UFC Ongoing Thread - Page 46

Don't forget Strikeforce Carano vs. Cybort tonight.

Cyborg !!!

Sweet fight Saturday Night.

Gagard was a pleasant surprise, while I like Babaloo, Gagard was impressive. 

Cyborg, man oh man, I had seen fight only about 3 other times and while she was impressive I figured it was because the other people just weren't there.  Gina I saw fight only 1 other time, but had always heard about her power and technique.  Well, I think Cyborg fights like a man, while Gina still fights like a woman.  Granted she is one of the best but Cyborg really showed how good she is.  She's powerful, she's quick, and she can definitely take a punch.  IMO Gina needs to work on her ground game more, she had Cyborg in two bad positions that she couldn't capitolize on.  It was unfortunate as I was pulling for Gina, but a great main card and fight.  Would have liked to see it go into the third though.  I don't think Either women had the stamina to go 5 rounds though, at least not at the pace of the first round.

One of the great things about how I enjoy sporting events is I usually don't have favorites, so I'm OK with however the chips fall. Whoever wins usually deserves it, so I take it that way. There are rare exceptions, such as my hope that Couture would win out over Lesnar.

Anyway, I completely agree about Cyborg and Gina. Gina did look like a girl fighting, and Cyborg didn't. I knew there trouble ahead when Gina gave up a full mount. As for neither woman having the stamina to go 5 rounds like the first... well, neither would the vast majority of guys. There's a natural tendency to slow down as the fights wear on. Even a male fighter as famous as BJ Penn is constantly questioned on stamina.

Gina gave up that full mount becuse she was scared of the ground game of Cyborg. If you watch the fight you can see that when Cyborg goes to grab Gina's leg, Gina jumps out of the mount and goes back to the stand up. She is weak on the ground and knows it to be a strength of Cyborgs so she was going to what she thought was her best option.

Right. But how often do you see a fighter give up a full mount because he's afraid of the other fighter's ground game? I've seen all kinds of bad things happen from a half mount, but a full mount? That's usually when the countdown to "fight over" starts. You afraid of Cyborg's ground game? Fine. Neutralize it by pounding her in the face. She can either grapple at your limbs or protect her face from crushing blows. She can't do both effectively. But then, maybe Gina didn't feel should had enough to finish Cyborg. I still strongly suspect Gina was beaten mentally before she got into the ring. Gina came to spar. Cyborg came to fight.
 

I agree with you Mikah and I think in the rematch that she may fare worse. Cyborg was full of nervous energy and excitement that I haven't seen from her before. In the rematch she will be more confident and more focused.

Rematch? Can you think of a reason for a rematch other than money? Have you heard anything, or are you just assuming it has to happen since they're the biggest names in women's MMA?

I watched the fight again, paying closer attention to Gina's disposition at various points during the fight. I'll probably watch it a few more times. But Cyborg was so much stronger and faster than Gina. Even if the fight stayed off the ground, I didn't see Gina having much of chance. Why? Because everytime Gina threw a punch, she barely deterred Cyborg, and often ate a punch in return. Unlike Gina, Cyborg's punches had bad intentions. She was going for a knockout with just about every punch, and you could see Gina recoiling and wincing after each one.

That's why I say Gina was completely outclassed (she's still my girl, though). I can't see a single area where she had any hope. Not standup/striking, ground/submission, or kicking. There are people on-line I've seen who predicted this outcome as said Cyborg surpassed Gina in every category. I wasn't aware, and it took me by surprise.

If Gina hopes to have any better luck in a rematch, she needs the equivalent of Apollo Creed to break through the mental beating she took to go along with the physical one.

In other news, Chuck Liddell was officially announced as a contestant on Dancing With The Stars.

Yeah, I think that for the money there will be a rematch. And I was saying that Cyborg will be more confident and focused; I was typing fast so that may have been confusing (I'm a big Cyborg fan). And I don't think Gina would ever beat her; truthfully I think that if Gina loses again she will be in a similar situation to Urijah Faber having lost 2 to the champ and the champ having no reason to fight them again. Cyborg was destroying Gina no doubt, she is too fast and too strong and too hungry.

Just goes to show just the caliber of womens fighter that was "fed" to Gina to make her thae face of womens MMA. Now Gina may have better luck against Megumi Fuji or Yuka Tsuji but they are nowhere near her weight class.

I have no idea whom either fighter would face, I know that StikeForce is considering having a tournament to decide Cyborgs next opponent.

Edit: I forgot about Marloes Coenen, now she has the size and the ground game to potentionally submit Cyborg and got signed recently so there is that.