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post #151 of 793
1/10/07 at 9:45am

Re: Official PS3 Blu-Ray Player thread

I just finally cracked open the PS3 thats been sitting in my room for months to sell since Nov 17th. And my parents got a new Sharp Aquos 1080p tv. Hooked it up to the TV via HDMI to watch Talledega Nights, and was blown away how frickin razor sharp it was. Now I just gotta buy some games and some more Blu-Rays.

BTW, what would be some killer apps avaiable to show off the TV?
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post #152 of 793
1/10/07 at 9:55am

Re: Playstation 3,.... well who's got one?

I have mine hooked to a Samsung 55" DLP". with HDMI no flicker on my TV.
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post #153 of 793
1/10/07 at 7:21pm

Re: Official PS3 Blu-Ray Player thread

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet
PS3 can go upways or sideways. It's curved though so you can't stack another component on top of it.

It has HDMI 1.3 which futureproofs you for deep color and advanced auido in native compressed form to your future decoder.

Yes, if you don't have HDMI on your recevier the best audio you'll get over the (optical) SPDIF output right now is DTS 1500 data rate from DTS-HD streams and DD 640 rate from DD+ or D THD streams.

With LPCM titles, the player will downfold the signal to 2 channel in native resolution over SPDIF. You can then playback in stereo or via ProLogic. That sounds primitive, but it actually can sound BETTER than lossly codecs in multi-channel!

I don't think that the PS3 will do 5.1 analog ouptut from internally decoded advanced audio streams. However, our need for that is only temporary as our next receiver (both you and me) will be HDMI.

Thanks for the input. Do I want bitstream as a default since I will be using optical/SPDIF?

Also, will the player still downfold the signal to 2 channel in native resolution with LPCM titles over SPDIF with bitstream set in the player?
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post #154 of 793
1/10/07 at 8:03pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

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Thanks for the input. Do I want bitstream as a default since I will be using optical/SPDIF?

Yes.

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Also, will the player still downfold the signal to 2 channel in native resolution with LPCM titles over SPDIF with bitstream set in the player?

All titles (Sony, Disney, Lionsgate) that have multichannel PCM also have Dolby Digital 5.1 tracks as well.
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post #155 of 793
1/10/07 at 8:06pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

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BTW, what would be some killer apps avaiable to show off the TV?

Off the top of my head:

Ice Age: The Meltdown
Fantastic Four
Pearl Harbor
Black Hawk Down
Mission Impossible III
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post #156 of 793
1/10/07 at 8:54pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

Thanks, Peter.

I've been experimenting with the THX Optimizer of T2 (BD) tonight. It seems to be inaccurate (wow, big surprise )...

Are there any kind of calibration sources to use - namely for color decoding? I'm trying to calibrate red and green in particular.

We really need a Blu-ray DVE or Avia (or something).
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post #157 of 793
1/10/07 at 11:16pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

Talladega is NOTHING. Wait until you see Kingdom of heaven, blackhawk down. Makes Talladgea look SD by comparison.

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post #158 of 793
1/11/07 at 6:46am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

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Are there any kind of calibration sources to use - namely for color decoding? I'm trying to calibrate red and green in particular.

We really need a Blu-ray DVE or Avia (or something).

Well, until they're ready, for now I used the SD DVD of "DVE" to set the HDMI input of the PS3. Beforehand it looked too much like my TV was set on "movie" (too dark) or "vivid" (too bright/colorful). Of course, make sure the Image Enhancement SD DVD settings are turned OFF.

It worked! Using the recommended SD DVD settings of DVE worked for BD discs as well! The grain of titles like "X-Men: The Last Stand" or "Click" was distracting before...and now the grain was natural and unobtrusive for a smooth, filmlike image with plenty of shadow detail. Titles like "Black Hawk Down", "Ice Age: The Meltdown", and "Million Dollar Baby" took on a new dimensionality. Games look better too.
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post #159 of 793
1/11/07 at 6:59am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

Well, last night I got my PS3 fully hooked up with the Blue Tooth remote. All in all, it's quite nice. I really like how fast the unit is with menu selections, navigation, etc. I was also quite pleasantly surprised at the included coupon book included which gives me $10 off a BD from each studio ($70 off in total).

I've only watched a few clips from several movies (which I plan to watch completely this weekend) which include Terminator 2, Talladega Nights, and Black Hawk Down.

Terminator was ok (though I wasn't shocked as I read the reviews beforehand), but it is definitely a clear improvement over the "Extreme" SD DVD. The image is sharper, more detailed and film like - color rendition seems more natural.

Talladega looked pretty decent.

But, Black Hawk Down just looked shockingly good. I mean the amount of detail and resolution was phenomenal. Wow.

Also, watching the Sony trailer and seeing clips of Spider-man II ---- I really hope this is released this year!

I should be getting in some Netflix titles this week.

(My display is a a well calibrated and ISF'd 57" Sony CRT RPTV KP-57WS520)
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post #160 of 793
1/11/07 at 7:04am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

Regarding the PS3 480p output....

I've considered using this as my SD DVD player, as well. On a subjective and objective level, the image looks pretty solid. Good color, no YC delay, fairly sharp image, good resolution on the Avia 200MHX pattern. I have found RGB is required for me to get correct color decoding (not surprising since I have a CRT).

I ran the PS3 through some of the HQV deinterlacing tests and it did ok with the jaggies tests and the waving flag, but failed the film detail test (never locked for me) and the 3:2 24fps test (banding on coffee cup, etc.).
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post #161 of 793
1/11/07 at 7:05am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

One more thing: has anyone encountered a glitch when stopping playback on a DVD or BD? I pressed stop - went to the PS3 asking me if I wanted to exit - I selected "yes," and instead of returning me to the PS3 menu it just went blank. Just happened once so far.
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post #162 of 793
1/11/07 at 3:02pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

Haven't seen that Dave. The PS3 I have has performed flawlessly so far.

Audio question (older receiver doesn't have hdmi)...

PS3 > hdmi > TV > optical > Receiver

Would there be any problems with that?
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post #163 of 793
1/11/07 at 11:03pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

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Originally Posted by BrettB
Haven't seen that Dave. The PS3 I have has performed flawlessly so far.

Audio question (older receiver doesn't have hdmi)...

PS3 > hdmi > TV > optical > Receiver

Would there be any problems with that?

Nope, not one bit. There are separate options for both.

You just won't get sound from the TV: activating the optical shuts off the HDMI sound.
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post #164 of 793
1/11/07 at 11:04pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

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Originally Posted by Dave H
One more thing: has anyone encountered a glitch when stopping playback on a DVD or BD? I pressed stop - went to the PS3 asking me if I wanted to exit - I selected "yes," and instead of returning me to the PS3 menu it just went blank. Just happened once so far.

Well, it's a computer. I've had to "reboot" it once, locked up on a fast search.
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post #165 of 793
1/12/07 at 6:58am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

A couple of questions:

1. I'm on the verge of buying an HDMI receiver to take advantage of the advanced audio. Will connecting my display (CRT RPTV) via HDMI to the receiver degrade the image at all as compared to directly connecting my display to PS3 as I have it today? Or, does it depend on the receiver? I'm looking at buying the Onkyo SR804. I'm with analog or component, it was recommended to always directly connect the cable from the player to the display instead of having it connected to an intermediate device.

I suspect "no," since the video signal sent is digital and not analog with the HDMI cable.

2. I have heard there are some PS3 HDMI handshake issues using 1080p with some receivers including the one I'm looking at. Are these likely to be resolved with firmware updates? My display is 1080i - so no worries, but I'm thinking about the future when I do go 1080p.
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post #166 of 793
1/12/07 at 8:41am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

Dave, I don't know about everyone else, but me personally, I'm going to wait until HDMI 1.3 is in both receivers and TVs before upgrading. Right now the PS3 is about the only 1.3 device available (I think there's one TV). I too need to upgrade to 1080p capability and want to hear the new TrueHD/DTS Master tracks. But I only want to upgrade once. I've had my TV for 7 years and my receiver for 3. I usually upgrade about every 5-7 years. But if I were to buy now, I know I'd be tempted to upgrade again in 6-12 months, whenever 1.3 became prevalent in consumer devices.

Upgrading to 1.3 requires a hardware change, not firmware, so if you buy a receiver that supports 1.1 or 1.2, no firmware update will get you to 1.3.
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post #167 of 793
1/12/07 at 9:13am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX
Nope, not one bit. There are separate options for both.

You just won't get sound from the TV: activating the optical shuts off the HDMI sound.

Yeah, that didn't work. An unforseen issue I have is that my receiver only has one set of DVD/LD inputs that I have my DVDR connected to via dig coax. I guess the DVDR is going to a bedroom.
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post #168 of 793
1/12/07 at 9:36am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

I'm also waiting for HDMI 1.3 before upgrading my audio gear. As Carlo explained, you can't upgrade to 1.3 via firmware...it's a hardware issue. So since we know that 1.3 is the next-big-thing for home-audio and video, makes sense to wait just a few more months.

BTW, one thing HDMI will do for audiophile with SACD is allow native DSD digital auido into the receiver without conversion to PCM which can degrade the sound. The PS3 should support this native DSD-output to an HDMI 1.3 audio decoder in the future.
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post #169 of 793
1/12/07 at 11:31am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

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Originally Posted by Carlo Medina
I'm going to wait until HDMI 1.3 is in both receivers and TVs before upgrading.
But if your TV dies, or there is any other reason, I don't think you should wait to replace it. There isn't much, in practice, that HDMI 1.3 will offer your TV.


Cees
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post #170 of 793
1/12/07 at 11:38am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

No, if you're upgrading out of necessity, do it now. 1.3 may not be commonplace until late 2007 and that's a long time to go without a set.

But if it's a luxury upgrade, I'd definitely wait.
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post #171 of 793
1/12/07 at 11:45am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

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But if your TV dies, or there is any other reason, I don't think you should wait to replace it. There isn't much, in practice, that HDMI 1.3 will offer your TV.

Quite so. "Deep color" is the only thing that HDMI 1.3 will add for your TV set... which may or may not make a difference with BD and HD DVD media (more to be used for videogames though it might enhance movie-playback slightly on a few futureplayers).

The real advantage of HDMI 1.3 has to do with audio features and how to get proprietary audio bit-streams from your player to your decoder in native form.
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post #172 of 793
1/12/07 at 12:21pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

Don't underestimate the benefit of "deep color" which supposedly takes care of color banding. Banding is the one remaining weakness that I can easily spot with the naked eye on many commercial sets, and if it indeed is taken care of by 1.3 (and the accompanying technologies), then for me it is worth the wait.
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post #173 of 793
1/12/07 at 1:35pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

Banding is indeed one of the last issues keeping my HD images from sometimes passing the "true film" test. Ice-Age 2 had some distracting banding and I've seen it on other live-action HD content as well.
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post #174 of 793
1/12/07 at 3:42pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

well i was afraid it was just me.
i see banding too.
saw it last night on lady in the water
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post #175 of 793
1/12/07 at 6:19pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

If you create .gif files on as regular basis, you'll probably know how it looks in it's worst form.
In this respect the benefit of deep colour should certainly not be underestimated, I agree.

But I carefully used the words "in practice". That's not because HDMI 1.3 isn't there yet, but because deep colour isn't used in any way in current HR DVDs, nor in HD broadcasts!

There's a theoretical possibility that it could be used in processing of the image (e.g. by the player or the TV), but there's no practical application on the market anywhere, at the moment (AFAIK)!


Cees
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post #176 of 793
1/12/07 at 8:39pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

HDMI 1.3 benefits video games apparently.
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post #177 of 793
1/12/07 at 9:36pm

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Will HDMI 1.3 receivers be anymore expensive than current HDMI receivers? I mean how much extra (if anything) are the costs likely to be?
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post #178 of 793
1/12/07 at 11:44pm

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

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Will HDMI 1.3 receivers be anymore expensive than current HDMI receivers? I mean how much extra (if anything) are the costs likely to be?

Just speculation on my part: probably.

They will decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, probably SACD and DVD-Audio on certain models. Kind of like when Dolby Digital AC-3 was first introduced back in 1995: only top of the line stuff had it.
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post #179 of 793
1/13/07 at 12:01am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

BD and HD DVD formats don't have specs that incorporate Deep-color from the start. But when the player decodes the compressed video stream, it's often decoded into a color-space with greater resolution than the current HDMI protocol. What happens now is that this high-bit-depth image is then "dithered" down for HDMI transmission... which can accentuate banding.

So, in theory, allowing the BD or HD DVD player to transmit the high-bit-depth image directly, even though it wasn't recorded in deep-color to begin with, could still improve upon the subjective image we see on our displays.

Sort of like a 16 bit CD that's decoded into 24 bit DSP by a CD player. If that signal could be transmitted as 24 bit to the outboard decoder, chances are it would sound better than if the CD player was forced to re-dither back to 16 bits before digital output.
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post #180 of 793
1/13/07 at 1:31am

Re: Official Playstation 3 Blu-Ray player Thread

ps3 is everywhere at my walmart.
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