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post #121 of 650
12/18/06 at 7:18am

Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

I'm a long-time lurker in the forums but had to weigh in on this issue. Though I'm totally against the replacement of music or messing with the original episode at ALL, I'll admit that if the first season came out I'd buy it either way - especially if it had bonus features! Hopefully, if there is an interest and if we're vocal about the issues we have with the editing, the next season will be improved. A lot of "if's" there, I know.

If you want to chuckle at our pain, check out this comic strip about the WKRP issue at toon-it-up.com.
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post #122 of 650
12/18/06 at 10:50am

Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

Threshold is one thing - standards etc.

However, as mentioned, a complete un-changed edition - all music intact is not realistic.

So having fantasies about it, are just that, fantasies. So (again as mentioned) we can hope that the retain the most significant pieces of music, as that is the only realistic option.

Just because something is possible in one manner (technology) does not mean that it is possible in other manners (legal).

Unless the music-dvd situation is legally changed soon, whatever comes out in April will be the only version you can choose to own.
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post #123 of 650
12/19/06 at 8:18pm
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Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

[Just because something is possible in one manner (technology) does not mean that it is possible in other manners (legal).

Unless the music-dvd situation is legally changed soon, whatever comes out in April will be the only version you can choose to own.[/quote]

Exactly my point, so everyone either buy it or don't. I still feel that something is better than nothing, and for those who are boycotting in hopes that Fox will get the message and eventually release WKRP totally uncut and without any music substitutions, it is a fantasy. It will never happen with all of the bean counters over at Fox..
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post #124 of 650
12/19/06 at 9:50pm

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Some songs cannot be licensed no matter what.
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post #125 of 650
12/20/06 at 5:01pm

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Very true. For example, I don't think it's the case now, but for a long time it was simply not possible to license any Beatles recording, for any amount of money. The answer was always simply a flat "no."
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post #126 of 650
12/20/06 at 6:50pm
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Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

Everyone out there who loves WKRP, if you can afford it, do us all a favor and just go out and buy it!
That way at least we have some form of the show preserved..
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post #127 of 650
12/20/06 at 9:14pm

Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

That way at least we have some form of the show preserved
What would be preserved is only two things - a horrible mockery of a great show, and enormous profits for dvd makers who don't need to bother securing music rights cause people would buy it anyway. I'll gladly pay hundreds of dollars for any uncut seasons that make it out, but not one penny for music replacement crap.
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post #128 of 650
12/20/06 at 9:21pm

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Originally Posted by george kaplan
a horrible mockery of a great show

So, the syndicated versions people have been watching for thirty years are mockeries? If you haven't watched it since it aired in the 1970s, how do you know it's a great show?

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Originally Posted by george kaplan
enormous profits for dvd makers who don't need to bother securing music rights cause people would buy it anyway.

I highly doubt they'll be making enormous profits, given the constant failure of the other MTM shows to make a profit.

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I'll gladly pay hundreds of dollars for any uncut seasons that make it out

Really? You'd pay, say, $300 a season?
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post #129 of 650
12/21/06 at 12:04pm

Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

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So, the syndicated versions people have been watching for thirty years are mockeries?
Again, it's all about thresholds...If you never saw the originals, you wouldn't necessarily know or catch the music replacement or the cut scenes. And though there's still lots to enjoy in the syndicated versions, for those of us who saw and remember the originals, it just doesn't cut it. My thereshold is different than George's, so I probably wouldn't use that term to describe them, but I won't pay money for syndicated copies. That's not to say that's what will be released - it'll be something in between that and perfect representations of the originals. For me, it'll depend on where the released shows end up on that line between and whether they cross my threshold.

Kind of like whether or not you care about the original 2.0 soundtrack for Superman The Movie. I'm not a fan, so I likely wouldn't even notice. However, if you scan the thread about it, apparently many people do care...

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If you haven't watched it since it aired in the 1970s, how do you know it's a great show?
What?! Speak up sonny! My old and frail ears can't hear you dagnabbit! Damn memory's goin' too...Sorry, what was ya sayin'?

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post #130 of 650
12/22/06 at 6:13am

Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

So, the syndicated versions people have been watching for thirty years are mockeries?
Yep.
If you haven't watched it since it aired in the 1970s, how do you know it's a great show?
I have clear memories of the originals. It wasn't that long ago. It was late 70s/early 80s to be precise.
Really? You'd pay, say, $300 a season?
Uncut? Hell, yeah. This is one of my very favorite shows of all time (top 3 at least). I used to pay top dollar for rare music that wasn't available (e.g., a lot of what eventually came out on Beatles Anthology), and I'd gladly pay $500 for an uncut season of WKRP. I realize that isn't a marketable price for them, but then again, paying for all the music rights would never lead to a price anywhere near that high. My point is simply what value I personally place on an uncut vs. cut dvd.
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post #131 of 650
1/1/07 at 2:21pm

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Here be specs, price & extras.

The list price is $10 higher than the price of the similarly-packaged Bob Newhart Show sets (which are also three double-sided discs, and, oh, Fox, when are you gonna shed your addiction to double-sided discs?). I will hold out hope that this means they budgeted for some music licensing costs.

I was initiatlly taken aback by the lack of a commentary on "Turkeys Away" but then I saw that they have a featurette on the making of that episode. I suppose a commentary would probably just duplicate most of the information from the featurette. The episodes they're doing commentary on are the pilot and "Johnny Comes Back" (which is the one with the new DJ who's taking payola, the "Red Wigglers" jingle, and Mr. Carlson mistaking cocaine for foot powder).
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post #132 of 650
1/1/07 at 9:01pm

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I like the price, the release date (don't have any plans for any other DVD purchases that month) and the extras. Can't wait.
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post #133 of 650
1/2/07 at 12:35am

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Does anyone know why the syndi eps had to have music changed ? It was a TV show airing on TV (albeit in reruns) so it's not like a different format such as DVD. Does the original music licensing not apply even when a show is syndied ? If that's true perhaps that's one reason we've had butchered reruns of The Carol Burnett Show (Carol Burnett & Friends) forced upon us for decades now. All of the music was cut.
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post #134 of 650
1/2/07 at 5:12am

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Originally Posted by David Rain
Does anyone know why the syndi eps had to have music changed ? It was a TV show airing on TV (albeit in reruns) so it's not like a different format such as DVD.

TV airings and DVD releases are seperate and unrelated in terms of music rights. The original contracts anticipated rerunning and syndication, they didn't anticipate that thirty years later we'd be buying entire television series on a home video format.
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post #135 of 650
1/2/07 at 8:15am

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Darn... It is 2 sided discs.

Guess I just saved a lot of money. I will add this to the list of TV on DVD that I want but wont buy on double sided discs.

Good thing Netflix gets single sided versions of these titles.
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post #136 of 650
1/2/07 at 9:49am

Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

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Originally Posted by David Rain
Does anyone know why the syndi eps had to have music changed ? It was a TV show airing on TV (albeit in reruns) so it's not like a different format such as DVD. Does the original music licensing not apply even when a show is syndied ? If that's true perhaps that's one reason we've had butchered reruns of The Carol Burnett Show (Carol Burnett & Friends) forced upon us for decades now. All of the music was cut.

I believe the original music rights only applied to the network airings of the show, so new music clearances had to be negotiated for the syndication run.
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post #137 of 650
1/2/07 at 11:33am

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Does the original music licensing not apply even when a show is syndied ?

Obviously not.
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post #138 of 650
1/2/07 at 11:55am

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Originally Posted by Scott-S
Darn... It is 2 sided discs.

Guess I just saved a lot of money. I will add this to the list of TV on DVD that I want but wont buy on double sided discs.

Good thing Netflix gets single sided versions of these titles.

Yep Netflix gets all my TV On DVD 2 Sided Disk Buisness, you could have had my money fox, but no more for me, all my Fox Sets have skipped or pixilated, or wigged out on at least one episode of the set.
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post #139 of 650
1/2/07 at 1:15pm

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Guess I just saved a lot of money. I will add this to the list of TV on DVD that I want but wont buy on double sided discs.

It also makes it very easy for people with Netflix to not buy this...If you catch my meaning.
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post #140 of 650
1/2/07 at 9:47pm

Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

The problem is however, if a studio release a butchered version of WKRP and it sells well, then that sends a message to the studio that sort of standard is now acceptable for other shows as well. Soon we will be seeing studios replacing the music right off the bat rather than even considering to preserve the original music because they think the customers don't care either way.
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post #141 of 650
1/3/07 at 6:19am

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Originally Posted by progrocktv
The problem is however, if a studio release a butchered version of WKRP and it sells well, then that sends a message to the studio that sort of standard is now acceptable for other shows as well. Soon we will be seeing studios replacing the music right off the bat rather than even considering to preserve the original music because they think the customers don't care either way.

That's rather alarmist and is unlikely for any number of reasons from the fact that music replacement itself costs money to bad publicity...

... but make no mistake. Most customers don't care either way. Never function under the delusion that the population of this forum or any other on the internet represents the actual feelings of the average consumer.
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post #142 of 650
1/3/07 at 7:38am

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I don't like 2-siders either, hate the damn things, but still it will never interfere with my buying decisions, if I really want something badly enough. And I definitely want WKRP bad, warts and all. We all bought plenty of MGM flippers in the past, right? Holding back on something, merely because it's 2-sided, means we're spoiled.
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post #143 of 650
1/3/07 at 1:04pm

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Why are they even using Double Sided discs? They put nine and even ten episodes of NewsRadio on one "normal" disc. And that's just the first example I can think of.
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post #144 of 650
1/3/07 at 2:25pm

Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

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Originally Posted by progrocktv
The problem is however, if a studio release a butchered version of WKRP and it sells well, then that sends a message to the studio that sort of standard is now acceptable for other shows as well. Soon we will be seeing studios replacing the music right off the bat rather than even considering to preserve the original music because they think the customers don't care either way.
This practice has been going on as long as they have been releasing TV series to DVD; Quantum Leap is a good example. Studios are taking a calculated risk that enough people will purchase their product at a more affordable price with replaced music.

I, too, don't like the fact that studios replace music, so I will have to make a decision as to whether I like a show well enough to purchase with replaced music. Unfortuneately, their aren't enough producers of shows like Freaks and Geeks that insisted on all the original music.
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post #145 of 650
1/3/07 at 4:16pm

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Originally Posted by Martin_C
Why are they even using Double Sided discs? They put nine and even ten episodes of NewsRadio on one "normal" disc. And that's just the first example I can think of.

That's too many. I don't think we've ever put more than 7 half-hour episodes on a DVD-9. And we often do 6.

I'd think 200+ minutes would really give you a pretty serious quality hit.
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post #146 of 650
1/3/07 at 4:19pm

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Originally Posted by Katherine_K
... but make no mistake. Most customers don't care either way. Never function under the delusion that the population of this forum or any other on the internet represents the actual feelings of the average consumer.

This is so true. It's sad, but it's 100% accurate.
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post #147 of 650
1/3/07 at 4:30pm

Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

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Originally Posted by progrocktv
The problem is however, if a studio release a butchered version of WKRP and it sells well, then that sends a message to the studio that sort of standard is now acceptable for other shows as well. Soon we will be seeing studios replacing the music right off the bat rather than even considering to preserve the original music because they think the customers don't care either way.


Oh, you mean like Stephen Cannell does with all of his shows?
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post #148 of 650
1/3/07 at 7:23pm

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Great news about being double-sided. If that leads folks to not buy this music replaced crap (even if it is for the wrong reason), then that's good.
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post #149 of 650
1/3/07 at 7:51pm

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Originally Posted by Martin_C
Why are they even using Double Sided discs? They put nine and even ten episodes of NewsRadio on one "normal" disc. And that's just the first example I can think of.

The DVD-10s apparently saves them money, so they use them. Sony released NewsRadio, not Fox, and they're known for overcompressing their discs (6 episodes of Dawson's Creek on one disc).

Gord
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post #150 of 650
1/3/07 at 7:58pm

Re: Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

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Originally Posted by george kaplan
Great news about being double-sided. If that leads folks to not buy this music replaced crap (even if it is for the wrong reason), then that's good.

Although it's MUCH more likely they would assume the interest in the series isn't that high and bail on it - instead of trying to release them again with totally cleared music.
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