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post #91 of 188

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Originally Posted by Jeffery_H
For those few that liked it, maybe you will get some episodes, but most likely it will feel like John Doe without closure.

As mentioned above, this was designed as a 13 episode arc, to fill the time until Lost returns. It should have all the closure we need, if they air all 13 online.
post #92 of 188

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Teh reason the episode is unavailable at abc.com is because they have not cleared the music rights to show it online ..or so the story goes.

We'll be lucky if the rest of the episodes make it out. Un-friggin-believable. They find a way to mess with viewers by canceling a show that actually has a conclusion.

The other thing I've heard is -- we only get to see Hopper resolving this scenario..the reasons behind why the whole thing is happening will not be revealed in the final episode. I'm sure they wanted to leave that open in case this show was a hit, so they could spin it off with another actor.
post #93 of 188

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Ugh! This is total mismanagement and piss-poor handling by the ABC ninkompoops!

May the felas of a thousand camels infest their armpits!
post #94 of 188

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Originally Posted by Rakesh.S
Teh reason the episode is unavailable at abc.com is because they have not cleared the music rights to show it online ..or so the story goes....
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....eak_downe.html
Weird...
post #95 of 188

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Well, at least we know why there is a delay in the show appearing online. I find it hard to believe that ABC could have messed up so much, but it seems they are surpassing everyone's expectations.

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The other thing I've heard is -- we only get to see Hopper resolving this scenario..the reasons behind why the whole thing is happening will not be revealed in the final episode. I'm sure they wanted to leave that open in case this show was a hit, so they could spin it off with another actor.

So, we should find out everything to do with Hopper's situation, but not why/how his day was repeating. That really sounds like all we could expect from 13 episodes as Hopper's situation appears so convoluted in any case.

Neil
post #96 of 188

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It'd be great if ABC wound up losing more by not showing the episodes. Don't they have breach of contract issues with advertisers who contracted to have the show air, showing their ads. Then ABC goes and pulls the show. Seems to me, they would have to renumerate those clients who already paid for the ad spots.
post #97 of 188

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Networks have viewer number levels for advertising rates, and if the show is under-performing, and can't deliver the viewer eyeballs for the ads, then the network has to come up with ways to compensate for the lack of viewers (either by partial refunds, or a discount on future ads on other shows).

ABC cut their losses by taking this show off the air. There is surely some behind-the-scenes give-and-take for other programming and the ad rates negotiated between the advertisers and the network. It's an on-going thing.
post #98 of 188

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It's not listed at ABC streaming at all anymore. That doesn't inspire confidence.
post #99 of 188

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Day Broke.
post #100 of 188

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Any word on when these episodes may hit the web?
post #101 of 188

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they probably won't...abc doesn't care.
post #102 of 188

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Not much money in putting them on the web - I imagine they'd be much more valuable if they sold the "rerun" right to Spike/USA/Sci-Fi/TNT, or released a "complete series" DVD set.
post #103 of 188

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Originally Posted by Jason Seaver
Not much money in putting them on the web - I imagine they'd be much more valuable if they sold the "rerun" right to Spike/USA/Sci-Fi/TNT, or released a "complete series" DVD set.

The thing that they lose by not putting them on the web is the trust of all the viewers who they told that they'd put them on the web. Who is going to believe anything that ABC says if they don't follow through? People are getting more reluctant to follow series that they feel will get abandoned by the networks.

Neil
post #104 of 188

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Originally Posted by NeilO
The thing that they lose by not putting them on the web is the trust of all the viewers who they told that they'd put them on the web. Who is going to believe anything that ABC says if they don't follow through? People are getting more reluctant to follow series that they feel will get abandoned by the networks.

Neil

This is what people say, but they will come back and watch a show if it is good. No one follows through with these boycotts.
post #105 of 188

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Originally Posted by Rakesh.S
This is what people say, but they will come back and watch a show if it is good. No one follows through with these boycotts.

Except that the viewing figures for Kidnapped, Vanished and DayBreak are a symptom of all of this. Kidnapped, at least, got great reviews, but there was still a resistance to the fear of being abandoned by the network. NBC at least did play the final episodes online and it did have a satisfying resolution.

Meanwhile, not only is the link and all mentions of Day Break gone from the ABC website, if you typed in the Day Break URL you are redirected to the main ABC webpage.

Neil
post #106 of 188

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Originally Posted by NeilO
Except that the viewing figures for Kidnapped, Vanished and DayBreak are a symptom of all of this. Kidnapped, at least, got great reviews, but there was still a resistance to the fear of being abandoned by the network.
And yet, people dove into Lost in droves and made Heroes a huge hit. While I don't think that "fear of cancellation" is something that can be completely dismissed, I think it's something that is likely to be overrepresented on message boards, just because of the self-selecting nature of the forum - fans of serials and people who follow the business end of entertainment are more likely to complain about such things than the public at large.

Kidnapped, Vanished, and Day Break all tanked, but they were all pretty flawed shows - Vanished was often over-the-top ridiculous, Day Break seems to spin its wheels by its very nature, and Kidnapped was sort of boring. It's not that their numbers started low and stayed there, but the decreased week-to-week, meaning people were tuning out. I sort of suspect that if "network distrust" was the issue, they wouldn't have had even relatively strong starts.

As to ABC not following through with putting them on the web - eh, I don't know how big a deal that really is. You'd think most people who paid attention to press releases would have learned by now that they represent current plans, not ironclad commitments.
post #107 of 188

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Fair points Jason, but the flipside also has some merit -- one of the reasons I tuned into Day Break was because of its predetermined 13 ep run. I wouldn't have held high expectations for GroundHog Day + 24 as an onrunning series, but for a 13 ep run at a time when most shows were on hiatus? It was a perfect fill in. With Friday Night Lights and Studio 60 (two of my favorite new shows) on the potential cancel list around the time Day Break premiered, the fact that it was unlikely to be cancelled *or so I thought* because of the planned limited run, was definitely attractive. I cannot say that I would not have watched it otherwise, but I definitely thought about the short planned run when I tuned in. I do feel let down that a show specifically written to have a beginning and end might not get it, even in dvd or on the web.
post #108 of 188

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Except, I'd argue, that by knowing beforehand that Day Break was a 13-episode limited series (for now), you fit in the subset I described - fans of TV who keep up with the latest developments. And that group is a highly vocal minority.
post #109 of 188

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I wasn't disagreeing with the points in your post that good shows will attract viewers and bad shows will not, no matter the existence of network distrust or not. I agree that members of this forum and dvr owners represent vocal minorities that will put more energy into their viewing decisions, or take steps to make sure a show will last before investing time in it.

But in my own experience, one of the reasons I tuned in to the show was that it had a finite arc. I feel like I was taken a bit since they didn't finish it out given that it was only 7-8 more weeks. Then, I feel taken a bit more that they indicated they would air them on the web and are not going to follow through with that. It's like checking a book out of the library without realizing the last chapter was torn out.

I was watching shows like The Nine, Smith, Love Monkey that got cancelled quickly. I was also watching shows with critical acclaim but which seem to be fighting for their lives like Friday Night Lights, Studio 60 and even Battlestar Galactica or Entourage. So now I always wonder if a show will be allowed to run its course. Then you add the experience in with Day Break and I start to get more cautious with my viewing. Maybe I am in the minority. But maybe the minority is growing each time the networks pull a series before it has a chance to catch.

I've just started The Wire, season 1 and never knew what a good show I was missing. And I work in Baltimore. Still have Rescue Me, The Shield, Oz and a couple others on that list of shows I missed. Maybe dvd is the better way to watch a series? I know I did not watch Firefly until I heard the buzz here on the forum about Serenity. Many fans of that show in hindsight wish they never saw it on air but on dvd for the first time. Times they are a changing. And maybe the networks don't care since they make money off the dvds.
post #110 of 188

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I just heard at Harris Online http://www.harrisonline.com/ in this Monday's Aaron Barnhart interview that ABC apparently has resolved the Day Break music rights issues and will be having the final episodes starting late February.

Neil
post #111 of 188

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I hope so. But I wish they wouldn't wait so long. Stillon the web, or are they gonna air them?
post #112 of 188

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Originally Posted by Qui-Gon John
I hope so. But I wish they wouldn't wait so long. Stillon the web, or are they gonna air them?

This is on the web. I don't think they have any plans to air them. Of course, if they want to just put up something to absorb air time against Idol they could air them.

Neil
post #113 of 188

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Just a reminder..the episodes are at ABC.com now.
post #114 of 188

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Thanks for pointing this out, I definitely want to see how this ends. Now if I only didn't have to watch it in a small window in 2.0 sound.
post #115 of 188

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If anyone wants to posted the ending in spoiler tags after watching, fine by me.
post #116 of 188

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Not all of the episodes are posted online yet. 7, 8, 9, and 10 are online, with 11-13 I assume appearing at once, on the 5th. Honestly, the show is really good, even the episodes that haven't aired yet. I hope they bring this to DVD sometime soon, because I'd buy it.
post #117 of 188

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Gees getting the episodes on the net took so long I can't even remember what was the last episode to air on TV?

Does anyone remember?

Thanks
post #118 of 188

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The ones in the player marked 1/29/07 are the new ones. Episode 6 was the last to air.
post #119 of 188

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Thanks for the information.
post #120 of 188

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New one put up today.
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