is that the PS3 will not currently scale any content although Sony has said that a future patch should allow for this. So if your game is 720p and your TV is 720p then you are o.k. However if your TV is 1080i/p and your game is 720p it will only display in 480p. The same has been confirmed for Blu Ray content as well (all current releases are 1080p). This means that if your display is 720p then Blu Ray movies will be downsized to 480p during playback. So to correctly display both games and movies, your display must have an input capable of all resolutions 480p/720p/1080i/p or some "sources" will be downrezed.

Another alternative is (assuming your display supports mutiple resolutions but, on different inputs) to hook up the PS3 to a 480p input for movies or content off SD/CF/MS cards, unhook/rehook it up to a 720p input for games and unhook/rehook it to a 1080i/p input for movies. Hope that helps...

Well, I'm must admit that I'm quite new to all this HD stuff! But, I've seen a HDTV that I'm tempted to buy, and it says:

HDTV ready – 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i

What would it mean exactly if I connect my PS3 to it? If I get a HDMI cable and plug the PS3 directly to my TV, wouldn't it play correctly except if the game or movie is in 1080p? If the game is in 720p, wouldn't it show correctly on the TV? And as for Blu-Ray movie, how would it be shown? I'm not sure I understand this resolution on different inputs thing? I thought that the TV would be able to recognize the signal and select the right one? Am I wrong? Sorry if I sound so newbie in all this...
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post #32 of 793
11/22/06 at 1:24pm

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

Brian,

If your TV can't natively display 720p, the PS3 would downconvert Resistance to 480p. If your TV supports 720p, you get 720p, or maybe your TV will upscale for you automatically with a 720p input. Not all HDTV's handle things the same way. If you have a newer TV, it's probably a non-issue. Based on the setup I did with a Cox HD cable box, my (old) HDTV won't handle 720p from component. Were it pulling it in off the air, or via DirecTV through its built-in tuner, it would upscale to 1080i. Does 480p and 1080i natively.

I just have basic cable, and I run it through my iScan for 480p display, rather than letting the TV upscale it to 1080i, even though it does a fair job of it. I just prefer the more film-like look of the iScan, and the fact it eliminates jaggies for the most part. Not that you needed to know that. But, as others have pointed out, if you had a very sophisticated sytem such as an iScan HD working for you you could work around this PS3 shortcoming (which may be eliminated in the future anyway) by letting the processor upscale the 720p image to 1080i for the display. But only people who already have this gear and have been using it will do this. Too expensive to do just for the PS3.

Riouxda,

You'd have no issues whatsoever with that TV, nor would most who buying a new HDTV as far as I know. You'd set the PS3 to output 1080i, since that's what your TV supports. BANG, DONE! 1080p games and BD movies will display at 1080i.

Games like Resistance that are only 720p will display at 720p. I don't know the interface of the PS3 at all, but I assume it switches modes automatically in this case. The TV should automatically sync to 720p when it gets that signal.

Standard DVD's will display at 480p. No upscaling. Though you might want to try the upscaling of the TV. I don't know how much the scaling engines in TVs have improved over the years. I always run 480p, but if I had a larger display, upscaling (of high quality) would be worth considering.
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post #33 of 793
11/22/06 at 5:49pm

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

As Grant said, most newer HDTV's will support 480p/720p/1080i/p with no problems. So...
riouxda, the PS3 should look great and you should not have any problems on that TV.
Brian Kaz Yes, this discussion refers to HDMI output from the PS3 and this problem only occurs on displays that do not accept 720p or 1080i/p and you display obviously does.

From what I understand (latest write up was on IGN) this issue mainly affects older HDTV sets that were 480/1080 only and sets that were 720p only and offered no internal scaling - which was a surprising number of displays a few years ago. Hope that helps - Sorry if I didn't clarify enough in the original post.
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post #34 of 793
11/23/06 at 12:51am

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

Hey guys, I just finished watching the bundled in blu ray disc they give you with the ps3 and I am not sure the downscaling thing is right. I have a sony 42a10 (720p native) and during the movie it displayed at 1080i. I believe/hope that the only downscaling problem is with crt that are 1080i. I am gonna be ticked if games that are 1080p get downscaled to 480p...well actually I believe that NBA game sony put out is in 1080p and at Best Buy the monitor said 720p...let me go down load the demo and check.

BTW the guy playing resistance in 720p, the game was made in 720p. They couldn't get a steady frame rate at 1080p even though they initially said thats what it would ship using (hmm another sony lie lol???)

Ill post back after I download the demo

thanks
Troy
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post #35 of 793
11/23/06 at 5:36am

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

I'm having the blacker then black issues. Also experiencing audio dropouts with dobby digital. Audio is fine with DTS.
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post #36 of 793
11/24/06 at 6:04pm

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

Troy, only 720p material would be downscaled on those sets.

1080p (which is what all blu-ray discs are) would not be affected, other than being 1080i if that's all the set can handle. 1080 sources would NOT be downscaled.

The main thing to remember is the PS3 can't UPSCALE. Hence 720 material is displayed at 480 rather than upscaled to 1080, again, IF the TV can't handle the 720p signal itself.
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post #37 of 793
11/25/06 at 10:12am

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

I'm also fairly impressed with the Blu Ray playback on the PS3!

I had the first Samsung player - returned it within 2 days!

What I like:

- Very-fast loading, alot faster than HD-DVD (thus far) anyway

- Picture via HDMI *rivals* HD-DVD

(Sorry, but I watched "King Kong" last night on my RCA HD-DVD player and I don't think it can get any better than that....)

- Doesn't lose HDMI synch/connection while switching to other sources (via HDMI switcher)

Everything is being displayed on a 106" Screen via my Panasonic AE900U PJ and I love it!
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post #38 of 793
11/25/06 at 7:01pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

I had a PS3 shipped to me from Canada because I didn't believe Sony about their promise of regions and open games. I hooked up my PS3 to my Sony TV via the D4 connector and it looks amazing. I only have Talladega Nights which came with the system and Fantastic Four that I bought here at Tsutaya. Both work perfectly so the region thing isn't a problem. I am still a little bit worried about it though because movies are released about a month or 2 later here (sometimes longer) than they are in North America so I am not sure if this region thing is going to last considering how paranoid the studios are about their products being sold where there is not an official release. At least I dont have to worry about Downrezzing because you are not allowed to implement the ICT in Japanese releases until 2011. Anyway I haven't had a problem using the connectors that I used with my PS2. I am waiting for the new receivers to come out to buy so I haven't been able to get the full quality audio using my now outmoded DTS ES Discrete system. I hope to test some games later today.
If you have any questions about the Japanese release or anything just ask.
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post #39 of 793
11/25/06 at 9:28pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

Hey Mark B, from reading ya post sounds like youre in Japan. What part of Japan are you in? PM and lets talk, Im out in Japan also.
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post #40 of 793
11/25/06 at 9:47pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

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Anyone else having blacker-than-black issues like Robert?

Stacey Spears just reported on AVS Forum that the PS3 clips below black and above white.
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post #41 of 793
11/28/06 at 8:07am

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

I have to ask
Is the Japanese version any different than the US version in terms of display languages onscreen or what is included ?

Thanks
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post #42 of 793
11/28/06 at 7:51pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

I got the PS3 20GB and am about to watch Superman Returns BD (it'll be my baby's 1st film) I bought in Target earlier. (Refuse to watch Talladega Nights - 1st should be something special )

Am also a proud owner of PS2. My >7 years old Sony DVP-S550D is my very 1st DVD player ever (still working flawlessly! Bought Ronin DVD even before I bought that Sony player).
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post #43 of 793
11/28/06 at 9:11pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

Finally got my PS3 in yesterday from Costco and watched a short portion of Superman Returns (plane crash scene) and downloaded a couple trailers from their online service. So far I'm loving it as a Blu-ray player. The unit is so quite and starts up really quickly. Now if I could just find some games that I like....
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post #44 of 793
11/28/06 at 10:07pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

I got one yesterday at Wal-mart, but I don't have any Blu-ray titles to watch (I'm not planning on keeping Talledega Nights). There is nothing that is "must see" for me at the moment. I wish they had done better with The Fifth Element and House of Flying Daggers. I'm sure I will rent something soon. I am concerned about the clipping reports so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
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post #45 of 793
11/30/06 at 6:53pm

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

For just BD movies, any reason one should consider the 60 gig version over the more affordable player?

Guys, I'm almost tempted to bite and get this thing. I could feed the 1080i signal to my 720P projector for the time being until a good 720P downscaling option becomes available.

I know it does Dolby True HD as LPCM over HDMI. Does it also decode DTS lossless or just the DTS core?
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post #46 of 793
12/1/06 at 5:12am

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

Is anyone connecting their PS3 using HDMI -> DVI? I'm wondering if it has the same colorspace issue as the Toshiba HD-DVD player.
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post #47 of 793
12/1/06 at 1:44pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

It sounds like there is a firmware update coming this month that will address the clipping issues:

(Quote taken from avsforum.com)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...09#post9046609

Post #1384:

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The color space of RGB is different than that of YCrCb, so some colors coming from YCrCb may not be valid in the RGB color space, at least that is my current understanding. Therefore, when converting you have to pick a close color, not an exact one. I can't tell you how noticeable it would be.

Currently, the PS3 only offers RGB output. Since most displays expect YCrCb over HDMI, blacker-than-black (BTB) and peak white values are crushed, and some loss of shadow detail results. The updated software with YCrCb output should address this issue.
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post #48 of 793
12/1/06 at 6:43pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

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Originally Posted by wolfyncsu7
It sounds like there is a firmware update coming this month that will address the clipping issues:

(Quote taken from avsforum.com)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...09#post9046609

Post #1384:

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The color space of RGB is different than that of YCrCb, so some colors coming from YCrCb may not be valid in the RGB color space, at least that is my current understanding. Therefore, when converting you have to pick a close color, not an exact one. I can't tell you how noticeable it would be.

Currently, the PS3 only offers RGB output. Since most displays expect YCrCb over HDMI, blacker-than-black (BTB) and peak white values are crushed, and some loss of shadow detail results. The updated software with YCrCb output should address this issue.
I've had it for over a week now and it looks great on my Samsung 56" 720p DLP. The only thing is I hope they resolve the issue so it outputs BD@720p over HDMI, instead of 1080i and having my monitor scale rescale it...Yes, it looks great, but I think native resolution would still be better.
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post #49 of 793
12/1/06 at 6:57pm

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
For just BD movies, any reason one should consider the 60 gig version over the more affordable player?

Guys, I'm almost tempted to bite and get this thing. I could feed the 1080i signal to my 720P projector for the time being until a good 720P downscaling option becomes available.

I know it does Dolby True HD as LPCM over HDMI. Does it also decode DTS lossless or just the DTS core?
I went for the 20Gb version. For movies there is no reason to go for the 60Gb version, and if ever comes a time when you need more space, Sony shows you how to swap out harddrives in the instruction manual for a larger one (without voiding your warranty).

I also have a 720p 56" DLP so was a bit dissapointed to find out it outputs BD movies at 1080i, but it still looks amazing and hopefully this will be an issue Sony will resolve in the near future.

No DTS Lossless support...yet. Sony says they will also add it later if demand is high enough, but I'm not sure why that wouldn't be the case?
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post #50 of 793
12/2/06 at 6:16am

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

I finally got the monster 60GB in BB 2 days ago.

PS3 is awesome! Blu Ray, SACD and oh video games ...

20GB is going to my brother ... now all I need is a Sony Bravia XBR or Sharp Aquous or Toshiba Regza 1080p LCD TV with 10 HDMIs .
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post #51 of 793
12/3/06 at 12:40pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

My add-on X Box HDDVD (with King Kong) arrived yesterday. I still dont' have the premium core system (waiting for another great deal to come around again - should've bought the free Football deal in Target or with $40 coupon in CC?). I can't wait to see if it is going to be as good as PS3's magnificently stunning PQ (watched SR and XMen, played some of my SACDs and couple of games so far.) Ordered some BD and HDDVD in amazon and Buy. WOW, PS3 should be up there with iPod as two of the best and coolest gadget/electronics of the 21st century. I am definitely going to keep my 20 GB (giving it to my brother) and 60 GB PS3s. It's PQ definitely blew away or as good as the very best of the ones I've seen in my HD DirecTv lately (e.g, HP Goblet, U2 concert in Italy, The Siege, Off the Map). I'll stick to the plan of just saving the money for a 1080p Sony/Sharp 42-60" LCD TV (i.e, I would no longer buy the stand alone Sony BD and Toshiba X-HDDVD players).
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post #52 of 793
12/3/06 at 1:01pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

Got my 60GB yesterday at the Sony Playstation store at the Metreon in San Francisco. Apparently they got in a HUGE shipment as there were easily over 100 people in line and everyone got one (mostly 60GB's too). I picked up Resistance and Superman Returns (Blu-Ray) and have LXG (Blu-Ray) or order. I plan to hook it up later today to test it out. I wasn't planning on being able to get a unit until late Spring at the earliest due to my experience with the 360 last year. I lucked out and got a unit just before Christmas but had to wait outside in below-zero temperatures for well over an hour. I didn't see a 360 for purchase at a store after that point until late March. For my new PS3, I just happened to be in the city that day and happened to check out the Metreon (with the intention of playing with the new stand-alone Blu-Ray player) at the Sony Style store.

Now I can cancel my reservation for my Sony Blu-Ray player since it isn't HDMI V1.3 and the PS3 is.
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post #53 of 793
12/3/06 at 10:57pm

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

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Has anyone been able to confirm or deny that the PS3 passes blacker than black?

Well, for DVD playback it doesn't seem to: the darkest outer bar in the Digital Video Essentials test is missing. The disc says if that happens then the player is "clipping" (crushing?) it. It still looks loads better than the Samsung. Now this may be just for DVD playback, it seems to use a different decoder for BD playback.

It's not quite true that it won't upscale anything. MPEG1 clips I had on CD-R were played in 720P mode on my TV. It will also convert 44.1KHz CD PCM to 48KHz.
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post #54 of 793
12/3/06 at 11:11pm

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

Another cool feature:

Annoyingly, the Samsung will either pass PCM or Bitstream thru the HDMI, but not both. So if you say put a 5.1 PCM title and switch to a Dolby Digital track, you have to rely on the Samsung's onboard decoder, which can't do different playback modes and downgrades the 6.1 DTS track on "X-Men" to 5.1. If you switch to bitstream, the 5.1 PCM tracks come out plain stereo.

Not so with the PS3!

I set my HDMI output to "Bitstream" and my Onkyo TX-SR803 receiver is HDMI 1.1 compliant. It WILL pass thru the PCM 5.1 as PCM 5.1! It will also decode the SACD tracks to multichannel PCM at 88.2KHz sampling rate! Apparently the PS3 is smart enough to know my receiver is not 1.3 compliant so it pre-decodes the SACD bitstream. I have no Dolby TrueHD discs yet, so I can't test this theory.

One reason I'm happy my receiver is allowed to decode the native Dolby and DTS streams is DTS-ES support, and THX modes available on both. THX is not supported on PCM, however it does allow Cinema Eq.

The audio menu allows you to check off all supported modes, in my case I checked:

Dolby Digital
DTS
2 channel PCM (44.1KHz thru 192KHz, you have to check all the supported modes, 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 192)
5.1 channel PCM (48KHz thru 96KHz...SACD plays back at 88.2KHz)

there are 7.1 versions of the settings but according to my manual the 803 doesn't support 7.1 thru HDMI, and I'm not sure how to test that.
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post #55 of 793
12/4/06 at 6:01am

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

Is there any downside to leaving the PS3 set to 'PCM' to do all the decoding (Is that pretty much what is going on if you do leave it set to output 'PCM'?). I may have to try what PeterTHX is saying by setting the output to 'Bitstream' if it still passes the Uncompressed PCM tracks straight through.

I just bought a Yamaha RX-V2700 which is supposed to have some really nice decoders inside for Dolby Digital/DTS and I may be better off having it do the decoding for those.

Anybody tried this with their receiver or have any suggestions?
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post #56 of 793
12/4/06 at 9:14am

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

Joe, leaving it set to "PCM" means you're relying on the PS3's internal decoder and you miss out on DTS 6.1, Dolby EX, and all the internal processing (bass management, eq, etc) that your receiver supports. In my case, all of that plus THX processing. PCM 5.1 is passed thru unmolested on "bitstream"!
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post #57 of 793
12/4/06 at 11:18am

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

My two cents:

As a Blu-Ray player (the primary reason for my purchase), the PS3 looks and sounds great! Also quite pleased that it is HDMI 1.3 for the passing of lossless audio formats (which will matter when I pick up a new receiver which can decode such formats). Up to this point, I can't say the same about the quality of gaming and the online experience (as compared to Xbox Live on the 360), but I'm sure things will get better with time. I had some pretty high hopes for "Resistance: Fall of Man". While I've only played it a bit (and it is indeed fun), it doesn't look anywhere near the quality of what I was expecting.
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post #58 of 793
12/5/06 at 1:47pm

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

Peter,

I will try this, but what if discs start coming out in TrueHD or Sony releases a firmware upgrade to internally decode DTS-HD MA? I'll have to go back to sending out 'PCM', right? Or is there an option for each type of soundtrack?
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post #59 of 793
12/5/06 at 2:27pm

Re: PS3 Blu Ray Playback... First Impressions

Right. what would be cool is if you could designate a different protocol for each type of bitstream... or at least by category.

Such as:

Legacy DTS and DD streams: bitstream (so your decoder can do processing)
Advanced audio codecs (True HD and DTS-master): LPCM
LPCM: LPCM (naturally)
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post #60 of 793
12/5/06 at 2:29pm

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

Got my PS3 over the weekend and have been playing Resistance, but haven't picked up any Blu Ray movies yet.
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